Knicks · Stop the Chris Paul bs (page 2)

TripleThreat wrote:Why is pitching in the 9th inning so much more valuable than the 7th inning? The short answer is it's not.

I don't even know where to start with this... I get what you're trying to say but insist it is misguided. There is a reason that the greatest closer of all time is also the only unanimous player in the HOF. I guess they should have given it to Jeff Nelson instead

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:Give em Randle, DSJ, and a 2023 2nd rounder. That’s it.

why those 2 ?

If you believe the rumors, they're going to try and move Randle in any move involving large salaries. I'm hearing Knox's name a lot too. We haven't heard anything one way or another on DSJ, except that one rumor that Frank is being pencilled in as the starter. DSJ appears to be on the outs, but who knows what Thibs is thinking at this point.

I don't know where that rumor came from but i did see this

The New York Knicks' hire of Tom Thibodeau this offseason should give at least one player at Madison Square Garden reason to perk up.

According to SNY.tv's Ian Begley, Thibodeau was previously "enamored" with guard Dennis Smith Jr. coming out of college and scouted him during the predraft process in 2017.

Smith would wind up falling to the Dallas Mavericks with the No. 9 pick as the then-Thibodeau-coached Minnesota Timberwolves swapped picks with the Chicago Bulls, landing the No. 16 overall selection as a result of the Jimmy Butler trade. The Bulls received the No. 7 pick from Minnesota in the deal and took Lauri Markkanen.

DSJ seems more in line with some of the pg's Thibs had and likes, athletic, scoring, fast, bull dog, aggressive type, that is the complete opposite of frank.

If your going to trade randle, hopefully it would be for another PF, we have no one at that position if you trade him for a pg

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:Give em Randle, DSJ, and a 2023 2nd rounder. That’s it.

why those 2 ?

If you believe the rumors, they're going to try and move Randle in any move involving large salaries. I'm hearing Knox's name a lot too. We haven't heard anything one way or another on DSJ, except that one rumor that Frank is being pencilled in as the starter. DSJ appears to be on the outs, but who knows what Thibs is thinking at this point.

I don't know where that rumor came from but i did see this

The New York Knicks' hire of Tom Thibodeau this offseason should give at least one player at Madison Square Garden reason to perk up.

According to SNY.tv's Ian Begley, Thibodeau was previously "enamored" with guard Dennis Smith Jr. coming out of college and scouted him during the predraft process in 2017.

Smith would wind up falling to the Dallas Mavericks with the No. 9 pick as the then-Thibodeau-coached Minnesota Timberwolves swapped picks with the Chicago Bulls, landing the No. 16 overall selection as a result of the Jimmy Butler trade. The Bulls received the No. 7 pick from Minnesota in the deal and took Lauri Markkanen.

DSJ seems more in line with some of the pg's Thibs had and likes, athletic, scoring, fast, bull dog, aggressive type, that is the complete opposite of frank.

If your going to trade randle, hopefully it would be for another PF, we have no one at that position if you trade him for a pg

I agree. None of the PF free agent candidates out there are a sure thing in terms of our ability to sign them. As for DSJ, there's no way to tell what they are thinking. Yeah, he has the highest ceiling at the PG position, but he also might've played worse than Knox last season. Thibs also played a number of years with Kirk Hinrich too. Can't lock into what Thibs is thinking now.

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:Give em Randle, DSJ, and a 2023 2nd rounder. That’s it.

why those 2 ?

If you believe the rumors, they're going to try and move Randle in any move involving large salaries. I'm hearing Knox's name a lot too. We haven't heard anything one way or another on DSJ, except that one rumor that Frank is being pencilled in as the starter. DSJ appears to be on the outs, but who knows what Thibs is thinking at this point.

I don't know where that rumor came from but i did see this

The New York Knicks' hire of Tom Thibodeau this offseason should give at least one player at Madison Square Garden reason to perk up.

According to SNY.tv's Ian Begley, Thibodeau was previously "enamored" with guard Dennis Smith Jr. coming out of college and scouted him during the predraft process in 2017.

