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With these hires, we have added a wealth of basketball experience and knowledge that will be of great service to our players and our organization,” Thibodeau said in a statement. “All of our coaches have had a high level of success in college, the NBA or internationally. We are assembling a hard-working and well-rounded coaching staff that will embody everything we want to be about: accountability, development, teaching and a winning culture.”
All of the bases seem to be covered..DEFENSE, OFFENSE, DEVELOPMENT, ACCOUNTABILITY, TEACHING.
Now we just need to shape the roster as balance as the coaching staff
Seems like they got a lot of pieces that complimented each other and actually did what a big market team should do and bring the best of the best in. I would agree but obviously we need to see them in action. Probably the only question i have is who is the offensive mind of that bunch? We know Thibs and Woodson are defensive focused and i have no doubts about the defense. Bryant and Payne are elite player development guys. I just want to know who's the innovative offensive specialist of the bunch.
Knixkik wrote:Seems like they got a lot of pieces that complimented each other and actually did what a big market team should do and bring the best of the best in. I would agree but obviously we need to see them in action. Probably the only question i have is who is the offensive mind of that bunch? We know Thibs and Woodson are defensive focused and i have no doubts about the defense. Bryant and Payne are elite player development guys. I just want to know who's the innovative offensive specialist of the bunch.
That's a good question, but i figured with all those experience basketball minds it shouldn't be hard.
I'm very happy with KP, Bryant and Woody- don't know much about the rest, but it's only fair Thibs can bring in some of his guys. Would have liked one more creative, young offence guru, but you can't have everything!
Next up, I'm excited to see what they do with the development and performance staff- they seem to have cleared the deck, and there was talk of significantly expanding it (we didn't even have a shooting coach last year, such was the 'player development' con), but not a peep about it. Hope it's in place before the September practices start- only a few weeks to go
on paper it looks great but for reference see: Brown, Larry... we will see how it plays out
knicks1248 wrote:DO YOU AGREE?
1) Spolestra
2) Carlisle
3) Budenholzer
4) Popovich ( I think he's overrated to be honest )
5) D'Antoni
Nurse is still too new. Vogel has done a pretty good job with the non LBJ/AD players, considering LBJ pretty much fucks over all his coaches. Borrego is actually pretty interesting. Given his situation, I still think he's fucked, but given he's working with close to nothing, you can see the methodology behind what he's doing.
Thibs is probably 16-18 ish range.
But baby steps. The Knicks hired a guy actually trained and experienced for the job. For them, that's a win. You need little victories and the ability to count them when you are so far down the rabbit hole like the Knicks.
TripleThreat wrote:knicks1248 wrote:DO YOU AGREE?
1) Spolestra
2) Carlisle
3) Budenholzer
4) Popovich ( I think he's overrated to be honest )
5) D'Antoni
Nurse is still too new. Vogel has done a pretty good job with the non LBJ/AD players, considering LBJ pretty much fucks over all his coaches. Borrego is actually pretty interesting. Given his situation, I still think he's fucked, but given he's working with close to nothing, you can see the methodology behind what he's doing.
Thibs is probably 16-18 ish range.
But baby steps. The Knicks hired a guy actually trained and experienced for the job. For them, that's a win. You need little victories and the ability to count them when you are so far down the rabbit hole like the Knicks.
I'd put Brad Stevens over Bud. I think many people would put him over 
too, if Houston has another disappointing post-season.
one can say MDA fails because he never won a chip.
Or he over achieves with what he has and the playoffs are the great truth.
Hate on him you see hit half empty.
Carlisle got his chip and the rest puts him in Karl/Nellie turf.
Rainman got top 5 and we have not played a game?
We still need a roster. What will they do when Julius spins in traffic 3 times in a game and again the next game? Larry Brown was supposed to be an awesome defensive coach yet we sucked on defense when he was here.
We still need a roster... otherwise it’s Just offseason talk just as is Franks’ workout videos. We won’t know until the season starts in 12 years from now.
I think we are able to assemble a solid and well rounded coaching staff. I just wish when the knicks started on this latest rebuild/youth movement, the front office then should have poached a very good head for player development from a team that was able to contend with players they have drafted like from the Spurs(they pick in the late teens but was able to develop them well).
I hope its not too late but this front office should start looking at the assets we already have and get a pretty good player development staff as solid and well rounded as the coaching staff to drastically improve the play of our youth.
The coaching staff and development staff doesn't count against the salary cap. Can they identify And hire a specific development coach for each player(Frank, knox, DSJ, RJ,Mitch, Iggy, new rookies) so they have an official personal trainer to develop their skills. This might be their plan from the get go but i can not see the results until now. DSJ got Kieth Smart all summer last year to fix his shot and look how that turned out.
Key now is for them to fit together in their schemes. Not concerned with the offense as Thibs team rank well in offe se stats.
Missed this from Cle. I liked his hustle, but he was trash. The strip club shooting was also a setback, but I wasn't seeing it before that incident happened. Do you guys think our past coaching staffs failed him, Trey, Baker and THJ. You can make a case for THJ as he flourished in Atlanta. But I thought guys like KP, Trey, Mudiay, and Vonleh showed progress here.
The reality is some did better than others. We did not develop some, some did not develop either. Trey Burke was an NBA player, came here with no deal from 29 other teams and we let him rehab in the Gleague.
Timmy came, but got woke in ATL when they sent him down and he learned he had to work to make it. Young players also need to work in a culture which includes veterans to earn there respect.
