Knicks · Let's Discuss this Chris Paul Thing (page 8)

Knixkik wrote:

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Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.

My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.

So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.

Genius.

For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.

Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?

I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return

Cap space (see: Porky)

Cap space yes, but they also received 2 first round picks for taking Chris Paul in the first place. So either way they come out winners.

They received 2st rnd picks. He played great this year but is one year older and with absolutely no insurance he can replicate this year. That's why they can attach only 1st rnd pick and take back a not so bad contract like Randle in return for us taking him off their cap.
I'm not a fan at all of trading for Paul but I can see the logic (despite being risky). However I would be horrified if the Knicks had to give instead of receiving an asset for him. Rose should be fired and sued for intent of sabotaging the team if that happened.

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Knixkik wrote:

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Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.

My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.

So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.

Genius.

For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.

Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?

I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return

Cap space (see: Porky)

Cap space yes, but they also received 2 first round picks for taking Chris Paul in the first place. So either way they come out winners.

They received 2st rnd picks. He played great this year but is one year older and with absolutely no insurance he can replicate this year. That's why they can attach only 1st rnd pick and take back a not so bad contract like Randle in return for us taking him off their cap.
I'm not a fan at all of trading for Paul but I can see the logic (despite being risky). However I would be horrified if the Knicks had to give instead of receiving an asset for him. Rose should be fired and sued for intent of sabotaging the team if that happened.

However, if getting Paul keeps us from a Westbrook fiasco, then sign me up. Anything but Westbrook, that would be a team killing move.

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Knixkik wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

martin wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.

My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.

So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.

Genius.

For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.

Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?

I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return

Cap space (see: Porky)

Cap space yes, but they also received 2 first round picks for taking Chris Paul in the first place. So either way they come out winners.

They received 2st rnd picks. He played great this year but is one year older and with absolutely no insurance he can replicate this year. That's why they can attach only 1st rnd pick and take back a not so bad contract like Randle in return for us taking him off their cap.
I'm not a fan at all of trading for Paul but I can see the logic (despite being risky). However I would be horrified if the Knicks had to give instead of receiving an asset for him. Rose should be fired and sued for intent of sabotaging the team if that happened.

However, if getting Paul keeps us from a Westbrook fiasco, then sign me up. Anything but Westbrook, that would be a team killing move.

The media covering the Knicks had close to nothing to stir up for quite a few months now. Even then, I stil don't see a lot of articles about a trade of Westbrook to the Knicks. Even Dolan would veto a trade like that.
There are a lot more articles about C Paul however. I hope it's only noise to fill the writers quota of article per month.

Stay the course, grab Vessel, put him out there with Frank Dotson Mitch and develop a defensive core. We should have traded for Paul last year, but didn’t, now is not the time to tie or $44MM on a 35 year old guard with the best free agent class approaching in a very long time.

There will be player movement, so let’s allow Tibs to work with Smith, Knox, Frank, allow Woody and the staff to build some value for these guys, then make the move.

Dump Randle, at all costs, but to give up on Knox and give up a pick is old Knicks. Smart moves are out there.

MS wrote:Honestly, one more year in the lottery isn’t going to kill this team. One more asset to move when we finally can put together a trade.

Stay the course, grab Vessel, put him out there with Frank Dotson Mitch and develop a defensive core. We should have traded for Paul last year, but didn’t, now is not the time to tie or $44MM on a 35 year old guard with the best free agent class approaching in a very long time.

There will be player movement, so let’s allow Tibs to work with Smith, Knox, Frank, allow Woody and the staff to build some value for these guys, then make the move.

Dump Randle, at all costs, but to give up on Knox and give up a pick is old Knicks. Smart moves are out there.

I agree. Trade Randle for whatever we can get and stick with our youth for one more season. We might want to sign a guy like Grant, but beyond that just draft Vessel or Nesmith and roll with what we have. I like our young guys and I think they can be successful with better coaching and another year of development. Towards the end of the year, we were starting to look like a .500 team.

MS wrote:Honestly, one more year in the lottery isn’t going to kill this team. One more asset to move when we finally can put together a trade.

Stay the course, grab Vessel, put him out there with Frank Dotson Mitch and develop a defensive core. We should have traded for Paul last year, but didn’t, now is not the time to tie or $44MM on a 35 year old guard with the best free agent class approaching in a very long time.

There will be player movement, so let’s allow Tibs to work with Smith, Knox, Frank, allow Woody and the staff to build some value for these guys, then make the move.