Smith would wind up falling to the Dallas Mavericks with the No. 9 pick as the then-Thibodeau-coached Minnesota Timberwolves swapped picks with the Chicago Bulls, landing the No. 16 overall selection as a result of the Jimmy Butler trade. The Bulls received the No. 7 pick from Minnesota in the deal and took Lauri Markkanen.

DSJ seems more in line with some of the pg's Thibs had and likes, athletic, scoring, fast, bull dog, aggressive type, that is the complete opposite of frank.

If your going to trade randle, hopefully it would be for another PF, we have no one at that position if you trade him for a pg

I agree. None of the PF free agent candidates out there are a sure thing in terms of our ability to sign them. As for DSJ, there's no way to tell what they are thinking. Yeah, he has the highest ceiling at the PG position, but he also might've played worse than Knox last season. Thibs also played a number of years with Kirk Hinrich too. Can't lock into what Thibs is thinking now.

While I do think it's fair to say that no FA PF is a sure thing, I think there is a high probability we end up with Gallinari. He's a CAA guy, can shoot, has shown an openness to return here, I don't see OKC retaining him for the money he wants, and he sort of fits the veteran presence/culture change piece that makes a lot of sense here and is a good fit. For all of those reasons I think there is a very good chance we sign him. Rose is likely friends with his agent and has probably already had an off-the-record conversation with him about Gallinari.

4. LAC is in talks with OKC/PHX/SAS for a PG. I was told, they are the leading team in a Chris Paul trade. There is some major hangups for CP3 from all teams due to his contract. Which has limited the teams to Philly who is lukewarm in trading assets for him. NY is only willing to trade a expiring like Randle and a trash young player like Knox. I was told NYK wants to keep Frank N and he's NOT available anymore for any type of deal. Thibs wants him. His contract makes trades really really hard still. His media market is MUCH better than his real market.

Westbrook's market has been understated. His market is bigger than it is and I was told HOU isn't moving him and done want to move him unless they get value in return. He stated CP3 will likely go to New York or Los Angeles and most likely New York. There is some doubt about the fit for CP3 with Kawhi and PG13 around the league and the Knicks really want a vet to make it easier to develop Robinson and Barrett but they are NOT trading real assets to land CP3 either. What shocked me was I was told Al Horford has HIGHER trade value right now than CP3 just because of his contract makes it so hard to do a trade. LAC is targeting Collison, Rondo, and Dragic in FA as well. CP3 still wants to go to Milwaukee but Milwaukee will NOT trade any assets in a CP3 trade other than Bledsoe and money wise, they are limited and do NOT want to trade George Hill as well.

8. Lonzo Ball is the biggest riser on the trade market. CP3 is the biggest faller. NOH is considering trading Ball due to long term fit issues and them wanting to use Jrue as the starting PG and sharing the backcourt with NAW who some in the org think is the better player long term. That and his future contract has made them look at other options. I was told before, he could be had more pennies on a dollar but that was wrong. He will cost you at least a decent role player and a 1st rounder. He will not be cheap at all. Teams want him and he's a hot target. Like stated above, CP3 value is steeply dropping. Presti is asking contenders for too much any no one wants to give much if anything for him due to his age and contract.

Presti will have to lower his demands and yes, CP3 wants a trade to be honored and would like to go to a contender more than another rebuilding situation. In order for that to happen, OKC will have to lower their demands. A darkhorse team in the CP3 sweepstakes is Dallas who are open to a CP3 trade but they aren't offering bad assets and #31 which is not appealing to OKC. From what I got, Milwaukee is OUT on CP3 and redshifted their focus to Lonzo Ball.

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:Give em Randle, DSJ, and a 2023 2nd rounder. That’s it.

why those 2 ?

If you believe the rumors, they're going to try and move Randle in any move involving large salaries. I'm hearing Knox's name a lot too. We haven't heard anything one way or another on DSJ, except that one rumor that Frank is being pencilled in as the starter. DSJ appears to be on the outs, but who knows what Thibs is thinking at this point.

