Note: I expect toppin/Hayes to be gone. Haliburton is not a good fit.
Kira
Bey/tillie
Quickley/joe/mason jones
Vassel
Tillie/mcdaniels
Quickley/joe/Jones
Okoro
Riller/flyn
Joe/jones
trade down to add picks with our first pick nesmith. Kira would be gone.
Trade up for advija, ball or wiseman (my least favorite scenario)
Trading for Westbrook (worse than the above idea) great for entertainment, generating revenue and to finish 8th.
My list is deficient of 4s because I believe we will pick up a veteran stretch 4 in free agency.also we have wooten already.
Also i expect a veteran pg to be signed
Trade back with boston pick up #14 and #20 pick!!! n pick the best players
8th pick- 1) Nesmith 2) Kira 3) Vassell
27th - Tre Jones
38th- Not smart enough to know anyone this low.
Allanfan20 wrote:8th pick- 1) Nesmith 2) Kira 3) Vassell
27th - Tre Jones
38th- Not smart enough to know anyone this low.
i'm kind of in this camp too. at 27 i can also imagine an active bigger body who plays defense
If we are trading for westbrook for DSJ or Frank and players on team options then I want nesmith at 8 and trade 27 and 36 for a mid first rounder--get BPA.
If we aren't trading for westbrook - okoro or vessell.
I’m happy with one of Nesmith Halliburton or Okoro.
Pick 27. We need a big man.Zeke Nnaji
Pick 38 Payton Pritchard
At 8 BPA - any of Vassell, Okoro, Haliburton, Advida, Ball work for me
At 27, I need quality - Terry, Nesmith, or Carey would be who I target even if this pick needs to be traded up to do it
at 36, I need to roll the dice on an older player who can fill out the bench Scrubb,Madar,Nwora,Elleby,Quickly all work
xblvdels3 wrote:Note: I expect toppin/Hayes to be gone. Haliburton is not a good fit. Kira
Bey/tillie
Quickley/joe/mason jones
Vassel
Tillie/mcdaniels
Quickley/joe/Jones
Okoro
Riller/flyn
Joe/jones
trade down to add picks with our first pick nesmith. Kira would be gone.
Trade up for advija, ball or wiseman (my least favorite scenario)
Trading for Westbrook (worse than the above idea) great for entertainment, generating revenue and to finish 8th.
My list is deficient of 4s because I believe we will pick up a veteran stretch 4 in free agency.also we have wooten already.
Also i expect a veteran pg to be signed
Why don't you think Haliburton is a good fit? He's one of the better shooters in the draft and can play either guard position and play on or off the ball. I think he's a great fit. He's my top choice at this point still if he's there. My guess is we end up with Haliburton or Vassell because both are CAA clients, both are versatile and can play in a variety of lineups. When you have a rebuilding situation and so many unknowns, I think line-up versatility is very important and either of these players offer that. In order to go with a PG, the front office will have to really fall in love with a prospect like Lewis or Hayes in order to draft either. They have to be extra confident this is the PG of the future and essentially are ruling out future moves for VanVleet, Westbrook, Conley etc. So unless they feel one of those guys is a future star, the safe bet is the multi-position guy.
Knixkik wrote:xblvdels3 wrote:Note: I expect toppin/Hayes to be gone. Haliburton is not a good fit. Kira
Bey/tillie
Quickley/joe/mason jones
Vassel
Tillie/mcdaniels
Quickley/joe/Jones
Okoro
Riller/flyn
Joe/jones
trade down to add picks with our first pick nesmith. Kira would be gone.
Trade up for advija, ball or wiseman (my least favorite scenario)
Trading for Westbrook (worse than the above idea) great for entertainment, generating revenue and to finish 8th.
My list is deficient of 4s because I believe we will pick up a veteran stretch 4 in free agency.also we have wooten already.
Also i expect a veteran pg to be signed
Why don't you think Haliburton is a good fit? He's one of the better shooters in the draft and can play either guard position and play on or off the ball. I think he's a great fit. He's my top choice at this point still if he's there. My guess is we end up with Haliburton or Vassell because both are CAA clients, both are versatile and can play in a variety of lineups. When you have a rebuilding situation and so many unknowns, I think line-up versatility is very important and either of these players offer that. In order to go with a PG, the front office will have to really fall in love with a prospect like Lewis or Hayes in order to draft either. They have to be extra confident this is the PG of the future and essentially are ruling out future moves for VanVleet, Westbrook, Conley etc. So unless they feel one of those guys is a future star, the safe bet is the multi-position guy.
