Knicks · Stop the Chris Paul bs (page 7)
HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOnIf we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things
Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player
Nothing else needs to be said?
Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.
Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr
Can you be totally honest with me.
wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.
Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.
I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.
Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)
I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.
Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?
It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop
So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.
I agree and disagree.
RJ and MR have been working on their shooting and last year Payton favored Randle over RJ so we are basing some of our analysis on skewed data. Both of them will be better.
You are correct about CP3's impact - its a distraction from building chemistry.
That said, CP3 to NY seems like a deal done in the backrooms of the NBA.
OKC actually has assets. The NBA's problem is that CP3 is a poster boy that no one can afford gracefully with the exception of the Knicks (more or less). My guess is that we get knowingly and willingly mugged in the trade. It will begin the eventual process of dismissing this FO. A permanent thread on UK.
knicks1248 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOnIf we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things
Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player
Nothing else needs to be said?
Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.
Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr
Can you be totally honest with me.
wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.
Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.
I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.
Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)
I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.
Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?
It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop
So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.
Young mean young fringe players like Mudiay, THJ, Vonleh, DSJ, Frank, portis, Henzonja. Or are you thinking of trading with a team that are willing to trade their most promising players.
The knicks are not exactly a FA destination unless you love $$$ over winning, which has been the case with the knicks for a while now.
You want young players that have no real leadership on the roster (how's that been working so far)
You can take a chance on some 2nd or 3rd tier player who's coming off a great season in his contract yr (im sure you seen that movie before)
Even after hearing testimony from several young players and veterans confirming the impact CP has had on their development, and his stout Leadership, you continue to ignore every positive thing CP brings all because of his contract which will expires roughly 17 months after the season starts..
A chance to have one of the top 10 guards currently in the NBA (even at his age) is a bad move in your eyes because because his contract will prevent us from signing WHO?
CP3 has a bad reputation for personality. He may or may not attract others. But what would be the FA argument?
"I'm here collecting my last checks. Sign up! I won't be here long."
fwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOnIf we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things
Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player
Nothing else needs to be said?
Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.
Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr
Can you be totally honest with me.
wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.
Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.
I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.
Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)
I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.
Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?
It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop
So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.
Young mean young fringe players like Mudiay, THJ, Vonleh, DSJ, Frank, portis, Henzonja. Or are you thinking of trading with a team that are willing to trade their most promising players.
The knicks are not exactly a FA destination unless you love $$$ over winning, which has been the case with the knicks for a while now.
You want young players that have no real leadership on the roster (how's that been working so far)
You can take a chance on some 2nd or 3rd tier player who's coming off a great season in his contract yr (im sure you seen that movie before)
Even after hearing testimony from several young players and veterans confirming the impact CP has had on their development, and his stout Leadership, you continue to ignore every positive thing CP brings all because of his contract which will expires roughly 17 months after the season starts..
A chance to have one of the top 10 guards currently in the NBA (even at his age) is a bad move in your eyes because because his contract will prevent us from signing WHO?
CP3 has a bad reputation for personality. He may or may not attract others. But what would be the FA argument?
"I'm here collecting my last checks. Sign up! I won't be here long."
well can you give a realistic option instead of CP
A player thats putting up his #s, and playing at his level, has his leadership skills, has his resume, is well respected through out the league, from players to coaches, who fits Thibs style.
I want you to name a player in this league that a team would be willing to trade to us, that brings those qualities.
knicks1248 wrote:fwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOnIf we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things
Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player
Nothing else needs to be said?
Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.
Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr
Can you be totally honest with me.
wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.
Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.
I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.
Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)
I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.
Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?
It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop
So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.
Young mean young fringe players like Mudiay, THJ, Vonleh, DSJ, Frank, portis, Henzonja. Or are you thinking of trading with a team that are willing to trade their most promising players.
The knicks are not exactly a FA destination unless you love $$$ over winning, which has been the case with the knicks for a while now.