I don't know where that rumor came from but i did see this

The New York Knicks' hire of Tom Thibodeau this offseason should give at least one player at Madison Square Garden reason to perk up.

According to SNY.tv's Ian Begley, Thibodeau was previously "enamored" with guard Dennis Smith Jr. coming out of college and scouted him during the predraft process in 2017.

Smith would wind up falling to the Dallas Mavericks with the No. 9 pick as the then-Thibodeau-coached Minnesota Timberwolves swapped picks with the Chicago Bulls, landing the No. 16 overall selection as a result of the Jimmy Butler trade. The Bulls received the No. 7 pick from Minnesota in the deal and took Lauri Markkanen.

DSJ seems more in line with some of the pg's Thibs had and likes, athletic, scoring, fast, bull dog, aggressive type, that is the complete opposite of frank.

If your going to trade randle, hopefully it would be for another PF, we have no one at that position if you trade him for a pg

I agree. None of the PF free agent candidates out there are a sure thing in terms of our ability to sign them. As for DSJ, there's no way to tell what they are thinking. Yeah, he has the highest ceiling at the PG position, but he also might've played worse than Knox last season. Thibs also played a number of years with Kirk Hinrich too. Can't lock into what Thibs is thinking now.

I put Kirk and Teague in the same category, still, both of them were fast, could shoot, and capable of dropping 20 on any giving night.

I just think with CP on the roster, that takes the ball out of his (randle)hands, I can see randle in the same role as Noah was with the Bulls (on offense)

I would even see if denver would do a Bol bol for frank...( i actually think frank would shine bright in that system)

I also feel like Most FA are not going to do a long term contract of more than 2 or 3 yrs and, think thats a mutual feeling around the league

Knixkik wrote:
While I do think it's fair to say that no FA PF is a sure thing, I think there is a high probability we end up with Gallinari. He's a CAA guy, can shoot, has shown an openness to return here, I don't see OKC retaining him for the money he wants, and he sort of fits the veteran presence/culture change piece that makes a lot of sense here and is a good fit. For all of those reasons I think there is a very good chance we sign him. Rose is likely friends with his agent and has probably already had an off-the-record conversation with him about Gallinari.

I can see TT’s logic for bringing in Paul. Still do not think it is worth giving up picks or Knox for that (not ready to give up on Knox yet, he is young and can still improve).

But Gallinari is a total waste of a retread. He is not a leader or a floor general, and at his age adds nothing to the longer term outlook for the team or its culture. Not unless he takes a really short-term contract that would be easy to trade as filler for a superstar.

smackeddog wrote:That hawks guy posted this:

4. LAC is in talks with OKC/PHX/SAS for a PG. I was told, they are the leading team in a Chris Paul trade. There is some major hangups for CP3 from all teams due to his contract. Which has limited the teams to Philly who is lukewarm in trading assets for him. NY is only willing to trade a expiring like Randle and a trash young player like Knox. I was told NYK wants to keep Frank N and he's NOT available anymore for any type of deal. Thibs wants him. His contract makes trades really really hard still. His media market is MUCH better than his real market.

Westbrook's market has been understated. His market is bigger than it is and I was told HOU isn't moving him and done want to move him unless they get value in return. He stated CP3 will likely go to New York or Los Angeles and most likely New York. There is some doubt about the fit for CP3 with Kawhi and PG13 around the league and the Knicks really want a vet to make it easier to develop Robinson and Barrett but they are NOT trading real assets to land CP3 either. What shocked me was I was told Al Horford has HIGHER trade value right now than CP3 just because of his contract makes it so hard to do a trade. LAC is targeting Collison, Rondo, and Dragic in FA as well. CP3 still wants to go to Milwaukee but Milwaukee will NOT trade any assets in a CP3 trade other than Bledsoe and money wise, they are limited and do NOT want to trade George Hill as well.

