Knicks · Knicks really need to seriously consider Aaron Nesmith (page 1)
BRIGGS wrote:Drafting Nesmith today is like drafting Allan Houston. Same school same size same game. But Allan Houston in 2020 is an all star franchise shooter— perfect fit w BarrettSame conference, not same school. Houston attended Tennessee.
BRIGGS wrote:Drafting Nesmith today is like drafting Allan Houston. Same school same size same game. But Allan Houston in 2020 is an all star franchise shooter— perfect fit w Barrett
+1. I see so much Houston in his game. He complements the hell out of RJ, mitch and Frank
jskinny35 wrote:Haven't seen enough to weigh in on Nesmith but if he's really a guy that will definitely contribute... what could we package with our #27 pick to move up and gain a pick around 15 or so? Knox seems to have negative value to us/most, but could Dennis Smith Jr (or Knox), #27, #38 and a future 2nd rounder land us a pick around 15. Seem to recall Orlando having some interest in DSJr? Maybe a vet team like Boston or Portland would take a chance on one of our reclamation projects? If possible, I think we should focus on 1-2 guys as we have a lot of young players already - as opposed to hoping lightening strikes 2x where we land a Mitchell Robinson in the 2nd round again.
Our man Walt Perrin is seeing similar values from 20 to 45. Better to use our Knick asset (dollars) to pick up another pick mid round or move up for our desired player.
With a near 7 foot wingspan he’ll be more than a very decent defender and finally we’ll have one of the better 3 point shooters in the nba
Don’t discount look at the best teams — look at golden state
This guy makes Barrett and Robinson better
BRIGGS wrote:This guy would be our Kris Middleton. It would bring tremendous value and chemistry to the team
With a near 7 foot wingspan he’ll be more than a very decent defender and finally we’ll have one of the better 3 point shooters in the nbaDon’t discount look at the best teams — look at golden state
This guy makes Barrett and Robinson better
Why is he 13 highest on most mock draft boards? I love his skill-set too and I want the Knicks to draft him but you’d think people would have him going much higher.
Allanfan20 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:This guy would be our Kris Middleton. It would bring tremendous value and chemistry to the team
With a near 7 foot wingspan he’ll be more than a very decent defender and finally we’ll have one of the better 3 point shooters in the nbaDon’t discount look at the best teams — look at golden state
This guy makes Barrett and Robinson betterWhy is he 13 highest on most mock draft boards? I love his skill-set too and I want the Knicks to draft him but you’d think people would have him going much higher.
These shooter types never go up high in the draft
Look at Middleton and Redd. 2 Nd rounders
Klay Thompson Allan Houston. Late lottery
But they have higher values
Don’t buy into reaching.
Aaron Nesmith
Stats GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
2019-20 14 35.8 51.2 52.2 82.5 4.9 0.9 0.9 1.4 2.8 1.7 23.0
2018-19 32 29.0 39.2 33.7 82.5 5.5 1.4 0.6 0.7 3.1 1.6 11.0Devin Vassell
Stats GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
2019-20 30 28.8 49.0 41.5 73.8 5.1 1.6 1.0 1.4 1.9 0.8 12.7
2018-19 33 10.7 43.7 41.9 67.9 1.5 0.6 0.3 0.5 0.9 0.4 4.5
TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:With a near 7 foot wingspan he’ll be more than a very decent defender
Footwork looks broken. (You have to project against his comfort zone against non NBA grade talent) Zero recovery speed. Plays smaller than his length. Will have problems switching at the pro level. Ineffective with close contact, doesn't understand fundamentals of leverage. Can't operate above the rim.Average motor. Lacks killer instinct.
Plays WITHIN his limitations offensively, which is good. Plays TO his limitations defensively, which is concerning.
A lot to like, but his ceiling defensively is replacement level. Klay Thompson naturally has/had better situational awareness, footwork and understood how to take angles. I don't see how the comparisons mesh at all. Maybe they both really like Chinese food.
I'm pretty hardline on footwork. I also have a huge schlong and am a passionate dancer. I don't like Chinese food but Asians make really good neighbors as long as they aren't those Pinoys who love to karaoke and take up all the street parking. AN's footwork is kind of fucked. Well to my view of what's needed. I don't know if it can really be fixed.
Triple the guy can shoot the lights out and he works the floor hard to find those shots. That skill alone at 6-6 225 w long arms. He doesn’t remind you of Allan Houston?
Triple what’s your take on Markus Howard at 37. I wouldn’t go above that— I might not go at all— but I’m thinking Markus Howard in limited Lou Williams type role off bench— like his first year at Marquette where his efg is off the charts. Double minus defender but I’m looking for a scoring punch off the bench— he’s a little small for me but he’s also a top 3 shooter in the class
BRIGGS wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:With a near 7 foot wingspan he’ll be more than a very decent defender
Footwork looks broken. (You have to project against his comfort zone against non NBA grade talent) Zero recovery speed. Plays smaller than his length. Will have problems switching at the pro level. Ineffective with close contact, doesn't understand fundamentals of leverage. Can't operate above the rim.Average motor. Lacks killer instinct.