You want young players that have no real leadership on the roster (how's that been working so far)
You can take a chance on some 2nd or 3rd tier player who's coming off a great season in his contract yr (im sure you seen that movie before)
Even after hearing testimony from several young players and veterans confirming the impact CP has had on their development, and his stout Leadership, you continue to ignore every positive thing CP brings all because of his contract which will expires roughly 17 months after the season starts..
A chance to have one of the top 10 guards currently in the NBA (even at his age) is a bad move in your eyes because because his contract will prevent us from signing WHO?
CP3 has a bad reputation for personality. He may or may not attract others. But what would be the FA argument?
"I'm here collecting my last checks. Sign up! I won't be here long."
well can you give a realistic option instead of CP
A player thats putting up his #s, and playing at his level, has his leadership skills, has his resume, is well respected through out the league, from players to coaches, who fits Thibs style.
I want you to name a player in this league that a team would be willing to trade to us, that brings those qualities.
There isn’t one. An alternative would be a stopgap like Augustin who can shoot, run an offense, and has had success with thibs. Then next year signing mike Conley as an outright FA while drafting someone to develop behind him. That’s the closest alternative I see.
knicks1248 wrote:fwk00 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOnIf we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things
Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player
Nothing else needs to be said?
Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.
Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr
Can you be totally honest with me.
wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.
Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.
I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.
Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)
I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.
Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?
It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop
So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.
Young mean young fringe players like Mudiay, THJ, Vonleh, DSJ, Frank, portis, Henzonja. Or are you thinking of trading with a team that are willing to trade their most promising players.
The knicks are not exactly a FA destination unless you love $$$ over winning, which has been the case with the knicks for a while now.
You want young players that have no real leadership on the roster (how's that been working so far)
You can take a chance on some 2nd or 3rd tier player who's coming off a great season in his contract yr (im sure you seen that movie before)
Even after hearing testimony from several young players and veterans confirming the impact CP has had on their development, and his stout Leadership, you continue to ignore every positive thing CP brings all because of his contract which will expires roughly 17 months after the season starts..
A chance to have one of the top 10 guards currently in the NBA (even at his age) is a bad move in your eyes because because his contract will prevent us from signing WHO?
CP3 has a bad reputation for personality. He may or may not attract others. But what would be the FA argument?
"I'm here collecting my last checks. Sign up! I won't be here long."
well can you give a realistic option instead of CP
A player thats putting up his #s, and playing at his level, has his leadership skills, has his resume, is well respected through out the league, from players to coaches, who fits Thibs style.
I want you to name a player in this league that a team would be willing to trade to us, that brings those qualities.
You are asking the wrong question. And the reason you are asking the wrong question is because you have a confirmation bias against the PGs we already have an inside track on.
CP3's value is like the whack-a-mole game - depends on who you ask and what the expectation is.
1.) He's a fine PG. He's the most expensive PG in the league. He's older. He has never won anything despite being on loaded teams.
So what does this bring us - an experienced PG who will eat the minutes a long term PG could learn from, he will eliminate our cap space, he'll be brittle due to age, he will lose here more than he's used to but the Knicks will win more than in recent years (maybe).
An alternative? Yes there's Augustine just because some fans will lose their cookies if there isn't a replacement PG.
But there's also other cost-effective ways to shore up the PG backup position - say, Reggie Jackson who would be inexpensive but potentially interesting based on his OKC years.
2.) He's a mentor. Soooo smart.
Alternatives? The existing development staff. Or filling 5 - 7 bench positions with experienced players.
3.) He's the -cough- high-profile poster player who will open the door to high-profile FA signings.
Alternatives? Reality. The right FA will eventually sign.
knicks1248 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOnIf we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things
Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player
Nothing else needs to be said?
Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.
Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr
Can you be totally honest with me.
wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.
Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.
I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.
Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)
I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.
Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?
It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop
So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.