8. Lonzo Ball is the biggest riser on the trade market. CP3 is the biggest faller. NOH is considering trading Ball due to long term fit issues and them wanting to use Jrue as the starting PG and sharing the backcourt with NAW who some in the org think is the better player long term. That and his future contract has made them look at other options. I was told before, he could be had more pennies on a dollar but that was wrong. He will cost you at least a decent role player and a 1st rounder. He will not be cheap at all. Teams want him and he's a hot target. Like stated above, CP3 value is steeply dropping. Presti is asking contenders for too much any no one wants to give much if anything for him due to his age and contract.

Presti will have to lower his demands and yes, CP3 wants a trade to be honored and would like to go to a contender more than another rebuilding situation. In order for that to happen, OKC will have to lower their demands. A darkhorse team in the CP3 sweepstakes is Dallas who are open to a CP3 trade but they aren't offering bad assets and #31 which is not appealing to OKC. From what I got, Milwaukee is OUT on CP3 and redshifted their focus to Lonzo Ball.

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:Give em Randle, DSJ, and a 2023 2nd rounder. That’s it.

why those 2 ?

If you believe the rumors, they're going to try and move Randle in any move involving large salaries. I'm hearing Knox's name a lot too. We haven't heard anything one way or another on DSJ, except that one rumor that Frank is being pencilled in as the starter. DSJ appears to be on the outs, but who knows what Thibs is thinking at this point.

I don't know where that rumor came from but i did see this

The New York Knicks' hire of Tom Thibodeau this offseason should give at least one player at Madison Square Garden reason to perk up.

According to SNY.tv's Ian Begley, Thibodeau was previously "enamored" with guard Dennis Smith Jr. coming out of college and scouted him during the predraft process in 2017.

Smith would wind up falling to the Dallas Mavericks with the No. 9 pick as the then-Thibodeau-coached Minnesota Timberwolves swapped picks with the Chicago Bulls, landing the No. 16 overall selection as a result of the Jimmy Butler trade. The Bulls received the No. 7 pick from Minnesota in the deal and took Lauri Markkanen.

DSJ seems more in line with some of the pg's Thibs had and likes, athletic, scoring, fast, bull dog, aggressive type, that is the complete opposite of frank.

If your going to trade randle, hopefully it would be for another PF, we have no one at that position if you trade him for a pg

I agree. None of the PF free agent candidates out there are a sure thing in terms of our ability to sign them. As for DSJ, there's no way to tell what they are thinking. Yeah, he has the highest ceiling at the PG position, but he also might've played worse than Knox last season. Thibs also played a number of years with Kirk Hinrich too. Can't lock into what Thibs is thinking now.

I put Kirk and Teague in the same category, still, both of them were fast, could shoot, and capable of dropping 20 on any giving night.

I just think with CP on the roster, that takes the ball out of his (randle)hands, I can see randle in the same role as Noah was with the Bulls (on offense)

I would even see if denver would do a Bol bol for frank...( i actually think frank would shine bright in that system)

I also feel like Most FA are not going to do a long term contract of more than 2 or 3 yrs and, think thats a mutual feeling around the league

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Knixkik wrote:
While I do think it's fair to say that no FA PF is a sure thing, I think there is a high probability we end up with Gallinari. He's a CAA guy, can shoot, has shown an openness to return here, I don't see OKC retaining him for the money he wants, and he sort of fits the veteran presence/culture change piece that makes a lot of sense here and is a good fit. For all of those reasons I think there is a very good chance we sign him. Rose is likely friends with his agent and has probably already had an off-the-record conversation with him about Gallinari.

I can see TT’s logic for bringing in Paul. Still do not think it is worth giving up picks or Knox for that (not ready to give up on Knox yet, he is young and can still improve).

But Gallinari is a total waste of a retread. He is not a leader or a floor general, and at his age adds nothing to the longer term outlook for the team or its culture. Not unless he takes a really short-term contract that would be easy to trade as filler for a superstar.

you should never be worried about giving up on a player when you can replace him with some one better. When denver realize Mudiay wasn't it, they drafted murry, when dallas realize DSJ wasn't it, they drafted luka.

