With Hayward's Celtics tenure not what they are expecting it to be. Now that Bryant is in the team, a person credited with developing Hayward with the Jazz, would you consider buying low on Wayward with the hopes he can resuscitate his career with the help of Bryant. Maybe the Celtics can give us a 1st rounder for getting Hayward off their books?
Jimbo5 wrote:With Hayward's Celtics tenure not what they are expecting it to be. Now that Bryant is in the team, a person credited with developing Hayward with the Jazz, would you consider buying low on Wayward with the hopes he can resuscitate his career with the help of Bryant. Maybe the Celtics can give us a 1st rounder for getting Hayward off their books?
I think Haywood can opt out. Salary wise might not be a good idea but longer term perhaps.
I’m still thinking the path is a trio fo stars: One Drafted, one traded for and one Free agent. I’d like to think RJ has the potential to be a 20 pt scorer.
Have to have some imagination. We did not bring in coaches to recruit first, but to bring a process/formula that produced the Mitchells and Haywoods.
I’ll take Haywood in a few years as a finishing piece to a team trying to contend. I Like his game a lot. Just not sure we want to to tie up cap on him so early in our build.
I agree with you Nalod regarding the assistants coaches regarding recruiting stars, i think we should all focus on the fact that these assistants have a track record of developing players into stars. The main focus should be for them to develop our existing youth to be stars, if with their presence it helps get the stars here, then thats just a bonus. If it doesn't happen, no biggy, hopefully they can develop our home grown superstars soon!
I think Hayward knows he is on his last leg and if he opts out, realistically he should not ask for a max deal. I think he got his money already with the Celtics his focus should shift now.
Jimbo5 wrote:I agree with you Nalod regarding the assistants coaches regarding recruiting stars, i think we should all focus on the fact that these assistants have a track record of developing players into stars. The main focus should be for them to develop our existing youth to be stars, if with their presence it helps get the stars here, then thats just a bonus. If it doesn't happen, no biggy, hopefully they can develop our home grown superstars soon!I think Hayward knows he is on his last leg and if he opts out, realistically he should not ask for a max deal. I think he got his money already with the Celtics his focus should shift now.
It’ll shift right after he earns the last year of that sweet sweet player option at $34M, otherwise his wife will cut his balls off
My issue with Hayward is the fact he keeps getting injured every time he's ready to go on a tear. And also he apparently looked great every practice last year but then struggled in the games (Celtics sources were saying his struggles were mental)- not sure Knicks is the best place to be for players who struggle with confidence.
smackeddog wrote:My issue with Hayward is the fact he keeps getting injured every time he's ready to go on a tear. And also he apparently looked great every practice last year but then struggled in the games (Celtics sources were saying his struggles were mental)- not sure Knicks is the best place to be for players who struggle with confidence.
I guess it depends on how low we'd be buying him. He' s 30 and injury prone.
I would definitely take a chance but without any asset coming out from our chest. Even if he has an injury rigged season, it's not catastrophic since he has only 1 year left. However, he would remove the focus on RJ and our other youngsters to make a few easy baskets and build confidence and improve.
i would pass. biggest reason is risk/reward. IF we could make a run and if it didn't work out we could cleanly part ways that would be one thing, but that's probably not the case.
given the injury history we could have a Joachim Noah situation where we're saddled with a bad contract on a guy who can't play
this is what i hate about the CBA. shit teams need to take risks but then you're punished if that doesn't work out
Gordon has a 1 year player option at $34M, and if Boston decides to trade it would be for a salary dump. Only so many places he could land - Atlanta being one of them.
You put him in a lineup at SF for a year and you have a spacer and focal point of offense for NY.
I'd assume assets would HAVE to come to the Knicks for this type of deal if NY was his landing spot. Boston got 14, 26, 30, 47 and they can't keep that many players on roster and a $140M salary structure for next year. I really have no idea what type of player they would target.
All those dev coaches gotta do something on the Knicks to earn their keep.
shinmen wrote:I would definitely take a chance but without any asset coming out from our chest. Even if he has an injury rigged season, it's not catastrophic since he has only 1 year left. However, he would remove the focus on RJ and our other youngsters to make a few easy baskets and build confidence and improve.
Chandler wrote:i would pass. biggest reason is risk/reward. IF we could make a run and if it didn't work out we could cleanly part ways that would be one thing, but that's probably not the case. given the injury history we could have a Joachim Noah situation where we're saddled with a bad contract on a guy who can't play
this is what i hate about the CBA. shit teams need to take risks but then you're punished if that doesn't work out
I would explore trading Randle for Hayward as they are both on one year deals. Not a bad trade for either team.
He’s a nice player but a little redundant on Boston. Maybe throw in a second round pick. Need to stabilize the lineup and give RJ some room.
Why???
A year or so ago it made sense to trade for him and some picks or worthwhile assets when he was nothing but a money sink.
Now, he's rehabilitated himself into a head case who has a bad habit of running himself onto the disabled list.
Unless Boston is taking Randle, DSJ, and Knox off our hands and sending back #26 and Wanamaker, forget it.
Let's check back in after he turns 32 and is 80% of himself... see Kiki, Rolando, Derek, McGrady, Penny, Steve Francis, etc...
Boston has Kemba and has to pay Jaylen and Tatum.
At the same time Haywood came to play with Brad Stevens his college coach. He took the one less year to go.