Plays WITHIN his limitations offensively, which is good. Plays TO his limitations defensively, which is concerning.
A lot to like, but his ceiling defensively is replacement level. Klay Thompson naturally has/had better situational awareness, footwork and understood how to take angles. I don't see how the comparisons mesh at all. Maybe they both really like Chinese food.
I'm pretty hardline on footwork. I also have a huge schlong and am a passionate dancer. I don't like Chinese food but Asians make really good neighbors as long as they aren't those Pinoys who love to karaoke and take up all the street parking. AN's footwork is kind of fucked. Well to my view of what's needed. I don't know if it can really be fixed.
Triple the guy can shoot the lights out and he works the floor hard to find those shots. That skill alone at 6-6 225 w long arms. He doesn’t remind you of Allan Houston?
Triple what’s your take on Markus Howard at 37. I wouldn’t go above that— I might not go at all— but I’m thinking Markus Howard in limited Lou Williams type role off bench— like his first year at Marquette where his efg is off the charts. Double minus defender but I’m looking for a scoring punch off the bench— he’s a little small for me but he’s also a top 3 shooter in the class
We thought Morris Almond was Allan Houston too.
His limited games makes him lower vs. Other prospects, this can be a benefit to us
unstopaball12 wrote:His defense looks fixable, he has the tools and willingness.His limited games makes him lower vs. Other prospects, this can be a benefit to us
Tools and willingness half the battle, other half is recognition.
With Vassell you just see the recognition
Allanfan20 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:With a near 7 foot wingspan he’ll be more than a very decent defender
Footwork looks broken. (You have to project against his comfort zone against non NBA grade talent) Zero recovery speed. Plays smaller than his length. Will have problems switching at the pro level. Ineffective with close contact, doesn't understand fundamentals of leverage. Can't operate above the rim.Average motor. Lacks killer instinct.
Plays WITHIN his limitations offensively, which is good. Plays TO his limitations defensively, which is concerning.
A lot to like, but his ceiling defensively is replacement level. Klay Thompson naturally has/had better situational awareness, footwork and understood how to take angles. I don't see how the comparisons mesh at all. Maybe they both really like Chinese food.
I'm pretty hardline on footwork. I also have a huge schlong and am a passionate dancer. I don't like Chinese food but Asians make really good neighbors as long as they aren't those Pinoys who love to karaoke and take up all the street parking. AN's footwork is kind of fucked. Well to my view of what's needed. I don't know if it can really be fixed.
Triple the guy can shoot the lights out and he works the floor hard to find those shots. That skill alone at 6-6 225 w long arms. He doesn’t remind you of Allan Houston?
Triple what’s your take on Markus Howard at 37. I wouldn’t go above that— I might not go at all— but I’m thinking Markus Howard in limited Lou Williams type role off bench— like his first year at Marquette where his efg is off the charts. Double minus defender but I’m looking for a scoring punch off the bench— he’s a little small for me but he’s also a top 3 shooter in the class
We thought Morris Almond was Allan Houston too.
Ahhh, thanks. I knew Nesmith reminded me a bit of someone, and it wasn't Houston hahahah I'm not saying Nesmith is as bad as Almond, but Briggs gave Almond all the same comparisons. I see a Martell Webster type in Nesmith. Maybe a Joe Harris type. Maybe, if everything goes right in his career, a 60 cents to the dollar Buddy Hield. I just don't see the shot creation needed from Nesmith to be an all-star. Does that mean I wouldn't take him 8? This draft is weird and I can't rule out the possibility of that happening.
BigDaddyG wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:With a near 7 foot wingspan he’ll be more than a very decent defender
Footwork looks broken. (You have to project against his comfort zone against non NBA grade talent) Zero recovery speed. Plays smaller than his length. Will have problems switching at the pro level. Ineffective with close contact, doesn't understand fundamentals of leverage. Can't operate above the rim.Average motor. Lacks killer instinct.
Plays WITHIN his limitations offensively, which is good. Plays TO his limitations defensively, which is concerning.
A lot to like, but his ceiling defensively is replacement level. Klay Thompson naturally has/had better situational awareness, footwork and understood how to take angles. I don't see how the comparisons mesh at all. Maybe they both really like Chinese food.
I'm pretty hardline on footwork. I also have a huge schlong and am a passionate dancer. I don't like Chinese food but Asians make really good neighbors as long as they aren't those Pinoys who love to karaoke and take up all the street parking. AN's footwork is kind of fucked. Well to my view of what's needed. I don't know if it can really be fixed.
Triple the guy can shoot the lights out and he works the floor hard to find those shots. That skill alone at 6-6 225 w long arms. He doesn’t remind you of Allan Houston?