There are much better players, with much better potential then the ones we got. Our young player are well below avg and you should be willing to trade anyone of them for someone better

knicks1248 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:
I can see TT’s logic for bringing in Paul. Still do not think it is worth giving up picks or Knox for that (not ready to give up on Knox yet, he is young and can still improve).

you should never be worried about giving up on a player when you can replace him with some one better. When denver realize Mudiay wasn't it, they drafted murry, when dallas realize DSJ wasn't it, they drafted luka.

There are much better players, with much better potential then the ones we got. Our young player are well below avg and you should be willing to trade anyone of them for someone better

Any specific names you have in mind? Can you say who they are? Someone young who is or will be better than Knox can ever hope of becoming?

It certainly ain’t CP3, for whom ppl a proposing to trade Knox, he is too old already and will not be part of the Knicks’ long term future.

knicks1248 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Knixkik wrote:
While I do think it's fair to say that no FA PF is a sure thing, I think there is a high probability we end up with Gallinari. He's a CAA guy, can shoot, has shown an openness to return here, I don't see OKC retaining him for the money he wants, and he sort of fits the veteran presence/culture change piece that makes a lot of sense here and is a good fit. For all of those reasons I think there is a very good chance we sign him. Rose is likely friends with his agent and has probably already had an off-the-record conversation with him about Gallinari.

I can see TT’s logic for bringing in Paul. Still do not think it is worth giving up picks or Knox for that (not ready to give up on Knox yet, he is young and can still improve).

But Gallinari is a total waste of a retread. He is not a leader or a floor general, and at his age adds nothing to the longer term outlook for the team or its culture. Not unless he takes a really short-term contract that would be easy to trade as filler for a superstar.

you should never be worried about giving up on a player when you can replace him with some one better. When denver realize Mudiay wasn't it, they drafted murry, when dallas realize DSJ wasn't it, they drafted luka.

There are much better players, with much better potential then the ones we got. Our young player are well below avg and you should be willing to trade anyone of them for someone better

Dallas thought they could pair smith and Doncic.
Master plan? Mudiay gone from Denver three seasons now. stop making revisionist shyt up.
What now? Denver traded for Jokic because they knew???
Jokic was suffocating in Portland Because they have an awesome backcourt. A fluke that he is this fucking good!
Shyt happens. Good shyt happens to team that keep moving forward. Not like this mentor ship dream we keep talking about. Jokic didn’t have Bill Walton to show him the ropes. Murray did not need Allan Houston to show him things. Thats what coaches are for.

TripleThreat wrote:

fwk00 wrote:The meme that CP3 makes teammates "better" should be part of the new development staff's job description. Shouldn't every player be getting drilled in how to create better chemistry, better game-time decision-making, and so on? I mean if we don't trade for CP3, will we just forget about that stuff?

One thing that every other non baseball sports analytics department looks at in MLB is how teams use their bullpen. You could be a stat head on an NHL team and that Yankees bullpen offers a lot of insight into player value and raises questions about eye test versus analytics.

Billy Beane was one of the biggest proponents of intentionally churning closers. Find someone cheap who breaks out, then trade them once you assessed the beginning of their decline phase. This defied what some small market teams were doing at the time, which was closer by committee. Why is pitching in the 9th inning so much more valuable than the 7th inning? The short answer is it's not. A solid MLB starter might give you 30-35 starts in a season if he's healthy. How often are they that healthy? A combo like Jeff Nelson/Mike Stanton might give you 60 games each. It's taking a very good pitcher and using his value across more of your games. It's also easier to hide a pitchers limitations in the bullpen.

But one that bears out over time, no matter your team budget, it's better to have a defined closer versus not. The reason? There is a psychological/mental/emotional impact that happens when people understand their defined roles. It's easier for Jeff Nelson to do his job and to understand what he needs to do when he knows he's pitching the 8th inning and then Mariano Rivera is going to come in and close the game out. If you tried to have Nelson give a spot start one week, then close a few days later, then do a mop up job in a blowout, that starts to mess with a guy's head.

