Kennard was on the verge of a breakout season before knee troubles. He's a very good shooter that makes a lot of threes at 40% and also has some secondary playmaking ability. He basically offers a similar skillset to Tyler Herro only obviously he's older (24) so he has less upside. Still, 24 is a young enough to build with the core, and coming off the injury and only one year until free agency he can probably be had for a late 1st round pick (either LAC or a Dallas pick) and maybe one of our second rounders in 2021. He was being shopped at the trade deadline for a first round pick from phoenix but they couldn't agree on the protections so the deal fell through. Also, he's a CAA client. Any interest?
Knixkik wrote:Kennard was on the verge of a breakout season before knee troubles. He's a very good shooter that makes a lot of threes at 40% and also has some secondary playmaking ability. He basically offers a similar skillset to Tyler Herro only obviously he's older (24) so he has less upside. Still, 24 is a young enough to build with the core, and coming off the injury and only one year until free agency he can probably be had for a late 1st round pick (either LAC or a Dallas pick) and maybe one of our second rounders in 2021. He was being shopped at the trade deadline for a first round pick from phoenix but they couldn't agree on the protections so the deal fell through. Also, he's a CAA client. Any interest?
he has one year left on his deal, then option, then we would have to pay to keep him. So, I think I'd rather keep our firsts. WE do have a pretty decent 2nd rounder though and I would trade that simply because we need outside shooting.
Would people consider getting him for Frank straight up?
ESOMKnicks wrote:Would people consider getting him for Frank straight up?
maybe if the Pistons bring back Isiah Thomas
https://www.nba.com/pistons/chatmailbox/...
Derek Moore (@SportsLunatic): Will Luke Kennard be moved via trade before the season opener?Langlois: I’d bet against it. I get why there is so much speculation about Kennard’s availability and trade value. It all has to do with the circumstances. He’s a productive young player with an elite and coveted skill as a 40 percent 3-point shooter who can get that shot off on his own to a degree. Couple that with the fact he’s entering the final year of his rookie contract and playing for an organization at something of a crossroads, the Pistons having declared with last winter’s trade of Andre Drummond that they were hitting the reset button. But the reasons Kennard would be attractive to any number of teams also makes him valuable to the Pistons. They need shooters and playmakers just like anybody else. Because of the rebuilding aspect for the Pistons, there’s a tipping point past which the return for him – some combination of draft assets and existing talent – might make a deal too sensible to pass up. Whether that type of deal presents itself for the Pistons is a significant unknowable. The other major variable is how the economic impact of an interrupted season – one completed without fans and taking place at an unfamiliar spot on the calendar – will affect the free-agent market and what the spillover impact of that will be on the trade market. If teams are more restrained than usual in free agency, then it could mean they’ll more actively look to satisfy their needs via trade. We are about to enter the great unknown, the first step of which will be whatever guideposts the owners and players establish when they sit down to amend the collective bargaining agreement to acknowledge their current reality.
I tell you what - I might trade both of our first rounders this year for him - just a question of how you feel about his knees:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...
He was putting up 15 points, shooting 40% from 3. I doubt we find a player that can do that in the draft this year- just based on what folks have said about the draft this year, and recent knick history (Knox, Frank)
franco12 wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Would people consider getting him for Frank straight up?
maybe if the Pistons bring back Isiah Thomas
https://www.nba.com/pistons/chatmailbox/...
Then we must have really f'ed it up with picking Frank in the 2017 draft.
franco12 wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Would people consider getting him for Frank straight up?
maybe if the Pistons bring back Isiah Thomas
https://www.nba.com/pistons/chatmailbox/...
Derek Moore (@SportsLunatic): Will Luke Kennard be moved via trade before the season opener?Langlois: I’d bet against it. I get why there is so much speculation about Kennard’s availability and trade value. It all has to do with the circumstances. He’s a productive young player with an elite and coveted skill as a 40 percent 3-point shooter who can get that shot off on his own to a degree. Couple that with the fact he’s entering the final year of his rookie contract and playing for an organization at something of a crossroads, the Pistons having declared with last winter’s trade of Andre Drummond that they were hitting the reset button. But the reasons Kennard would be attractive to any number of teams also makes him valuable to the Pistons. They need shooters and playmakers just like anybody else. Because of the rebuilding aspect for the Pistons, there’s a tipping point past which the return for him – some combination of draft assets and existing talent – might make a deal too sensible to pass up. Whether that type of deal presents itself for the Pistons is a significant unknowable. The other major variable is how the economic impact of an interrupted season – one completed without fans and taking place at an unfamiliar spot on the calendar – will affect the free-agent market and what the spillover impact of that will be on the trade market. If teams are more restrained than usual in free agency, then it could mean they’ll more actively look to satisfy their needs via trade. We are about to enter the great unknown, the first step of which will be whatever guideposts the owners and players establish when they sit down to amend the collective bargaining agreement to acknowledge their current reality.