Young mean young fringe players like Mudiay, THJ, Vonleh, DSJ, Frank, portis, Henzonja. Or are you thinking of trading with a team that are willing to trade their most promising players.
The knicks are not exactly a FA destination unless you love $$$ over winning, which has been the case with the knicks for a while now.
You want young players that have no real leadership on the roster (how's that been working so far)
You can take a chance on some 2nd or 3rd tier player who's coming off a great season in his contract yr (im sure you seen that movie before)
Even after hearing testimony from several young players and veterans confirming the impact CP has had on their development, and his stout Leadership, you continue to ignore every positive thing CP brings all because of his contract which will expires roughly 17 months after the season starts..
A chance to have one of the top 10 guards currently in the NBA (even at his age) is a bad move in your eyes because because his contract will prevent us from signing WHO?
I would trade for him too. Its worth it for the impact on the young players. We would have to find out if he is open to it first
Is this the core for a playoff team?
PLAYER 2020/21 Cap Hit
Taj Gibson $9,450,000
Wayne Ellington $8,000,000
Elfrid Payton $8,000,000
RJ Barrett $8,231,760
Frank Ntilikina $6,176,578
Dennis Smith $5,686,677
Reggie Bullock $4,200,000
Mitchell Robinson $1,663,861
Ignas Brazdeikis $1,517,981
CP3 $41,358,814
2020 First Round Pick $5,000,000
Cap Hit (Noah) $6,431,666
Alternatively the Knicks can waive Gibson, Ellington, Payton and Bullock by Oct 17 and take $1M Cap hit each. This would leave them at ~$35M to sign a higher level FA (or 2) and fill out the remaining roster spots. They would need a starting quality PF among other significant positional gaps. They could retain Bullock as a back-up SF at a reasonable price which would keep them above $30M in cap space.
With 1 or 2 appropriate FA signings, this scenario appears to give the team a better chance at a lower tier playoff spot, but would likely take the Knicks out of contention for a much stronger 2021 FA market signing.
PLAYER 2020/21 Cap Hit
RJ Barrett $8,231,760
Frank Ntilikina $6,176,578
Dennis Smith $5,686,677
Mitchell Robinson $1,663,861
Reggie Bullock $4,200,000
Ignas Brazdeikis $1,517,981
CP3 $41,358,814
2020 First Round Pick $5,000,000
Cap Hit (Noah) $6,431,666
Cap Hit (Waivers) $3,000,000
Jmpasq wrote:knicks1248 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOnIf we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things
Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player
Nothing else needs to be said?
Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.
Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr
Can you be totally honest with me.
wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.
Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.
I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.
Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)
I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.
Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?
It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop
So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.
Young mean young fringe players like Mudiay, THJ, Vonleh, DSJ, Frank, portis, Henzonja. Or are you thinking of trading with a team that are willing to trade their most promising players.
The knicks are not exactly a FA destination unless you love $$$ over winning, which has been the case with the knicks for a while now.
You want young players that have no real leadership on the roster (how's that been working so far)
You can take a chance on some 2nd or 3rd tier player who's coming off a great season in his contract yr (im sure you seen that movie before)
Even after hearing testimony from several young players and veterans confirming the impact CP has had on their development, and his stout Leadership, you continue to ignore every positive thing CP brings all because of his contract which will expires roughly 17 months after the season starts..
A chance to have one of the top 10 guards currently in the NBA (even at his age) is a bad move in your eyes because because his contract will prevent us from signing WHO?
I would trade for him too. Its worth it for the impact on the young players. We would have to find out if he is open to it first
The question isn't whether we should trade for him, but how much we should give up in a deal. OKC wants to clear cap space AND get a first-round pick. From the Knicks standpoint, they're not really in a position to give up picks. We're one of the few teams that can help out OKC financially. If they want more, let them go out and find a better deal. I'm guessing they'll come back to the table. If not, then we just go ahead and sign another placeholder at PG. The truth is Chris Paul alone doesn't make us a playoff team. Even if he does, it's only for a year at most.