Dump Randle, at all costs, but to give up on Knox and give up a pick is old Knicks. Smart moves are out there.

Trading for Paul helps the youth movement. Playing in the nba is all about confidence. Best thing you can do for RJ, Mitch, Frank, whatever Wing we get at 8 is pairing them with a great distributor pg like Paul

jskinny35 wrote:Not thrilled to hear this, but not surprised. If we are going this route - my only deal breaker is not giving away Frank. I'll help Knox or DSJr pack - but please no Frank. Randle I would pay his moving costs! Randle, Knox and 2nd rounder would not be terrible for 2 years of an established PG to help shift the culture (see Jason Kidd). Knox hasn't show much and does not seem like a high IQ player we will regret even if he improves. Randle has shown everything and he needs to go. Would we still have money for a Christian Wood or Gallinari type signing?

It sounds like OKC prefers DSJ in a package. If that’s true please by all means

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

martin wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.

My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.

So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.

Genius.

For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.

Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?

I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return

Cap space (see: Porky)

Cap space for a 35 yo PG entering his 15th season and making $42mil is a good deal. I just looked up the stats for Nash, Kidd and Billups. About age 35 is when the declines start showing. This would be a gamble from our point of view.

Jason Kidd in his last season at 38 years old was a big reason the Knicks won 54 games and made our last actual playoff run

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

martin wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.

My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.

So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.

Genius.

For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.

Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?

I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return

Cap space (see: Porky)

Cap space for a 35 yo PG entering his 15th season and making $42mil is a good deal. I just looked up the stats for Nash, Kidd and Billups. About age 35 is when the declines start showing. This would be a gamble from our point of view.

Jason Kidd in his last season at 38 years old was a big reason the Knicks won 54 games and made our last actual playoff run

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

martin wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.

My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.

So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.

Genius.

For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.

Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?

I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return

Cap space (see: Porky)

Cap space for a 35 yo PG entering his 15th season and making $42mil is a good deal. I just looked up the stats for Nash, Kidd and Billups. About age 35 is when the declines start showing. This would be a gamble from our point of view.

Jason Kidd in his last season at 38 years old was a big reason the Knicks won 54 games and made our last actual playoff run

Yeah, but Kidd came in to fill a smaller role and had a smaller salary cap hit on a team that was far more talented. Also, Kidd seemed to always be injured during that run.

Kidd’s leadership cannot be understated that season. Losing him we went from 54 to 37 wins with the same roster

Yes Paul would be the starting PG here playing more minutes than Kidd who was really a 2 that year. That said next season will be 50 games tops so that will help keep Paul on the floor at his best condition

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Hope this means we can take out any young guys or picks from our offer (apart from DSJ)

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

martin wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.

My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.

So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.

Genius.

For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.

Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?

I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return

Cap space (see: Porky)

Cap space for a 35 yo PG entering his 15th season and making $42mil is a good deal. I just looked up the stats for Nash, Kidd and Billups. About age 35 is when the declines start showing. This would be a gamble from our point of view.

Jason Kidd in his last season at 38 years old was a big reason the Knicks won 54 games and made our last actual playoff run

Yeah, but Kidd came in to fill a smaller role and had a smaller salary cap hit on a team that was far more talented. Also, Kidd seemed to always be injured during that run.

Kidd’s leadership cannot be understated that season. Losing him we went from 54 to 37 wins with the same roster

Yes Paul would be the starting PG here playing more minutes than Kidd who was really a 2 that year. That said next season will be 50 games tops so that will help keep Paul on the floor at his best condition

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Hope this means we can take out any young guys or picks from our offer (apart from DSJ)

Good

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Hope this means we can take out any young guys or picks from our offer (apart from DSJ)

I dunno...I wonder what they meant by 'the cost if bringing him aboard'.

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

martin wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.

My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.

So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.

Genius.

For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.

Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?

I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return

Cap space (see: Porky)

Cap space for a 35 yo PG entering his 15th season and making $42mil is a good deal. I just looked up the stats for Nash, Kidd and Billups. About age 35 is when the declines start showing. This would be a gamble from our point of view.

Jason Kidd in his last season at 38 years old was a big reason the Knicks won 54 games and made our last actual playoff run

Yeah, but Kidd came in to fill a smaller role and had a smaller salary cap hit on a team that was far more talented. Also, Kidd seemed to always be injured during that run.

