Guys, this is great for once. He requested a trade to NY !!!! Why ? Don't care!!! Whoo whoop!! Yes I am counting out the Lakers because what can they offer to even match salary? Exactly,that was just lip service to not put his current franchise in a complete corner bargain wise. Quite a nice gesture by CP's corner actually.
This is almost the same situation as Westbrook, as long as we don't give up youth nor picks CP would be even better than Westbrook
Ofcourse the worst coach ever has to weigh in
https://okcthunderwire.usatoday.com/2020/11/07/former-knicks-coach-doesnt-think-chris-paul-is-good-fit-in-new-york/
ramtour420 wrote:Guys, this is great for once. He requested a trade to NY !!!! Why ? Don't care!!! Whoo whoop!! Yes I am counting out the Lakers because what can they offer to even match salary? Exactly,that was just lip service to not put his current franchise in a complete corner bargain wise. Quite a nice gesture by CP's corner actually.
This is almost the same situation as Westbrook, as long as we don't give up youth nor picks CP would be even better than Westbrook
A winning player who is still one of the best pgs in the game who actually wants to come here and can help guys like RJ and Mitch develop and would cost little. Can’t have that!
Simplistic analysis -- "we suck and we're better with CP3" (or Westbrook, or Harden, or whomever).
Reality -- gargantuan cap hit, loss of assets perhaps, likely at best early playoff exit team bound to get worse in subsequent years. i.e., same ol' same ol'.
KnickDanger wrote:Simplistic analysis -- "we suck and we're better with CP3" (or Westbrook, or Harden, or whomever).Reality -- gargantuan cap hit, loss of assets perhaps, likely at best early playoff exit team bound to get worse in subsequent years. i.e., same ol' same ol'.
So what your saying is that when CP's contract expires next season, were going to be a bad team, even though we will probably have cap space upwards of 45 to 60 mill.
knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Simplistic analysis -- "we suck and we're better with CP3" (or Westbrook, or Harden, or whomever).Reality -- gargantuan cap hit, loss of assets perhaps, likely at best early playoff exit team bound to get worse in subsequent years. i.e., same ol' same ol'.
So what your saying is that when CP's contract expires next season, were going to be a bad team, even though we will probably have cap space upwards of 45 to 60 mill.
After next season, meaning two full seasons from now, at $40 million per, just to clarify. That is two full seasons our cap would be f@#ked by his contract. At the end of which he will be 37. But as my post indicated, this is about a reality check. CP3 magically appearing on out roster, great. Or having #1's or excellent assets attached okay. But giving up assets/picks hell no. And also my point is it's not just about Chris Paul here, it's about not continuing Knicks business as usual. In my estimation it is the fans who most cry for these big splash quick fixes who are the most miserable when we ultimately pay the price with another crappy to horrid stretch of years. Who then cry again for the big splash quick fix. It's called the cycle of addiction.
Philc1 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Guys, this is great for once. He requested a trade to NY !!!! Why ? Don't care!!! Whoo whoop!! Yes I am counting out the Lakers because what can they offer to even match salary? Exactly,that was just lip service to not put his current franchise in a complete corner bargain wise. Quite a nice gesture by CP's corner actually.
This is almost the same situation as Westbrook, as long as we don't give up youth nor picks CP would be even better than Westbrook
A winning player who is still one of the best pgs in the game who actually wants to come here and can help guys like RJ and Mitch develop and would cost little. Can’t have that!
Didn't we learn our lesson from last time? He said NY, but he didn't say which team. He clearly meant a reunion with 
.
BigDaddyG wrote:Philc1 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Guys, this is great for once. He requested a trade to NY !!!! Why ? Don't care!!! Whoo whoop!! Yes I am counting out the Lakers because what can they offer to even match salary? Exactly,that was just lip service to not put his current franchise in a complete corner bargain wise. Quite a nice gesture by CP's corner actually.
This is almost the same situation as Westbrook, as long as we don't give up youth nor picks CP would be even better than Westbrook
A winning player who is still one of the best pgs in the game who actually wants to come here and can help guys like RJ and Mitch develop and would cost little. Can’t have that!
Didn't we learn our lesson from last time? He said NY, but he didn't say which team. He clearly meant a reunion with .
Nah man, Nets have a starting pg already, do you think CP will be playing off the bench? Why would the Nets do that ? Nah
KnickDanger wrote:knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Simplistic analysis -- "we suck and we're better with CP3" (or Westbrook, or Harden, or whomever).Reality -- gargantuan cap hit, loss of assets perhaps, likely at best early playoff exit team bound to get worse in subsequent years. i.e., same ol' same ol'.
So what your saying is that when CP's contract expires next season, were going to be a bad team, even though we will probably have cap space upwards of 45 to 60 mill.