BigDaddyG wrote:Jmpasq wrote:knicks1248 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOnIf we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things
Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player
Nothing else needs to be said?
Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.
Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr
Can you be totally honest with me.
wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.
Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.
I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.
Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)
I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.
Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?
It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop
So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.
Young mean young fringe players like Mudiay, THJ, Vonleh, DSJ, Frank, portis, Henzonja. Or are you thinking of trading with a team that are willing to trade their most promising players.
The knicks are not exactly a FA destination unless you love $$$ over winning, which has been the case with the knicks for a while now.
You want young players that have no real leadership on the roster (how's that been working so far)
You can take a chance on some 2nd or 3rd tier player who's coming off a great season in his contract yr (im sure you seen that movie before)
Even after hearing testimony from several young players and veterans confirming the impact CP has had on their development, and his stout Leadership, you continue to ignore every positive thing CP brings all because of his contract which will expires roughly 17 months after the season starts..
A chance to have one of the top 10 guards currently in the NBA (even at his age) is a bad move in your eyes because because his contract will prevent us from signing WHO?
I would trade for him too. Its worth it for the impact on the young players. We would have to find out if he is open to it first
The question isn't whether we should trade for him, but how much we should give up in a deal. OKC wants to clear cap space AND get a first-round pick. From the Knicks standpoint, they're not really in a position to give up picks. We're one of the few teams that can help out OKC financially. If they want more, let them go out and find a better deal. I'm guessing they'll come back to the table. If not, then we just go ahead and sign another placeholder at PG. The truth is Chris Paul alone doesn't make us a playoff team. Even if he does, it's only for a year at most.
We can assume the logic of them wanting to clear cap, but we really don't know what they want/need. That they moved on from Donovan and he wanted to as well say's a lot but no explanation. Financially they could be really screwed and Billy thought the best was to move on to new city with more stable situation? Was it the players? Rebuilding? Perhaps personally wanted a change of scenery?
Presti's job is to get max value but sometimes the outcome is what matters. They have a lot of picks but they are heavily protected. Its currency and the best they could do in a situation where PG and CP were not going to get it done. Rare a COTY walks on an expiring deal. NO drama too!!!
I wonder if BIlly would have been a good fit in MSG with Leon. Im happy enough with what we got with Thibs.
As we look right now a CP3 addition to knicks seems illogical. Perhaps by game one the roster make up might say something completely different.
HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Jmpasq wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We legitimately don’t even know what we have with current players. We have not one lock player — meaning I know this guys good. Build through draft and smart acquisition like MIAMi and BOStOnIf we hired a compete team draft team we could have a team filled with great players right now— but we did nutso things
Now we have note of a team assembled. Need to acquire good players to fit——NOT pay another tram for a 36 going on 37 year old player
Nothing else needs to be said?
Dont like the K. Knox rumors, I aint doing that trade what 12 yrs younger ? than CP3.
Who cares what the age difference is if Knox is awful. That being said im not trading anything for Paul. I would take him for Randle and Dsjr
Can you be totally honest with me.
wtf is the difference between knox and dsj, they were both brutally bad, but at least dsj had death and injuries as a hinderance.
Both of them suffered because of horrendous coaching, terrible preparation, a terrible work ethic, lack of a true role, lack of consistent minutes.
I already know that if knox was traded from dallas and DSJ was drafted by the knicks, Knox would be killed on this board by the homers as well.
Whats reality is that none of the knicks young player are good, have much value (despite being lottery picks)
I am so tired of wrecking good coaches careers with the bull sht players the FO hands them.
Question for you. We trade for CP3. What is our line up look like for the next couple of years before he leaves? What exactly does that accomplish?
It makes us a playoff team next 2 seasons while RJ, Mitch and whoever we draft at 8 develop
So RJ, with his shooting. MR, with his foul trouble and lack of shooting. And a 36 year old CP3 gets us to the playoffs?
