Knicks · Latest knicks news from marc berman includes rumors of devin booker and draft rumors (page 2)
NardDogNation wrote:
How does all this not embolden my point? It is very well possible that Covid could be so devastating that it renders a middling player like Dario Saric the MVP. And if that level of variance exists, couldn't a blue chip talent like an Anthony Edwards or LaMelo Ball have a similarly outsized impact under the same conditions while under cost control? Wouldn't that be especially appealing for an owner under financial strains due to the economy?We all know the cap will be significantly lower ($100 million) due to the pandemic and fallout with China. Even though that's the case, the Suns still owe $85 million in gauranteed money to 10 players; Aaron Baynes and a capable backup PG excluded. That means they'd already be at the cap floor and would only have $10 million and a draft pick to retain Baynes and fill out the holes on their roster. That doesn't seem to be very encouraging especially given how talented the rest of the West is. So why continue on this path when the option to rebuild has never been more appealing?
I understand your point that Booker has value. That's why I want him, along with the fact that I think he fits with RJ Barrett. At the same time, I don't see other franchises with the will or assets to upstage an offer we can make. Aside for the Thunder and their treasure-trove of picks, what is really out there? Given the oil-market and how far into the luxury tax the Thunder are already slated to be, I doubt Bennett even gives the green light to absorb $30 million/yr in long-term money. This is, after all, the same dude unwilling to pay James Harden $4-$6 million more over the lifetime of his contract despite them being a title contender. I doubt he breaks the bank for Devin Booker as a 6th seed uncomfortably dependent on CP3's health. So who else is left?
You want the Suns to rebuild by trading a 23 year old All Star and future Olympian, who has scored at a pace in line with established HOF caliber players, who can shoot long range and can produce all over the floor well and has shown durability and no major character concerns, under which they have locked up recently with a five year extension?
So they can save money to resign Aron Baynes and ride hopes on unproven draftees?
Even if the Suns were willing to trade Booker and even if the Suns were willing to trade him to the Knicks ( neither of those things would happen), you expect RJ Barrett to NOT be a part of said trade?
TripleThreat wrote:NardDogNation wrote:
How does all this not embolden my point? It is very well possible that Covid could be so devastating that it renders a middling player like Dario Saric the MVP. And if that level of variance exists, couldn't a blue chip talent like an Anthony Edwards or LaMelo Ball have a similarly outsized impact under the same conditions while under cost control? Wouldn't that be especially appealing for an owner under financial strains due to the economy?We all know the cap will be significantly lower ($100 million) due to the pandemic and fallout with China. Even though that's the case, the Suns still owe $85 million in gauranteed money to 10 players; Aaron Baynes and a capable backup PG excluded. That means they'd already be at the cap floor and would only have $10 million and a draft pick to retain Baynes and fill out the holes on their roster. That doesn't seem to be very encouraging especially given how talented the rest of the West is. So why continue on this path when the option to rebuild has never been more appealing?
I understand your point that Booker has value. That's why I want him, along with the fact that I think he fits with RJ Barrett. At the same time, I don't see other franchises with the will or assets to upstage an offer we can make. Aside for the Thunder and their treasure-trove of picks, what is really out there? Given the oil-market and how far into the luxury tax the Thunder are already slated to be, I doubt Bennett even gives the green light to absorb $30 million/yr in long-term money. This is, after all, the same dude unwilling to pay James Harden $4-$6 million more over the lifetime of his contract despite them being a title contender. I doubt he breaks the bank for Devin Booker as a 6th seed uncomfortably dependent on CP3's health. So who else is left?
You want the Suns to rebuild by trading a 23 year old All Star and future Olympian, who has scored at a pace in line with established HOF caliber players, who can shoot long range and can produce all over the floor well and has shown durability and no major character concerns, under which they have locked up recently with a five year extension?
So they can save money to resign Aron Baynes and ride hopes on unproven draftees?
Even if the Suns were willing to trade Booker and even if the Suns were willing to trade him to the Knicks ( neither of those things would happen), you expect RJ Barrett to NOT be a part of said trade?
Where do you rank Booker among the gamechangers of the league? What tier of star is he now and what level of star do you see him settling as? Because I see him as being in his prime and still not good enough to get a reasonably talented team into the playoffs as an 8th seed; a spot currently occupied by a franchise led by a rookie and a 2nd yr player. Not to say that I don't like Booker. But at his best I see him as either the 3rd best player on a true contender, provided the talent pool is not diluted. What is an appropriate trade for Booker?
NardDogNation wrote:
Where do you rank Booker among the gamechangers of the league? What tier of star is he now and what level of star do you see him settling as? Because I see him as being in his prime and still not good enough to get a reasonably talented team into the playoffs as an 8th seed; a spot currently occupied by a franchise led by a rookie and a 2nd yr player. Not to say that I don't like Booker. But at his best I see him as either the 3rd best player on a true contender, provided the talent pool is not diluted. What is an appropriate trade for Booker?
Booker is a "market max" franchise player. Meaning a franchise can build it's marketing around him and he raises the value of the entire franchises valuation. This is not the same as a "contender" level franchise player, who can carry a team to a Finals on his own. But who can really do that? Prime LBJ. Curry. Prime Durant. Maybe guys reached the edge of that in Iverson or Prime Kidd. But it's not a crime to not be one of those handful of guys.
With career longevity, luck with injuries and a compiler, could Booker make the Hall Of Fame? Yes. Would it be easy? No. Is he on track now towards that direction ( i.e. putting himself in a position for luck to help him?)? Yes
It would cost any team the kind of asset haul that would gut them to the point where they could not build an actual team around Booker. His market max status assures even teams who can't contend would be interested.
The only advantage the Knicks have is they are in the East and the Suns, in theory, would prefer to trade anyone, ANYONE, on their roster out of the West if they had a choice. But that's standard in most trades.
That the Suns are a fringe team in the loaded Western Conference isn't the worst sin in the world.
You are asking a team to trade the Knicks a future Olympian ENTERING HIS PRIME after clearly proving himself and on a possible HOF track while being locked up long term for what reason?
There is no reason. You haven't come up with a practical reason besides money. And if it came to it, the Suns would try to dump Oubre first ( then Rubio) before trading Booker if money was an issue. Booker isn't even their best salary dump option.
During the offseason of The Decision and during the Grant Hill/Duncan/McGrady offseason , how did most teams do in free agency, because lots of teams were clearing space. What is the point of trading Booker to save money to overpay a guy in FA who is 1/2 (at best) of what Booker gives you production, marketing and long term value?