After next season, meaning two full seasons from now, at $40 million per, just to clarify. That is two full seasons our cap would be f@#ked by his contract. At the end of which he will be 37. But as my post indicated, this is about a reality check. CP3 magically appearing on out roster, great. Or having #1's or excellent assets attached okay. But giving up assets/picks hell no. And also my point is it's not just about Chris Paul here, it's about not continuing Knicks business as usual. In my estimation it is the fans who most cry for these big splash quick fixes who are the most miserable when we ultimately pay the price with another crappy to horrid stretch of years. Who then cry again for the big splash quick fix. It's called the cycle of addiction.
Cycle of addiction you speak of applies when we trade future assets( picks and youth) for over the hill stars. Noone is advocating trading the future to get CP. No picks, no youth. Would he be a great mentor? Likely. Will there be a culture change ? Likely. Will we be back to 1 st round of playoffs ? Likely. Are those things necessary to start building a contender? Absolutely.( Unless you draft the next Lebron)
ramtour420 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Philc1 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Guys, this is great for once. He requested a trade to NY !!!! Why ? Don't care!!! Whoo whoop!! Yes I am counting out the Lakers because what can they offer to even match salary? Exactly,that was just lip service to not put his current franchise in a complete corner bargain wise. Quite a nice gesture by CP's corner actually.
This is almost the same situation as Westbrook, as long as we don't give up youth nor picks CP would be even better than Westbrook
A winning player who is still one of the best pgs in the game who actually wants to come here and can help guys like RJ and Mitch develop and would cost little. Can’t have that!
Didn't we learn our lesson from last time? He said NY, but he didn't say which team. He clearly meant a reunion with .
Nah man, Nets have a starting pg already, do you think CP will be playing off the bench? Why would the Nets do that ? Nah
Who knows? Given Kyrie and CP's injury history, you might be look at half a season a piece from them. It might be a consideration for CP if he's in ring chasing mode. I was kinda kidding, but crazier things have happened.
KnickDanger wrote:knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Simplistic analysis -- "we suck and we're better with CP3" (or Westbrook, or Harden, or whomever).Reality -- gargantuan cap hit, loss of assets perhaps, likely at best early playoff exit team bound to get worse in subsequent years. i.e., same ol' same ol'.
So what your saying is that when CP's contract expires next season, were going to be a bad team, even though we will probably have cap space upwards of 45 to 60 mill.
After next season, meaning two full seasons from now, at $40 million per, just to clarify. That is two full seasons our cap would be f@#ked by his contract. At the end of which he will be 37. But as my post indicated, this is about a reality check. CP3 magically appearing on out roster, great. Or having #1's or excellent assets attached okay. But giving up assets/picks hell no. And also my point is it's not just about Chris Paul here, it's about not continuing Knicks business as usual. In my estimation it is the fans who most cry for these big splash quick fixes who are the most miserable when we ultimately pay the price with another crappy to horrid stretch of years. Who then cry again for the big splash quick fix. It's called the cycle of addiction.
His contract is off the books in 2 years. And you’re upset that the Knicks might actually make the playoffs?
BigDaddyG wrote:ramtour420 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Philc1 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Guys, this is great for once. He requested a trade to NY !!!! Why ? Don't care!!! Whoo whoop!! Yes I am counting out the Lakers because what can they offer to even match salary? Exactly,that was just lip service to not put his current franchise in a complete corner bargain wise. Quite a nice gesture by CP's corner actually.
This is almost the same situation as Westbrook, as long as we don't give up youth nor picks CP would be even better than Westbrook
A winning player who is still one of the best pgs in the game who actually wants to come here and can help guys like RJ and Mitch develop and would cost little. Can’t have that!
Didn't we learn our lesson from last time? He said NY, but he didn't say which team. He clearly meant a reunion with .
Nah man, Nets have a starting pg already, do you think CP will be playing off the bench? Why would the Nets do that ? Nah
Who knows? Given Kyrie and CP's injury history, you might be look at half a season a piece from them. It might be a consideration for CP if he's in ring chasing mode. I was kinda kidding, but crazier things have happened.
Oh my God I can’t wait for the next Kyrie meltdown when he finds out the nets are trading for another starting pg
The Nets are not stupid. They are not the Knicks. At most they will be trading Kyrie FOR CP3.
Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Simplistic analysis -- "we suck and we're better with CP3" (or Westbrook, or Harden, or whomever).Reality -- gargantuan cap hit, loss of assets perhaps, likely at best early playoff exit team bound to get worse in subsequent years. i.e., same ol' same ol'.
So what your saying is that when CP's contract expires next season, were going to be a bad team, even though we will probably have cap space upwards of 45 to 60 mill.
After next season, meaning two full seasons from now, at $40 million per, just to clarify. That is two full seasons our cap would be f@#ked by his contract. At the end of which he will be 37. But as my post indicated, this is about a reality check. CP3 magically appearing on out roster, great. Or having #1's or excellent assets attached okay. But giving up assets/picks hell no. And also my point is it's not just about Chris Paul here, it's about not continuing Knicks business as usual. In my estimation it is the fans who most cry for these big splash quick fixes who are the most miserable when we ultimately pay the price with another crappy to horrid stretch of years. Who then cry again for the big splash quick fix. It's called the cycle of addiction.