Ok? I disagree and this is also the reason why I think there is no way he comes here unless Rose breaks up the roster, trades draft picks and adds several FA's. A move I have seen many times before. With not much to show for in the long run. But lets assume I am wrong. So we get Paul and he gets us the 8th of 7th seed. We go on to lose in the first round for the next two years. Then what? Would seem like a better long term plan to add pieces that would actually help us past a year or two. I would rather see the Knicks use their cap space on young fringe players that can help build something long term. Not old vets on overpriced contracts. Would also continue to keep and use the many draft picks we have. As we have seen over and over again in the draft, the more picks you have the better chances you have of picking someone that is actually worth a damn. Also think that a cheaper Vet at guard can accomplish just about the same with this group. Without giving up all that has been rumored.Now if OKC is willing to give us draft picks or assets to take on CP3 contract then maybe. But feel that will not happen as they have few assets and there will be several better positioned "Win Now" teams that can use him.
Disagree all you want Paul and a good pick at 8 like Vassell plus a stretch 4 like Bertans makes us a playoff team next year - if there is a year
foosballnick wrote:Assuming a $115M Cap for 2020 and a trade of Randal, Knox and the Dallas 1st Rounder for CP3.....Knicks will have the following roster with ~$9.2M in remaining cap space & mid-level exception to fill out the remaining 4 roster spots.Is this the core for a playoff team?
PLAYER 2020/21 Cap Hit
Taj Gibson $9,450,000
Wayne Ellington $8,000,000
Elfrid Payton $8,000,000
RJ Barrett $8,231,760
Frank Ntilikina $6,176,578
Dennis Smith $5,686,677
Reggie Bullock $4,200,000
Mitchell Robinson $1,663,861
Ignas Brazdeikis $1,517,981
CP3 $41,358,814
2020 First Round Pick $5,000,000
Cap Hit (Noah) $6,431,666Alternatively the Knicks can waive Gibson, Ellington, Payton and Bullock by Oct 17 and take $1M Cap hit each. This would leave them at ~$35M to sign a higher level FA (or 2) and fill out the remaining roster spots. They would need a starting quality PF among other significant positional gaps. They could retain Bullock as a back-up SF at a reasonable price which would keep them above $30M in cap space.
With 1 or 2 appropriate FA signings, this scenario appears to give the team a better chance at a lower tier playoff spot, but would likely take the Knicks out of contention for a much stronger 2021 FA market signing.
PLAYER 2020/21 Cap Hit
RJ Barrett $8,231,760
Frank Ntilikina $6,176,578
Dennis Smith $5,686,677
Mitchell Robinson $1,663,861
Reggie Bullock $4,200,000
Ignas Brazdeikis $1,517,981
CP3 $41,358,814
2020 First Round Pick $5,000,000
Cap Hit (Noah) $6,431,666
Cap Hit (Waivers) $3,000,000
In the East? Yes
Believe Paul and Melo would treat the team like it belonged to them. Like another version of KD and Kyrie, but older.
Then you factor in Thibs. He has his own ideas. Sounds like another backpage soap opera in the making. Im hoping Rose can do better than bringing in his aging clients, former clients. Thats when we'll know if Rose's background will really pay dividends. If he's going to go that route, Rose needs to think bigger.
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I always said melo was going to be the better team player in the latter years of his career
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You did? when he went to OKC or when he when to the Rockets?
Or when he was the 3rd option on a good Blazer team?
Here the logic BTW: At his age he had to get into better shape. He did.
HE had to pinkie swear after his awful OKC and Rocket exertions to be a Blazer is had to be a “better team player, if not he gets the boot”. So basically your full of shit.
Buddy can score and will certainly be a trade piece in the future. Would rather have him then give up Knox for CP3.