CP3 on the Knicks roster defines everyone's role. He's the primary ball handler. He decides who is getting what shots during the game. He's determine the offenses pace and plan of attack. He has been successful enough to hold everyone to his standard of play/professionalism. Functional teams are not a democracy. If Dennis Smith Jr is not moving off ball with effort and the right way to get the best floor spacing, CP3 will get in his face about it. You need someone on the court who is going to tell you what to do and actually understands what you need to do and has the resume to enforce it.

How CP3 can help this team is to force players to understand that they have a responsibility to have agency over their own careers and development. If you need to be a better long range shooter and you aren't getting all the help you need from your coaches, then go out and talk to retired players. Find and hire specialists in the offseason. Learn every possible training methodology for better shooting and see if one works for you. Look under every stone, use every resource, be a problem solver, be relentless. What you can't do is sit there and say "Well this excuse and that excuse is the reason why I can't get better"

Shared attrition bonds people. Tim Duncan might respect Popovich. He might even love him. But he's not going to trust him like he would Manu Ginobili. You are going to trust the guys who are out there fighting side by side with you. It's that trust that can compel a younger and less experienced player to step outside his comfort zone to fall in line towards a larger overall vision for a team.

I like your thinking and the rationale makes some sense. I think the difference is that CP3 minutes represent 1/5 of the minutes available at the PG spot. CP3 would not be relieving anyone based on this theory. And because the Knicks are rebuilding its hard to imagine that he'd both want to be here and could thrive here.

If I were imagining how it might play out, the next logical goal for *this* Knicks team will be to make the playoffs. Miracles can and do happen but that's very very unlikely. So let's say CP3 gets them to the playoffs and they predictably fall short. For the Knicks its progress. For CP3, its torture.

Knixkik wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:Give em Randle, DSJ, and a 2023 2nd rounder. That’s it.

why those 2 ?

If you believe the rumors, they're going to try and move Randle in any move involving large salaries. I'm hearing Knox's name a lot too. We haven't heard anything one way or another on DSJ, except that one rumor that Frank is being pencilled in as the starter. DSJ appears to be on the outs, but who knows what Thibs is thinking at this point.

I don't know where that rumor came from but i did see this

The New York Knicks' hire of Tom Thibodeau this offseason should give at least one player at Madison Square Garden reason to perk up.

According to SNY.tv's Ian Begley, Thibodeau was previously "enamored" with guard Dennis Smith Jr. coming out of college and scouted him during the predraft process in 2017.

Smith would wind up falling to the Dallas Mavericks with the No. 9 pick as the then-Thibodeau-coached Minnesota Timberwolves swapped picks with the Chicago Bulls, landing the No. 16 overall selection as a result of the Jimmy Butler trade. The Bulls received the No. 7 pick from Minnesota in the deal and took Lauri Markkanen.

DSJ seems more in line with some of the pg's Thibs had and likes, athletic, scoring, fast, bull dog, aggressive type, that is the complete opposite of frank.

If your going to trade randle, hopefully it would be for another PF, we have no one at that position if you trade him for a pg

I agree. None of the PF free agent candidates out there are a sure thing in terms of our ability to sign them. As for DSJ, there's no way to tell what they are thinking. Yeah, he has the highest ceiling at the PG position, but he also might've played worse than Knox last season. Thibs also played a number of years with Kirk Hinrich too. Can't lock into what Thibs is thinking now.

While I do think it's fair to say that no FA PF is a sure thing, I think there is a high probability we end up with Gallinari. He's a CAA guy, can shoot, has shown an openness to return here, I don't see OKC retaining him for the money he wants, and he sort of fits the veteran presence/culture change piece that makes a lot of sense here and is a good fit. For all of those reasons I think there is a very good chance we sign him. Rose is likely friends with his agent and has probably already had an off-the-record conversation with him about Gallinari.

The other day I tried to put together a pragmatic list of decent FA players (maybe in TT's insufferable mediocre category, but still).

I have to concur, Gallinnari is a likely candidate who might sign. I have Wood and Saric as others.