Triple what’s your take on Markus Howard at 37. I wouldn’t go above that— I might not go at all— but I’m thinking Markus Howard in limited Lou Williams type role off bench— like his first year at Marquette where his efg is off the charts. Double minus defender but I’m looking for a scoring punch off the bench— he’s a little small for me but he’s also a top 3 shooter in the class
We thought Morris Almond was Allan Houston too.
Ahhh, thanks. I knew Nesmith reminded me a bit of someone, and it wasn't Houston hahahah I'm not saying Nesmith is as bad as Almond, but Briggs gave Almond all the same comparisons. I see a Martell Webster type in Nesmith. Maybe a Joe Harris type. Maybe, if everything goes right in his career, a 60 cents to the dollar Buddy Hield. I just don't see the shot creation needed from Nesmith to be an all-star. Does that mean I wouldn't take him 8? This draft is weird and I can't rule out the possibility of that happening.
I’m not even slighting Nesmith. I like him and I like his potential. I’ve mostly seen 3 point shooting though. Houston was a very good 3 point shooter but he was more of a mid range player, which seems to be frowned upon in this day and age. At bare minumum, Nesmith is going to have to prove that he can move without the ball and take it to the hoop against NBA competition.
BRIGGS wrote:Drafting Nesmith today is like drafting Allan Houston. Same school same size same game. But Allan Houston in 2020 is an all star franchise shooter— perfect fit w Barrett
Allan Houston did not play for the same school. Allan Houston played 4 YEARS vs Nesmith's 1 YEAR and 14 games. Houston shot over 40% from 3pt range all FOUR YEARS vs Nesmith only once out of 2 years in a 14 game shortened season. Hell, every good shooter in the top 60 has a chance to be Allan Houston. With probably more historical stats that would back that notion. Hope Nesmith is as good as you make him out to be. But would hate to think that our new front office would chose to make their first draft selection one that has only a 14 games of due diligence
BRIGGS wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:This guy would be our Kris Middleton. It would bring tremendous value and chemistry to the team
With a near 7 foot wingspan he’ll be more than a very decent defender and finally we’ll have one of the better 3 point shooters in the nbaDon’t discount look at the best teams — look at golden state
This guy makes Barrett and Robinson betterWhy is he 13 highest on most mock draft boards? I love his skill-set too and I want the Knicks to draft him but you’d think people would have him going much higher.
These shooter types never go up high in the draft
Look at Middleton and Redd. 2 Nd rounders
Klay Thompson Allan Houston. Late lottery
But they have higher values
Don’t buy into reaching.
Briggs, your talking about guys that proved to be great picks. In retrospect. Something that can be used to argue any players value in any draft. That just strengthens the idea that it's all just guessing. Reason why I feel the top draft picks should be able to show long lineage of success at every level and more than just one year or half of a year of success. So do most others, which may be the reason Nesmith is just not ranked as high as other picks.
Why do you think Nesmith can be that much of a better shooter than others such as S. Bey, Bane, Terry, Pritchord, Joe, Merrill? Some that can be had with the 27 pick, If anything, Bey and Vassell have shown a better history of being a top level draft pick. And they have competed against tougher competition. I know your going to say he shot 52%. But I am going to respond by saying once again that it was just 14 games against weaker competition as well as mentioning he shot just 33% from three the previous year.
HofstraBBall wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:This guy would be our Kris Middleton. It would bring tremendous value and chemistry to the team
With a near 7 foot wingspan he’ll be more than a very decent defender and finally we’ll have one of the better 3 point shooters in the nbaDon’t discount look at the best teams — look at golden state
This guy makes Barrett and Robinson betterWhy is he 13 highest on most mock draft boards? I love his skill-set too and I want the Knicks to draft him but you’d think people would have him going much higher.
These shooter types never go up high in the draft
Look at Middleton and Redd. 2 Nd rounders
Klay Thompson Allan Houston. Late lottery
But they have higher values
Don’t buy into reaching.Briggs, your talking about guys that proved to be great picks. In retrospect. Something that can be used to argue any players value in any draft. That just strengthens the idea that it's all just guessing. Reason why I feel the top draft picks should be able to show long lineage of success at every level and more than just one year or half of a year of success. So do most others, which may be the reason Nesmith is just not ranked as high as other picks.
Why do you think Nesmith can be that much of a better shooter than others such as S. Bey, Bane, Terry, Pritchord, Joe, Merrill? Some that can be had with the 27 pick, If anything, Bey and Vassell have shown a better history of being a top level draft pick. And they have competed against tougher competition. I know your going to say he shot 52%. But I am going to respond by saying once again that it was just 14 games against weaker competition as well as mentioning he shot just 33% from three the previous year.
The fact he shot 33% percent in his first year makes me believe his stroke is comparable to Vassel.
I believe they will shoot roughly the same percentage from 3. Vassels defense is better.
I’m interested in an official length and height measurement without shoes. They are both probably 6-5
BRIGGS wrote:Drafting Nesmith today is like drafting Allan Houston. Same school same size same game. But Allan Houston in 2020 is an all star franchise shooter— perfect fit w Barrett
If Allan Houston played in today’s nba he would be a superstar