Knicks · Let's Discuss this Chris Paul Thing (page 7)
Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.
My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.
foosballnick wrote:Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.
So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.
Genius.
fwk00 wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.
So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.
Genius.
For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.
fwk00 wrote:Chandler wrote:
If i were in charge and hell bent on getting a pg, and willing to give an asset, why not Shroeder or Reggie Jackson who at least superficially seem more aligned with Thibs style of playI would be open to CP3 but we should be getting assets, not giving them for it to make sense to us. I can imagine other teams with hopes of title contention seeing things differently but of course their situation is different and CP3's value to them can be different
I was thinking that a move for Reggie Jackson might be a perfect fit.
Remember Alanta gave up a 1st pick and Shroeder for Melo who they really had no interest in keeping..
I just believe Leon will negotiate better deals than we have seen in the past
fwk00 wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.
So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.
Genius.
Was talking with a fellow Knick fan and commented on how bad of a fit this would be for the Knicks. Considering there are several better options. If we want an experienced PG who is still putting up good number how bout Goran Dragic? UFA so would not cost any assets and can probably be had for half of CP3's contract. But again, as you mentioned, unless Rose is bringing over another 2 elite player, why would we do that? Another alternative, if Rose is inclined to do a trade involving assets, why not for some young star? ie. Devin Booker or the likes? At least we would be adding someone that may fit a timeline for our draft picks to develop or the time needed to add talent to the roster. It just makes no sense for CP3. Feel the only players worth giving up assets and crippling CAP space by 40+ million for would be guys like Harden, Kawhi, LBJ, AD or Giannis. This would be a joke and the straw that pushed long time fans elsewhere. Well maybe. Hope and truly feel Rose is smarter than that and think he realizes he is no longer representing CPS but the NY Knicks.
Chandler wrote:
If i were in charge and hell bent on getting a pg, and willing to give an asset, why not Shroeder or Reggie Jackson who at least superficially seem more aligned with Thibs style of playI would be open to CP3 but we should be getting assets, not giving them for it to make sense to us. I can imagine other teams with hopes of title contention seeing things differently but of course their situation is different and CP3's value to them can be different
Not to mention Jackson is a free agent and will not cost anywhere near CP3 money or any assets.
Although feel Jackson is at the same level as Payton minus the terrible 3pt shot percentage. But definitely agree with you and think that would be a better alternative. Really think that Thibs feels he has potential in one of the three PG's that we have. With Smith he can have the Rose type player he had in Chicago. With Frank he has the defensive stopper. With Payton he has a solid experienced player that can facilitate an offense.
fitzfarm wrote:fwk00 wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.
So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.
Genius.
For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.
Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?
I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return
HofstraBBall wrote:fwk00 wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.
So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.
Genius.
Was talking with a fellow Knick fan and commented on how bad of a fit this would be for the Knicks. Considering there are several better options. If we want an experienced PG who is still putting up good number how bout Goran Dragic? UFA so would not cost any assets and can probably be had for half of CP3's contract. But again, as you mentioned, unless Rose is bringing over another 2 elite player, why would we do that? Another alternative, if Rose is inclined to do a trade involving assets, why not for some young star? ie. Devin Booker or the likes? At least we would be adding someone that may fit a timeline for our draft picks to develop or the time needed to add talent to the roster. It just makes no sense for CP3. Feel the only players worth giving up assets and crippling CAP space by 40+ million for would be guys like Harden, Kawhi, LBJ, AD or Giannis. This would be a joke and the straw that pushed long time fans elsewhere. Well maybe. Hope and truly feel Rose is smarter than that and think he realizes he is no longer representing CPS but the NY Knicks.
I couldn't agree more; Kahwi, Harden, a few others all have actually WON something.
Chris Paul is an insurance agent.
Look I won't miss Randle, Knox, or a nameless second-rounder but we're assuming an unmovable contract AND in doing so locking up all cap space for years.