It all adds up. Credit Phil for fist attempts to turn it around but for reasons known all too well he and subsequently the Princeton gang could not get it going. Fact is Mills/Robinson on paper had a plan. Maybe not enough time, assets, etc. I hope the momentum started with draft picks and drafting higher ceiling payers starts to pay off with the new guys.
Does it include Frank, Knox and DSjr? Logic says time might be a ticking away on Frank/Dennis but we’ll just have to see how our new guys value them and massage their cap holds.
BigDaddyG wrote:Missed this from Cle. I liked his hustle, but he was trash. The strip club shooting was also a setback, but I wasn't seeing it before that incident happened. Do you guys think our past coaching staffs failed him, Trey, Baker and THJ. You can make a case for THJ as he flourished in Atlanta. But I thought guys like KP, Trey, Mudiay, and Vonleh showed progress here.
One thing I never understood with him and the night club incident- how can you get shot in the knee but have it cause no structural damage?
smackeddog wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Missed this from Cle. I liked his hustle, but he was trash. The strip club shooting was also a setback, but I wasn't seeing it before that incident happened. Do you guys think our past coaching staffs failed him, Trey, Baker and THJ. You can make a case for THJ as he flourished in Atlanta. But I thought guys like KP, Trey, Mudiay, and Vonleh showed progress here.
One thing I never understood with him and the night club incident- how can you get shot in the knee but have it cause no structural damage?
I thought it was his thigh...?
Nalod wrote:one can say MDA fails because he never won a chip.
Or he over achieves with what he has and the playoffs are the great truth.
Hate on him you see hit half empty.
Carlisle got his chip and the rest puts him in Karl/Nellie turf. Rainman got top 5 and we have not played a game?
MDA never won a chip almost in the same way Ewing didn't; one ran into Jordan and the other Duncan. That hipcheck did them in
The Knicks have always had very good Front Office hires. We've had a who's who of coaches, GMs, and scouting. So this is just the laest rebuild and its an excellent group.
What is critical is that they do not misunderstand the maturity of this team. They need to avoid the StarPhuck pattern of signing a big name to a big, untradeable contract, who arrives and turns into a pumpkin.
They also need to ensure that they do not pretend this is yet another YEAR ONE because YEAR THREE will never arrive. This train has left the station. This is the Golden State Warriors *BEFORE* they started winning. Not YEAR ONE but somewhere at the end of YEAR TWO. There is a core that with some good coaching starting on day one and with a few key ingredients added can make the playoffs.
Not making the playoffs will doom this and any Front Office in NY - no exaggeration. This is a very expensive FO rebuild.
fwk00 wrote:The Knicks have always had very good Front Office hires. We've had a who's who of coaches, GMs, and scouting. So this is just the laest rebuild and its an excellent group.What is critical is that they do not misunderstand the maturity of this team. They need to avoid the StarPhuck pattern of signing a big name to a big, untradeable contract, who arrives and turns into a pumpkin.
They also need to ensure that they do not pretend this is yet another YEAR ONE because YEAR THREE will never arrive. This train has left the station. This is the Golden State Warriors *BEFORE* they started winning. Not YEAR ONE but somewhere at the end of YEAR TWO. There is a core that with some good coaching starting on day one and with a few key ingredients added can make the playoffs.
Not making the playoffs will doom this and any Front Office in NY - no exaggeration. This is a very expensive FO rebuild.
We’re not making the playoffs next year. We shouldn’t be the worst team in the league though
BigDaddyG wrote:TripleThreat wrote:knicks1248 wrote:DO YOU AGREE?
1) Spolestra
2) Carlisle
3) Budenholzer
4) Popovich ( I think he's overrated to be honest )
5) D'Antoni
Nurse is still too new. Vogel has done a pretty good job with the non LBJ/AD players, considering LBJ pretty much fucks over all his coaches. Borrego is actually pretty interesting. Given his situation, I still think he's fucked, but given he's working with close to nothing, you can see the methodology behind what he's doing.
Thibs is probably 16-18 ish range.
But baby steps. The Knicks hired a guy actually trained and experienced for the job. For them, that's a win. You need little victories and the ability to count them when you are so far down the rabbit hole like the Knicks.
I'd put Brad Stevens over Bud. I think many people would put him over too, if Houston has another disappointing post-season.
Jotting down names puts things in perspective. Stevens for sure is up there, I would add Nurse even though young. I also think Malone is very underrated. then you have Kerr (who either is pretty damn good, or Mark Jackson was as horrible as i thought, or both).
I can see Thibs being top 10 if he does something with us reasonably similar to what he did with Wolves. (I can also see Larry Brown -- though obviously wish that is not the case)
Key will be if FO and CS are reasonably in synch
Consider the Bulls, Rose had no outside shot, Noah no shot period, Butler (anyone could have had him). Taj Gibson (would he even have been in the league this long). Our recent Knicks coaches would have found a way to screw that situation up.
Hoping that Thibs can extract the best from our guys and go from there. Panglossian view: Frank becomes a stopper at the point, and scores points when people don't pay enough attention. KK spreads the floor as a 4. RJ turns into a bully at 2 and takes 10FT a game hitting 75%. Mitch makes up from KK's mistakes on D. Maybe we get lucky and get DSK from Dallas where there were times that the game seemed so easy for him. then if we get a decent 3, either someone who can shoot, or is hyper competitive on D, it would at least be a decent product
Wolves had far better talent on paper, but it looks like impressions were true: too cool for school, occasional effort on D and loose balls. If nothing else i think we will do better from that standpoint