Kidd’s leadership cannot be understated that season. Losing him we went from 54 to 37 wins with the same roster

Yes Paul would be the starting PG here playing more minutes than Kidd who was really a 2 that year. That said next season will be 50 games tops so that will help keep Paul on the floor at his best condition

Minus Sheed, Kidd, Kurt, Kmart and Camry.
That team was gassed by years end. Beat boston on its last gasp then to Indy 4-1. It was fun season but it did not build upon itself.
Paul has to be seen as a bridge type player. 84mil is a lot of cap to spend on mentoring.
perhaps we should look to spend on Jake.
From
State
Farm.

NONE. If the Knicks buy they damned well be getting a couple of future first-rounders coming this way. OKC can afford it.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

martin wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.

My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.

So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.

Genius.

For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.

Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?

I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return

Cap space (see: Porky)

Cap space for a 35 yo PG entering his 15th season and making $42mil is a good deal. I just looked up the stats for Nash, Kidd and Billups. About age 35 is when the declines start showing. This would be a gamble from our point of view.

Jason Kidd in his last season at 38 years old was a big reason the Knicks won 54 games and made our last actual playoff run

Yeah, but Kidd came in to fill a smaller role and had a smaller salary cap hit on a team that was far more talented. Also, Kidd seemed to always be injured during that run.

Kidd’s leadership cannot be understated that season. Losing him we went from 54 to 37 wins with the same roster

Yes Paul would be the starting PG here playing more minutes than Kidd who was really a 2 that year. That said next season will be 50 games tops so that will help keep Paul on the floor at his best condition

Minus Sheed, Kidd, Kurt, Kmart and Camry.
That team was gassed by years end. Beat boston on its last gasp then to Indy 4-1. It was fun season but it did not build upon itself.
Paul has to be seen as a bridge type player. 84mil is a lot of cap to spend on mentoring.
perhaps we should look to spend on Jake.
From
State
Farm.

The years is more important than the money. Paul is only under contract for 2 more years. Dolan for all the s he gets (deserved) is actually a very good businessman and can absorb an $84 million salary like it’s nothing

fwk00 wrote:There is NO Chris Paul market.

NONE. If the Knicks buy they damned well be getting a couple of future first-rounders coming this way. OKC can afford it.

Maybe they will

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

martin wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.

My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.

So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.

Genius.

For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.

Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?

I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return

Cap space (see: Porky)

Cap space for a 35 yo PG entering his 15th season and making $42mil is a good deal. I just looked up the stats for Nash, Kidd and Billups. About age 35 is when the declines start showing. This would be a gamble from our point of view.

Jason Kidd in his last season at 38 years old was a big reason the Knicks won 54 games and made our last actual playoff run

Yeah, but Kidd came in to fill a smaller role and had a smaller salary cap hit on a team that was far more talented. Also, Kidd seemed to always be injured during that run.

Kidd’s leadership cannot be understated that season. Losing him we went from 54 to 37 wins with the same roster

Yes Paul would be the starting PG here playing more minutes than Kidd who was really a 2 that year. That said next season will be 50 games tops so that will help keep Paul on the floor at his best condition

Minus Sheed, Kidd, Kurt, Kmart and Camry.
That team was gassed by years end. Beat boston on its last gasp then to Indy 4-1. It was fun season but it did not build upon itself.
Paul has to be seen as a bridge type player. 84mil is a lot of cap to spend on mentoring.
perhaps we should look to spend on Jake.
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The years is more important than the money. Paul is only under contract for 2 more years. Dolan for all the s he gets (deserved) is actually a very good businessman and can absorb an $84 million salary like it’s nothing

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

martin wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.

My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.

So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.

Genius.

For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.

Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?

I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return

Cap space (see: Porky)

Cap space for a 35 yo PG entering his 15th season and making $42mil is a good deal. I just looked up the stats for Nash, Kidd and Billups. About age 35 is when the declines start showing. This would be a gamble from our point of view.

Jason Kidd in his last season at 38 years old was a big reason the Knicks won 54 games and made our last actual playoff run

Yeah, but Kidd came in to fill a smaller role and had a smaller salary cap hit on a team that was far more talented. Also, Kidd seemed to always be injured during that run.