His contract is off the books in 2 years. And you’re upset that the Knicks might actually make the playoffs?
Oh come on man. Read what I wrote.
ramtour420 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:knicks1248 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Simplistic analysis -- "we suck and we're better with CP3" (or Westbrook, or Harden, or whomever).Reality -- gargantuan cap hit, loss of assets perhaps, likely at best early playoff exit team bound to get worse in subsequent years. i.e., same ol' same ol'.
So what your saying is that when CP's contract expires next season, were going to be a bad team, even though we will probably have cap space upwards of 45 to 60 mill.
After next season, meaning two full seasons from now, at $40 million per, just to clarify. That is two full seasons our cap would be f@#ked by his contract. At the end of which he will be 37. But as my post indicated, this is about a reality check. CP3 magically appearing on out roster, great. Or having #1's or excellent assets attached okay. But giving up assets/picks hell no. And also my point is it's not just about Chris Paul here, it's about not continuing Knicks business as usual. In my estimation it is the fans who most cry for these big splash quick fixes who are the most miserable when we ultimately pay the price with another crappy to horrid stretch of years. Who then cry again for the big splash quick fix. It's called the cycle of addiction.
Cycle of addiction you speak of applies when we trade future assets( picks and youth) for over the hill stars. Noone is advocating trading the future to get CP. No picks, no youth. Would he be a great mentor? Likely. Will there be a culture change ? Likely. Will we be back to 1 st round of playoffs ? Likely. Are those things necessary to start building a contender? Absolutely.( Unless you draft the next Lebron)
The reality is CP doesn't effect the cap space this season because before you even seek a trade for him, you have the option to see what FA is interested in coming here. You want to Hold your breath for that again.
If your Not interested in trading for CP, then you want to go the MILLs route and sit on you hands and wait for some star player to request a trade, over pay role players for 1 season and that doesn't help stability or build a winning culture.
With a Cap guru and one of the best deal makers in the NBA running the knicks, why should there be any real concern.
This isn't Layden, Isaiah or Mills making deals
knicks1248 wrote:
If your Not interested in trading for CP, then you want to go the MILLs route and sit on you hands and wait for some star player to request a trade, over pay role players for 1 season and that doesn't help stability or build a winning culture.
Bringing in an overpaid over-the-hill player, even one as good as CP3, does not help stability or building a winning culture either. At least I do not recall any similar examples of an aged star resuscitating an otherwise morubund franchise. Even Jordan could not do it with the Wizards.
ESOMKnicks wrote:knicks1248 wrote:
If your Not interested in trading for CP, then you want to go the MILLs route and sit on you hands and wait for some star player to request a trade, over pay role players for 1 season and that doesn't help stability or build a winning culture.
Bringing in an overpaid over-the-hill player, even one as good as CP3, does not help stability or building a winning culture either. At least I do not recall any similar examples of an aged star resuscitating an otherwise morubund franchise. Even Jordan could not do it with the Wizards.
What "All star" you know, Skills declined 6 months after he was an all star...Or did you forget CP was an all star this season?
Your still yet to give an alternate option that will make us a playoff team next season, help develop the young players, A respected leader on and off the court, A proven veteran player that a Veteran Coach(like thibs) will respect and Trust.
NAME ME THAT PLAYER THATS AVAILABLE TO US((with those attributes) that we can get IN THE NEXT 3 WEEKS or 2 yrs.
Give me an alternate option that makes sense because I'm not locked in on CP if there's a better option
I do not think making the playoffs next season should be our top priority. I would rather prefer if the Knicks invested another year in bulding the team and developing young talent. If the going gets good and we have a real shot at the playoffs, great. If not, I would rather prefer for the Knicks to tank for a high draft pick. To me mediocrity is the worst place to be right now. And obtaining CP3 puts us exactly there. I can live with it if we get another valuable asset together with him, but not if we get him standalone or give up anything of value.
In the next 2 years no player in the league would be off limits, as long as we can absorb him into our cap space. Life can be full of sudden and dramatic reversals.
And if Hahn's suspicion - that teams will play in division bubbles exclusively against each other - holds then the Knicks have no chance of sniffing playoffs no matter who gets traded here.
fwk00 wrote:And if Hahn's suspicion - that teams will play in division bubbles exclusively against each other - holds then the Knicks have no chance of sniffing playoffs no matter who gets traded here.
GOOD!
On the other hand, there is a play-in of seeds 8-11 for last spot?
fwk00 wrote:And if Hahn's suspicion - that teams will play in division bubbles exclusively against each other - holds then the Knicks have no chance of sniffing playoffs no matter who gets traded here.
This may be the best time to exercise patience and seek to build from the ground up rather than trade part of the future for present mediocrity.