I think Hal is probably going to play mostly off ball in the beginning. His shooting form, judging from the time we last saw him play organized ball, is too slow and he's going to have some trouble shooting of the dribble. As a bench player, I think he can fit right in on most roster's. As a starter, I think he'll need a few years. Vassell, at least as of now, is a two-guard in most lineups offensively. He'll need some time to fill out and improve his handle. Okoro needs to improve his shooting and Obi might be the worst defense player I've seen in the lottery in recent history.. All of the guys in our range have serious questions and it's going to take time for all of them.
Kira Lewis is the guy I believe has the most upside and best fits both the needs and the coaching.
Hayes or Halliburton. After that a coin toss on the names mentioned.
If the knicks will get Westbrook;
A. Hope obi drops at 8, trade 27 and 38 for mid teens pick for maxey then trade for Hayward or LaVine
Or
B. Draft Okoro or Vassell at 8, package 27 and 38 for maxey and trade for Aaron Gordon or markkenen
Knixkik wrote:xblvdels3 wrote:Note: I expect toppin/Hayes to be gone. Haliburton is not a good fit. Kira
Bey/tillie
Quickley/joe/mason jones
Vassel
Tillie/mcdaniels
Quickley/joe/Jones
Okoro
Riller/flyn
Joe/jones
trade down to add picks with our first pick nesmith. Kira would be gone.
Trade up for advija, ball or wiseman (my least favorite scenario)
Trading for Westbrook (worse than the above idea) great for entertainment, generating revenue and to finish 8th.
My list is deficient of 4s because I believe we will pick up a veteran stretch 4 in free agency.also we have wooten already.
Also i expect a veteran pg to be signed
Why don't you think Haliburton is a good fit? He's one of the better shooters in the draft and can play either guard position and play on or off the ball. I think he's a great fit. He's my top choice at this point still if he's there. My guess is we end up with Haliburton or Vassell because both are CAA clients, both are versatile and can play in a variety of lineups. When you have a rebuilding situation and so many unknowns, I think line-up versatility is very important and either of these players offer that. In order to go with a PG, the front office will have to really fall in love with a prospect like Lewis or Hayes in order to draft either. They have to be extra confident this is the PG of the future and essentially are ruling out future moves for VanVleet, Westbrook, Conley etc. So unless they feel one of those guys is a future star, the safe bet is the multi-position guy.
He might have a great percentage but is that form of his really going to work in the NBA? I’ll give you the defense and passing and athleticism but that form is going to become a problem.
dwiley20 wrote:Trade back with boston pick up #14 and #20 pick!!! n pick the best players
It's picks 14 and 26 actually.
If we stay @ 8
Haliburton, if he drops. Hal is a winner and is the type of player you need to have if your intent is to build a winning culture. People question his form, but unlike Lonzo Ball, his shot goes in. Sure, he'll need to tweak a little in order to shoot off the dribble but he knows how to find the hole.
If Haliburton isn't there, I'm cool with Okoro or Nesmith (would trade back but think he doesn't make it past 12). If you guys watched Miami advance through the playoffs, Duncan Robinson ability to run off screens opened-up a lot of gaps for his teammates because he would drag multiple defenders to his side of the floor. Nesmith can do the same. In addition, Nesmith is stronger than Robinson, so he should be able to get to the basket and finsih through contact. The more film I watch, the more intrigued I am by his potential.
If we trade back, with a team like Orlando, then grab Kira or Maxey.
@ 27 Desmond Bane
@ 38 Quickley or Grant Riller
martin wrote:Uptown wrote:dwiley20 wrote:Trade back with boston pick up #14 and #20 pick!!! n pick the best players
It's picks 14 and 26 actually.
And I'd want #30 too.
I might push for a future protected pick. This draft isn't that good to take on a sudden influx of first-rounders at once. They'll just take up cap space.
Allanfan20 wrote:Knixkik wrote:xblvdels3 wrote:Note: I expect toppin/Hayes to be gone. Haliburton is not a good fit. Kira
Bey/tillie
Quickley/joe/mason jones
Vassel
Tillie/mcdaniels
Quickley/joe/Jones
Okoro
Riller/flyn
Joe/jones
trade down to add picks with our first pick nesmith. Kira would be gone.
Trade up for advija, ball or wiseman (my least favorite scenario)
Trading for Westbrook (worse than the above idea) great for entertainment, generating revenue and to finish 8th.
My list is deficient of 4s because I believe we will pick up a veteran stretch 4 in free agency.also we have wooten already.