I tell you what - I might trade both of our first rounders this year for him - just a question of how you feel about his knees:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...
He was putting up 15 points, shooting 40% from 3. I doubt we find a player that can do that in the draft this year- just based on what folks have said about the draft this year, and recent knick history (Knox, Frank)
May take these guys a couple of years to hit 40%
Aaron Nesimith
Saddiq Bey
Desmond Bane
martin wrote:franco12 wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Would people consider getting him for Frank straight up?
maybe if the Pistons bring back Isiah Thomas
https://www.nba.com/pistons/chatmailbox/...
Derek Moore (@SportsLunatic): Will Luke Kennard be moved via trade before the season opener?Langlois: I’d bet against it. I get why there is so much speculation about Kennard’s availability and trade value. It all has to do with the circumstances. He’s a productive young player with an elite and coveted skill as a 40 percent 3-point shooter who can get that shot off on his own to a degree. Couple that with the fact he’s entering the final year of his rookie contract and playing for an organization at something of a crossroads, the Pistons having declared with last winter’s trade of Andre Drummond that they were hitting the reset button. But the reasons Kennard would be attractive to any number of teams also makes him valuable to the Pistons. They need shooters and playmakers just like anybody else. Because of the rebuilding aspect for the Pistons, there’s a tipping point past which the return for him – some combination of draft assets and existing talent – might make a deal too sensible to pass up. Whether that type of deal presents itself for the Pistons is a significant unknowable. The other major variable is how the economic impact of an interrupted season – one completed without fans and taking place at an unfamiliar spot on the calendar – will affect the free-agent market and what the spillover impact of that will be on the trade market. If teams are more restrained than usual in free agency, then it could mean they’ll more actively look to satisfy their needs via trade. We are about to enter the great unknown, the first step of which will be whatever guideposts the owners and players establish when they sit down to amend the collective bargaining agreement to acknowledge their current reality.
I tell you what - I might trade both of our first rounders this year for him - just a question of how you feel about his knees:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...
He was putting up 15 points, shooting 40% from 3. I doubt we find a player that can do that in the draft this year- just based on what folks have said about the draft this year, and recent knick history (Knox, Frank)
May take these guys a couple of years to hit 40%
Aaron Nesimith
Saddiq Bey
Desmond Bane
And that is true - there are really good prospects. I'm just thinking that our track record isn't great drafting - nor, is it trades - and with our luck, Luke turns into McDyess 2.0. Or is that 4.0 at this stage!?
ESOMKnicks wrote:Would people consider getting him for Frank straight up?
It would likely take Frank and a 1st round pick.
Knixkik wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Would people consider getting him for Frank straight up?
It would likely take Frank and a 1st round pick.
Frank and a second sounds like a deal that would satisfy both sides. Of course, this means that there's a good chance we're looking at a Payton/DSJ point guard rotation next year.
Nah give em Knox instead and throw in a first rounder
Scratch that I forgot he dosent play D. Yeah Frank for Kennard only and maybe a 2nd rounder.
on the prospect front, I would rather Knox than Kennard... it's not that Knox has been good, but I think everyone see the 'what if' potential. That's why even though he has stunk there is interest
I would definitely rather keep Frank... he's improved. He showed enough end of last season for me to be more interested in Frank than Kennard.
I would trade DSJ for Kennard yesterday
BigDaddyG wrote:Knixkik wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Would people consider getting him for Frank straight up?
It would likely take Frank and a 1st round pick.
Frank and a second sounds like a deal that would satisfy both sides. Of course, this means that there's a good chance we're looking at a Payton/DSJ point guard rotation next year.