At the very least if trading Haywood give him the choice of where he lands and we need to give him some picture of the future. We want him for just one year? What’s the price of all this? He’ll eat a lot of cap next year which is ok, but the year after is the big one.
Randle is a good chip to trade but who plays PF? I know we shyt al over him but the guy can play and we should assume Thibs gets guys “In the right position”.
Haywood stepped on a players foot, it happens. It was his “bad ankle”. Good news is it did not break!
On the surface I like his talent and think he’d be good for the Knicks. But there is a chess game being played and the strategy is not known to us.
Nalod wrote:Boston has Kemba and has to pay Jaylen and Tatum.
At the same time Haywood came to play with Brad Stevens his college coach. He took the one less year to go.
At the very least if trading Haywood give him the choice of where he lands and we need to give him some picture of the future. We want him for just one year? What’s the price of all this? He’ll eat a lot of cap next year which is ok, but the year after is the big one.
Randle is a good chip to trade but who plays PF? I know we shyt al over him but the guy can play and we should assume Thibs gets guys “In the right position”.
Haywood stepped on a players foot, it happens. It was his “bad ankle”. Good news is it did not break!
On the surface I like his talent and think he’d be good for the Knicks. But there is a chess game being played and the strategy is not known to us.
Go the Briggs route and sign Christian Wood. If you trade Randle for Haywood and then sign Wood, you actually make things much easier for Barrett and even Mitch. You would obviously have to worry about health, which is never a good thing but it’s a half decent step in the right direction.
... and I would ONLY trade Randle for Haywood.
Allanfan20 wrote:Nalod wrote:Boston has Kemba and has to pay Jaylen and Tatum.
At the same time Haywood came to play with Brad Stevens his college coach. He took the one less year to go.
At the very least if trading Haywood give him the choice of where he lands and we need to give him some picture of the future. We want him for just one year? What’s the price of all this? He’ll eat a lot of cap next year which is ok, but the year after is the big one.
Randle is a good chip to trade but who plays PF? I know we shyt al over him but the guy can play and we should assume Thibs gets guys “In the right position”.
Haywood stepped on a players foot, it happens. It was his “bad ankle”. Good news is it did not break!
On the surface I like his talent and think he’d be good for the Knicks. But there is a chess game being played and the strategy is not known to us.
Go the Briggs route and sign Christian Wood. If you trade Randle for Haywood and then sign Wood, you actually make things much easier for Barrett and even Mitch. You would obviously have to worry about health, which is never a good thing but it’s a half decent step in the right direction.
If we are going to bring in another 4, i want it to be a true stretch 4. Bertans, Gallinari, Melo, or J Grant.
Knixkik wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:Nalod wrote:Boston has Kemba and has to pay Jaylen and Tatum.
At the same time Haywood came to play with Brad Stevens his college coach. He took the one less year to go.
At the very least if trading Haywood give him the choice of where he lands and we need to give him some picture of the future. We want him for just one year? What’s the price of all this? He’ll eat a lot of cap next year which is ok, but the year after is the big one.
Randle is a good chip to trade but who plays PF? I know we shyt al over him but the guy can play and we should assume Thibs gets guys “In the right position”.
Haywood stepped on a players foot, it happens. It was his “bad ankle”. Good news is it did not break!
On the surface I like his talent and think he’d be good for the Knicks. But there is a chess game being played and the strategy is not known to us.
Go the Briggs route and sign Christian Wood. If you trade Randle for Haywood and then sign Wood, you actually make things much easier for Barrett and even Mitch. You would obviously have to worry about health, which is never a good thing but it’s a half decent step in the right direction.
If we are going to bring in another 4, i want it to be a true stretch 4. Bertans, Gallinari, Melo, or J Grant.
Wood shot 39% from 3.
Knixkik wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:Nalod wrote:Boston has Kemba and has to pay Jaylen and Tatum.
At the same time Haywood came to play with Brad Stevens his college coach. He took the one less year to go.
At the very least if trading Haywood give him the choice of where he lands and we need to give him some picture of the future. We want him for just one year? What’s the price of all this? He’ll eat a lot of cap next year which is ok, but the year after is the big one.
Randle is a good chip to trade but who plays PF? I know we shyt al over him but the guy can play and we should assume Thibs gets guys “In the right position”.
Haywood stepped on a players foot, it happens. It was his “bad ankle”. Good news is it did not break!
On the surface I like his talent and think he’d be good for the Knicks. But there is a chess game being played and the strategy is not known to us.
Go the Briggs route and sign Christian Wood. If you trade Randle for Haywood and then sign Wood, you actually make things much easier for Barrett and even Mitch. You would obviously have to worry about health, which is never a good thing but it’s a half decent step in the right direction.
If we are going to bring in another 4, i want it to be a true stretch 4. Bertans, Gallinari, Melo, or J Grant.
Melo is better off in Portland no reason to be here at all. There he's a cog. Here he's an amusement.
I would add Dario Saric to that list with Gallo and Saric being priority.
jskinny35 wrote:Let's check back in after he turns 32 and is 80% of himself... see Kiki, Rolando, Derek, McGrady, Penny, Steve Francis, etc...
Haha yeah he’s still too talented and a little on the young side...
14 26 and Dennis Smith for Hayward.
Would give us 6 14 26 27
Trade out 37 for futures or a Euro hold
This is a sneaky good draft
Tgis would give us 4 cost controlled players for 4 years
Hayward is given a chance at 3-4 to do his thing than expires
Only offer I’d make