I think Melo will ultimately sign a minimum deal with the Lakers. He’s spot up shooting is still good and those guys get wide open threes. He would have been a real asset for them.
GustavBahler wrote:There is a story on the front page that guesses that Melo might be inclined to come back to NY if Paul is traded to NY. That sounds so classic Knicks. Believe someone once called it a "star-phuch".Believe Paul and Melo would treat the team like it belonged to them. Like another version of KD and Kyrie, but older.
Then you factor in Thibs. He has his own ideas. Sounds like another backpage soap opera in the making. Im hoping Rose can do better than bringing in his aging clients, former clients. Thats when we'll know if Rose's background will really pay dividends. If he's going to go that route, Rose needs to think bigger.
Melo and Paul have only been talking about getting together in NYC for 10 years
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Click here to view the TweetI always said melo was going to be the better team player in the latter years of his career
Melo is a 4 in today’s nba. It helps because his lack of quickness and effort on defense can be masked more if he’s a PF. The guy can still shoot
I’d love to see him and Paul together on the Knicks next season
It has really helped him have a resurgent career. One that lasted about 50 games, then a 4 month layoff, then 8 games and one good round oof the playoffs. Good for him.
Why then suggest he’d be a good PF?
He was the 3rd option on a good team. One was a top 5 guard (Lillard) and a near allstar in Mcallaem. The team as it stands at this moment and given his offensive talent makes him the 1st option.
Maybe we change the make up of the team. Melo and Paul talked about playing together 10 years ago? That ship left the dock a long time ago. Melo should stay in Rip City, Off the bench in Denver, Lakers, Suns.......really go home in DC, and perhaps sign with the Nets.
Nalod wrote:Melo lost weight to gain quickness. As he has gotten older he has moved away from the rim and battering that inflicts on the body.
It has really helped him have a resurgent career. One that lasted about 50 games, then a 4 month layoff, then 8 games and one good round oof the playoffs. Good for him.
Why then suggest he’d be a good PF?
He was the 3rd option on a good team. One was a top 5 guard (Lillard) and a near allstar in Mcallaem. The team as it stands at this moment and given his offensive talent makes him the 1st option.
Maybe we change the make up of the team. Melo and Paul talked about playing together 10 years ago? That ship left the dock a long time ago. Melo should stay in Rip City, Off the bench in Denver, Lakers, Suns.......really go home in DC, and perhaps sign with the Nets.
Melo played the 4 on the blazers. He’s a 4 in today’s small ball 3 point fest nba
If Melo and Paul wanted to play together it indicates they like eachother and probably still do. If we trade for Paul it increases the likelihood Melo comes back here
Nalod wrote:Melo lost weight to gain quickness. As he has gotten older he has moved away from the rim and battering that inflicts on the body.
It has really helped him have a resurgent career. One that lasted about 50 games, then a 4 month layoff, then 8 games and one good round oof the playoffs. Good for him.
Why then suggest he’d be a good PF?
He was the 3rd option on a good team. One was a top 5 guard (Lillard) and a near allstar in Mcallaem. The team as it stands at this moment and given his offensive talent makes him the 1st option.
Maybe we change the make up of the team. Melo and Paul talked about playing together 10 years ago? That ship left the dock a long time ago. Melo should stay in Rip City, Off the bench in Denver, Lakers, Suns.......really go home in DC, and perhaps sign with the Nets.
Really the 4th option if you want to count Nurkic.
Here we go again. It seems like the knicks already gave an offer to OKC that they like, its just needs Rose's final yes. A week after promoting the idea of acquiring undesirable contracts for assets that made a lot of fans happy. They make a U-turn and zero in on CP3 once more. The rumored trade seems to be:
Payton
frank
Knox
3 second round pics
For
CP3
Wow! Its just infuriating! They should give the knicks 2 first round picks for cp3. Knowing the luck of the Knicks, this deal might turn out to be a T-mac or McDyess outcome. Rose, just kill the deal already.