Also i expect a veteran pg to be signed
Why don't you think Haliburton is a good fit? He's one of the better shooters in the draft and can play either guard position and play on or off the ball. I think he's a great fit. He's my top choice at this point still if he's there. My guess is we end up with Haliburton or Vassell because both are CAA clients, both are versatile and can play in a variety of lineups. When you have a rebuilding situation and so many unknowns, I think line-up versatility is very important and either of these players offer that. In order to go with a PG, the front office will have to really fall in love with a prospect like Lewis or Hayes in order to draft either. They have to be extra confident this is the PG of the future and essentially are ruling out future moves for VanVleet, Westbrook, Conley etc. So unless they feel one of those guys is a future star, the safe bet is the multi-position guy.
He might have a great percentage but is that form of his really going to work in the NBA? I’ll give you the defense and passing and athleticism but that form is going to become a problem.
He shot the ball very deep in college. As a catch and shoot player he will have no problems with his shot. As a playmaker, yes, he won't be an elite pullup threat, so it lowers his floor from potential star to elite role player. But drafting at 8 i'm okay with that. He's a plug in play player whoever you sign/trade for etc. He can start right away at the 2 or play off the bench as a combo guard. He's really the perfect fit for Atl so I would expect them to take him if they stay pat, but if they trade out or something he could fall to us and is a good fit with Barrett and Mitch as a great passer, spot up threat, and team defender all being very transferrable skills.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Uptown wrote:dwiley20 wrote:Trade back with boston pick up #14 and #20 pick!!! n pick the best players
It's picks 14 and 26 actually.
And I'd want #30 too.
I might push for a future protected pick. This draft isn't that good to take on a sudden influx of first-rounders at once. They'll just take up cap space.
This draft is not good at the very top but is kinda flat all the way from 10-35 ish.
Picks 20-30 make $2M and less, it's not cap space.
martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Uptown wrote:dwiley20 wrote:Trade back with boston pick up #14 and #20 pick!!! n pick the best players
It's picks 14 and 26 actually.
And I'd want #30 too.
I might push for a future protected pick. This draft isn't that good to take on a sudden influx of first-rounders at once. They'll just take up cap space.
This draft is not good at the very top but is kinda flat all the way from 10-35 ish.
Picks 20-30 make $2M and less, it's not cap space.
Also roster spots. I think a future first-rounder probably helps us out more in trades.
Knixkik wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:Knixkik wrote:xblvdels3 wrote:Note: I expect toppin/Hayes to be gone. Haliburton is not a good fit. Kira
Bey/tillie
Quickley/joe/mason jones
Vassel
Tillie/mcdaniels
Quickley/joe/Jones
Okoro
Riller/flyn
Joe/jones
trade down to add picks with our first pick nesmith. Kira would be gone.
Trade up for advija, ball or wiseman (my least favorite scenario)
Trading for Westbrook (worse than the above idea) great for entertainment, generating revenue and to finish 8th.
My list is deficient of 4s because I believe we will pick up a veteran stretch 4 in free agency.also we have wooten already.
Also i expect a veteran pg to be signed
Why don't you think Haliburton is a good fit? He's one of the better shooters in the draft and can play either guard position and play on or off the ball. I think he's a great fit. He's my top choice at this point still if he's there. My guess is we end up with Haliburton or Vassell because both are CAA clients, both are versatile and can play in a variety of lineups. When you have a rebuilding situation and so many unknowns, I think line-up versatility is very important and either of these players offer that. In order to go with a PG, the front office will have to really fall in love with a prospect like Lewis or Hayes in order to draft either. They have to be extra confident this is the PG of the future and essentially are ruling out future moves for VanVleet, Westbrook, Conley etc. So unless they feel one of those guys is a future star, the safe bet is the multi-position guy.
He might have a great percentage but is that form of his really going to work in the NBA? I’ll give you the defense and passing and athleticism but that form is going to become a problem.
He shot the ball very deep in college. As a catch and shoot player he will have no problems with his shot. As a playmaker, yes, he won't be an elite pullup threat, so it lowers his floor from potential star to elite role player. But drafting at 8 i'm okay with that. He's a plug in play player whoever you sign/trade for etc. He can start right away at the 2 or play off the bench as a combo guard. He's really the perfect fit for Atl so I would expect them to take him if they stay pat, but if they trade out or something he could fall to us and is a good fit with Barrett and Mitch as a great passer, spot up threat, and team defender all being very transferrable skills.
I see Haliburton having problems similar to Lonzo shooting from three. Can you imagine him winding up with Mitch flying at him? Not completely closed off to move, but the fan base will need to temper expectations.