Why not Dragic, Reggie Jackson, who_not? They don't handcuff the team.
Geezus. I am at the end of my rope with this team. So sick of making the same F'n mistake over and over and over.
martin wrote:fitzfarm wrote:fwk00 wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.
So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.
Genius.
For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.
Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?
I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return
Cap space (see: Porky)
HofstraBBall wrote:Chandler wrote:
If i were in charge and hell bent on getting a pg, and willing to give an asset, why not Shroeder or Reggie Jackson who at least superficially seem more aligned with Thibs style of playI would be open to CP3 but we should be getting assets, not giving them for it to make sense to us. I can imagine other teams with hopes of title contention seeing things differently but of course their situation is different and CP3's value to them can be different
Not to mention Jackson is a free agent and will not cost anywhere near CP3 money or any assets.
Although feel Jackson is at the same level as Payton minus the terrible 3pt shot percentage. But definitely agree with you and think that would be a better alternative. Really think that Thibs feels he has potential in one of the three PG's that we have. With Smith he can have the Rose type player he had in Chicago. With Frank he has the defensive stopper. With Payton he has a solid experienced player that can facilitate an offense.
I think Reggie or Shroeder would help. Both attack the paint and play with some swagger. Reggie is a former BC guy which carries some clout with me that he's not a dummy. It would come down to price. I've had enough of Payton and his inconsistency and the way he tries to form some clique with Randle. I hope and think Thibs is going to give DSJ a shot to do what DSJ does best, but i also don't think he's going to undermine team growth for it either: DSJ will need to capitalize on the opportunity or start brushing up on his Chinese
would also like to seem some deal along the lines of randle for hield or another 3 point shooter. We also need to target guys who hit in the clutch -- that tells me a lot about competitiveness and mental fortitude
Dennis is younger 27 versus 30, but Reggie has a 7'wingspan which can come in handy
fwk00 wrote:martin wrote:fitzfarm wrote:fwk00 wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.
So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.
Genius.
For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.
Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?
I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return
Cap space (see: Porky)
Cap space for a 35 yo PG entering his 15th season and making $42mil is a good deal. I just looked up the stats for Nash, Kidd and Billups. About age 35 is when the declines start showing. This would be a gamble from our point of view.
fwk00 wrote:martin wrote:fitzfarm wrote:fwk00 wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.
So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.
Genius.
For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.
Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?
I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return
Cap space (see: Porky)
Cap space yes, but they also received 2 first round picks for taking Chris Paul in the first place. So either way they come out winners.
fitzfarm wrote:fwk00 wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.
So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.
Genius.
For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.
Randle is a black hole on offense who can’t shoot from 3, Knox can’t shoot either and plays defense like a sink is tied to his ankles
If that and a late round pick us all OKC wants please by all means
Allanfan20 wrote:It doesn’t seem like it now because most of us (myself included) get super annoyed by Randle but trading him and another asset for Paul has the potential to be one of the worst trades in Knicks history. Randle can turn into a monster all-star tomorrow if he opens up his eyes for good.
I don’t hate Randle but take it easy. He can’t shoot from outside. He’s a good post up player but those are like running backs in today’s nfl
If your starting PF can’t shoot from 3 you don’t win in today’s nba
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Knixkik wrote:fwk00 wrote:martin wrote:fitzfarm wrote:fwk00 wrote:foosballnick wrote:Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.
So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.
Genius.
For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.
Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?
I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return
Cap space (see: Porky)
Cap space yes, but they also received 2 first round picks for taking Chris Paul in the first place. So either way they come out winners.
They received 2st rnd picks. He played great this year but is one year older and with absolutely no insurance he can replicate this year. That's why they can attach only 1st rnd pick and take back a not so bad contract like Randle in return for us taking him off their cap.
I'm not a fan at all of trading for Paul but I can see the logic (despite being risky). However I would be horrified if the Knicks had to give instead of receiving an asset for him. Rose should be fired and sued for intent of sabotaging the team if that happened.