Kidd’s leadership cannot be understated that season. Losing him we went from 54 to 37 wins with the same roster

Yes Paul would be the starting PG here playing more minutes than Kidd who was really a 2 that year. That said next season will be 50 games tops so that will help keep Paul on the floor at his best condition

Minus Sheed, Kidd, Kurt, Kmart and Camry.
That team was gassed by years end. Beat boston on its last gasp then to Indy 4-1. It was fun season but it did not build upon itself.
Paul has to be seen as a bridge type player. 84mil is a lot of cap to spend on mentoring.
perhaps we should look to spend on Jake.
From
State
Farm.

The years is more important than the money. Paul is only under contract for 2 more years. Dolan for all the s he gets (deserved) is actually a very good businessman and can absorb an $84 million salary like it’s nothing

If we don't get back any assets, then we're gambling two years of flexibility to make moves on the hope that Paul is motivated to play on a rebuilding team and has enough left in the tank. We have to get assets back.

What is the point of all this flexibility? We are never getting any big time free agents here. We have been trying this for 11 years now the only big FAs we got were Carmelo who is an anomaly we had trade for and Amare who was old and injured and we were the only team offering him the max

The Knicks can’t even keep Porzingis and we’re now going to sign Kawahi Leonard and Giannis Antekonompo

Unless the Knicks start making the playoffs even as just an 8th seed these weak millennial free agents will continue to run from us

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

martin wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:If this trade is inevitable, which i think it is. I can live with giving up Randle, DSJ and the clips pick. Thats the best i can give with out me feeling horrible about it. I just hope the knicks get out bid by other teams and the only way to get him here is to make a melo type deal giving up our starting 5 for a 35 yr old favorite player of the president. Hopefully then Rose can see how foolish the trade is. One step forward, 2 steps back, we will get a great culture player for a price that is an arm and a leg! Please just give Frank and DSJ a chance to show what they can do with a fresh set of coaches to mold them.

My threshold for not feeling horrible about a CP3 trade is much less. OKC would have to basically give him away to the Knicks. If OKC is rebuilding and have moved on from CP3 and they need his salary off books / Cap relief, then Rose is not doing his job if he trades any major assets for CP3.

So what's missing here is that *WE ARE REBUILDING*! But let's scrap all that so that we can help OKC rebuild by taking the albatross off their back and putting it on ours.

Genius.

For randle, Knox and pick 27 .... that would be a huge haul for OKC for 36 year old Paul... but with that said I bet Paul plays till 40 41 ... and he’s off the books in 2 years. He would make our team instantly better. He would do wonders for our youth, and help change our losing culture. I just hope Knox doesn’t turn into a beast.

Look at it from OKC's perspective. They have a PG that just played out of his MIND this past year and they are willing to give him up for 2 non productive players and the 27th pick?

I get the age and $42M per thing. OKC got to show something in return

Cap space (see: Porky)

Cap space for a 35 yo PG entering his 15th season and making $42mil is a good deal. I just looked up the stats for Nash, Kidd and Billups. About age 35 is when the declines start showing. This would be a gamble from our point of view.

Jason Kidd in his last season at 38 years old was a big reason the Knicks won 54 games and made our last actual playoff run

Yeah, but Kidd came in to fill a smaller role and had a smaller salary cap hit on a team that was far more talented. Also, Kidd seemed to always be injured during that run.

Kidd’s leadership cannot be understated that season. Losing him we went from 54 to 37 wins with the same roster

Yes Paul would be the starting PG here playing more minutes than Kidd who was really a 2 that year. That said next season will be 50 games tops so that will help keep Paul on the floor at his best condition

Minus Sheed, Kidd, Kurt, Kmart and Camry.
That team was gassed by years end. Beat boston on its last gasp then to Indy 4-1. It was fun season but it did not build upon itself.
Paul has to be seen as a bridge type player. 84mil is a lot of cap to spend on mentoring.
perhaps we should look to spend on Jake.
From
State
Farm.

The years is more important than the money. Paul is only under contract for 2 more years. Dolan for all the s he gets (deserved) is actually a very good businessman and can absorb an $84 million salary like it’s nothing

If we don't get back any assets, then we're gambling two years of flexibility to make moves on the hope that Paul is motivated to play on a rebuilding team and has enough left in the tank. We have to get assets back.

What is the point of all this flexibility? We are never getting any big time free agents here. We have been trying this for 11 years now the only big FAs we got were Carmelo who is an anomaly we had trade for and Amare who was old and injured and we were the only team offering him the max

The Knicks can’t even keep Porzingis and we’re now going to sign Kawahi Leonard and Giannis Antekonompo

Unless the Knicks start making the playoffs even as just an 8th seed these weak millennial free agents will continue to run from us