Marcus Morris, Avery Bradley, DeMarre Carroll, Crowder, Iwandu, Reggie Jackson, and Dragic were also on that list strictly based on the Thibs playbook.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:
I can see TT’s logic for bringing in Paul. Still do not think it is worth giving up picks or Knox for that (not ready to give up on Knox yet, he is young and can still improve).

you should never be worried about giving up on a player when you can replace him with some one better. When denver realize Mudiay wasn't it, they drafted murry, when dallas realize DSJ wasn't it, they drafted luka.

There are much better players, with much better potential then the ones we got. Our young player are well below avg and you should be willing to trade anyone of them for someone better

Any specific names you have in mind? Can you say who they are? Someone young who is or will be better than Knox can ever hope of becoming?

It certainly ain’t CP3, for whom ppl a proposing to trade Knox, he is too old already and will not be part of the Knicks’ long term future.

Hate to sound like Mr Redundancy but Thybulle in Philly and Portland's Nassar Little are two SF prospects who I'd trade for in a heartbeat.

fwk00 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:
you should never be worried about giving up on a player when you can replace him with some one better. When denver realize Mudiay wasn't it, they drafted murry, when dallas realize DSJ wasn't it, they drafted luka.

There are much better players, with much better potential then the ones we got. Our young player are well below avg and you should be willing to trade anyone of them for someone better

Any specific names you have in mind? Can you say who they are? Someone young who is or will be better than Knox can ever hope of becoming?

It certainly ain’t CP3, for whom ppl a proposing to trade Knox, he is too old already and will not be part of the Knicks’ long term future.

Hate to sound like Mr Redundancy but Thybulle in Philly and Portland's Nassar Little are two SF prospects who I'd trade for in a heartbeat.

I do not know much about either player, but statistically Knox has been way better than they. Plus, both are 6'5", which is okay height for a shooting guard, but tad small for a forward, and Knox is what, 6'9"?

Nalod wrote:Is RJ a SF or SG?

I think like Jimmy Butler or Iguodala he's really either, but for some reason I see him as more of a SF going forward. I think with the type of players that compliment him, it’s more likely to be a pure SG. But Barrett is a wing and interchangeable between those positions.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:
you should never be worried about giving up on a player when you can replace him with some one better. When denver realize Mudiay wasn't it, they drafted murry, when dallas realize DSJ wasn't it, they drafted luka.

There are much better players, with much better potential then the ones we got. Our young player are well below avg and you should be willing to trade anyone of them for someone better

Any specific names you have in mind? Can you say who they are? Someone young who is or will be better than Knox can ever hope of becoming?

It certainly ain’t CP3, for whom ppl a proposing to trade Knox, he is too old already and will not be part of the Knicks’ long term future.

Hate to sound like Mr Redundancy but Thybulle in Philly and Portland's Nassar Little are two SF prospects who I'd trade for in a heartbeat.

I do not know much about either player, but statistically Knox has been way better than they. Plus, both are 6'5", which is okay height for a shooting guard, but tad small for a forward, and Knox is what, 6'9"?

Brandon Ingram, Gordon Hayward,DeMar DeRozan, Will Barton,Bojan Bogdanovic, Joe Ingles, Kelly Oubre Jr, OG Anunoby, Duncan Robinson, TJ. Warren.

I would take anyone of them over knox right now, especially if im trading for cp

fwk00 wrote:
I like your thinking and the rationale makes some sense. I think the difference is that CP3 minutes represent 1/5 of the minutes available at the PG spot. CP3 would not be relieving anyone based on this theory. And because the Knicks are rebuilding its hard to imagine that he'd both want to be here and could thrive here.

If I were imagining how it might play out, the next logical goal for *this* Knicks team will be to make the playoffs. Miracles can and do happen but that's very very unlikely. So let's say CP3 gets them to the playoffs and they predictably fall short. For the Knicks its progress. For CP3, its torture.

I remember David West, leaving 12mil on the table, just to hook up with a playoff team, just to get that ring. CP3 has those same desires. Why does he spend his last years babysitting a team that's more than a couple of years away from the playoffs? The ring is always the goal.