We won't resign Payton. More than likely we will at least add a PG that can shoot well enough, like DJ Augustin or Jeff Teague as a stopgap. That's if we don't go with a rookie PG or trade for Chris Paul. There's a less than 1% chance our PG rotation is the same as last year.
I think people are overrating Kennard here... yes, he has a sweet shot, but I think he's way more Hubert Davis than Ray Allen or Allan Houston
It is interesting how the Knicks last season actually signed several good 3 point shooters. Morris had been of the league's best marksmen, Bullock / Ellington also regarded as long-distance specialists, Portis was supposed to be a stretch 5. Yet here we are still, needing shooters. Maybe it takes breaking up our current brick-laying logjam at PG. Kennard has some playmaking ability, so giving up a PG for him may be workable.
BigDaddyG wrote:Knixkik wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Would people consider getting him for Frank straight up?
It would likely take Frank and a 1st round pick.
Frank and a second sounds like a deal that would satisfy both sides. Of course, this means that there's a good chance we're looking at a Payton/DSJ point guard rotation next year.
You really think Peyton will be around, why would they keep him?
ESOMKnicks wrote:It is interesting how the Knicks last season actually signed several good 3 point shooters. Morris had been of the league's best marksmen, Bullock / Ellington also regarded as long-distance specialists, Portis was supposed to be a stretch 5. Yet here we are still, needing shooters. Maybe it takes breaking up our current brick-laying logjam at PG. Kennard has some playmaking ability, so giving up a PG for him may be workable.
I agree, we did add shooting role players. But the line-up itself was really clogged with non-shooters. Barrett, Mitch, and Randle line-ups aren't ideal, but maybe they can work if you have an elite shooting wing and PG. If Randle can just get to 35% from 3pt and hit 1.5 a game than he can open things up. But as we have seen in the play-offs, you can't survive with a starting PG that can't shoot. I think just replacing Payton with DJ Augustin for explain makes a huge difference.
ESOMKnicks wrote:It is interesting how the Knicks last season actually signed several good 3 point shooters. Morris had been of the league's best marksmen, Bullock / Ellington also regarded as long-distance specialists, Portis was supposed to be a stretch 5. Yet here we are still, needing shooters. Maybe it takes breaking up our current brick-laying logjam at PG. Kennard has some playmaking ability, so giving up a PG for him may be workable.
Knicks constantly had 2 or more players on the court that couldn't shoot. All the defense has to do is go under picks for those guys, lay off and give them the 3 point shot, and keep an eye on the 1 or 2 shooting threats. It's a damn miracle Morris shot 40% and more from downtown consistently given the other guys who were on the court.
For most of the year: Taj, Randle, Morris, RJ, Elfrid. 1 guy you really have to worry about and just pack the paint.
martin wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:It is interesting how the Knicks last season actually signed several good 3 point shooters. Morris had been of the league's best marksmen, Bullock / Ellington also regarded as long-distance specialists, Portis was supposed to be a stretch 5. Yet here we are still, needing shooters. Maybe it takes breaking up our current brick-laying logjam at PG. Kennard has some playmaking ability, so giving up a PG for him may be workable.
Knicks constantly had 2 or more players on the court that couldn't shoot. All the defense has to do is go under picks for those guys, lay off and give them the 3 point shot, and keep an eye on the 1 or 2 shooting threats. It's a damn miracle Morris shot 40% and more from downtown consistently given the other guys who were on the court.
For most of the year: Taj, Randle, Morris, RJ, Elfrid. 1 guy you really have to worry about and just pack the paint.
definitely facts
Which is why Randle look like a fumbling bumbling clown at times. That dude had little to no room to operate.
The biggest issue was no dribble penetration, and lack of a pg that can shoot 35+% from 3 consistently.
dsj/peton/frank/rj..which on of those dude is bringing the ball up court and draining a 30 footer.
Kennard does not fix our shooting issues unless there's a pg that can put pressure on the defense, and guys that are willing passers that will move the ball like a hot potato
knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Knixkik wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Would people consider getting him for Frank straight up?
It would likely take Frank and a 1st round pick.
Frank and a second sounds like a deal that would satisfy both sides. Of course, this means that there's a good chance we're looking at a Payton/DSJ point guard rotation next year.
You really think Peyton will be around, why would they keep him?
I don't, but that's what the Knicks would be looking at right now. As we learned last year, trade and FA rumors are meaningless.
