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NYKBocker wrote:Thibs interviewed at the NBA Combine

Feel good about this , Thibs knows we need shooters ......

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1. Cade Cunningham
2. Jalen Green
3. Evan Mobley
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. Davion Mitchell
8. Keon Johnson
9. Franz Wagner
10. Corey Kispert
11. Isaiah Jackson
12. Jalen Johnson
13. Josh Giddey
14. James Bouknight

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The Ringer

1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Suggs
4. Jalen Green
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Keon Johnson
7. Davion Mitchell
8. Franz Wagner
9. Alperen Sengun
10. Kai Jones
11. Scottie Barnes
12. Jalen Johnson
13. Corey Kispert
14. Josh Giddey

Last updated: June 23
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1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Green
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. James Bouknight
8. Josh Giddey
9. Keon Johnson
10. Franz Wagner
11. Moses Moody
12. Alperen Sengun
13. Davion Mitchell
14. Usman Garuba

Last updated: June 23
SI.com

1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Green
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. Davion Mitchell
8. James Bouknight
9. Franz Wagner
10. Keon Johnson
11. Corey Kispert
12. Alperen Sengun
13. Josh Giddey
14. Jalen Johnson

Last updated: June 23
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1. Cade Cunningham
2. Jalen Green
3. Evan Mobley
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. Davion Mitchell
8. Keon Johnson
9. Kai Jones
10. Josh Giddey
11. Corey Kispert
12. James Bouknight
13. Moses Moody
14. Jalen Johnson

Last updated: June 23
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1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Suggs
4. Jalen Green
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. Franz Wagner
8. Davion Mitchell
9. Jalen Johnson
10. Keon Johnson
11. Moses Moody
12. Josh Giddey
13. James Bouknight
14. Corey Kispert

Last updated: June 22
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1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Green
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. Keon Johnson
8. Franz Wagner
9. Alperen Sengun
10. Davion Mitchell
11. Isaiah Jackson
12. Moses Moody
13. Josh Giddey
14. Corey Kispert

Last updated: May 10
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1. Cade Cunningham
2. Jalen Suggs
3. Evan Mobley
4. Jalen Green
5. Jonathan Kuminga
6. Scottie Barnes
7. Davion Mitchell
8. Moses Moody
9. Keon Johnson
10. Tre Mann
11. Josh Giddey
12. Isaiah Jackson
13. Franz Wagner
14. Alperen Sengun

Last updated: June 23
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1. Cade Cunningham
2. Evan Mobley
3. Jalen Green
4. Jalen Suggs
5. Scottie Barnes
6. Jonathan Kuminga
7. Jalen Johnson
8. Keon Johnson
9. Moses Moody
10. James Bouknight
11. Franz Wagner
12. Jaden Springer
13. Davion Mitchell
14. Josh Giddey

Last updated: June 22
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BillTheButcher wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Thibs interviewed at the NBA Combine

Feel good about this , Thibs knows we need shooters ......

can't be one dimensional tho.

i think we saw so many one dimensional shooters really get exposed these playoffs. joe harris. luke kennard. all those jazz players. etc.

same is true with only defensive players like thybulle and alot of knicks.

they have to be able to do 2 of the following: shoots, playmake, play defense. if they can only do one of those things, then it needs to be playmaking. shooters only or defenders only are really easy to exploit in the playoffs. they'll work in the regular season tho.

and if it comes down to a player that can shoot with a little defense or a defender with a little shooting...always choose the offensive player. this league is built on offense.

djsunyc wrote:

BillTheButcher wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Thibs interviewed at the NBA Combine

Feel good about this , Thibs knows we need shooters ......

can't be one dimensional tho.

i think we saw so many one dimensional shooters really get exposed these playoffs. joe harris. luke kennard. all those jazz players. etc.

same is true with only defensive players like thybulle and alot of knicks.

they have to be able to do 2 of the following: shoots, playmake, play defense. if they can only do one of those things, then it needs to be playmaking. shooters only or defenders only are really easy to exploit in the playoffs. they'll work in the regular season tho.

and if it comes down to a player that can shoot with a little defense or a defender with a little shooting...always choose the offensive player. this league is built on offense.

Yup I've been saying this. Atlanta's 3&D guys outclassed us because not only could they shoot, they could be secondary playmakers while also being able to get shots at the rim.

TPercy wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

BillTheButcher wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Thibs interviewed at the NBA Combine

Feel good about this , Thibs knows we need shooters ......

can't be one dimensional tho.

i think we saw so many one dimensional shooters really get exposed these playoffs. joe harris. luke kennard. all those jazz players. etc.

same is true with only defensive players like thybulle and alot of knicks.

they have to be able to do 2 of the following: shoots, playmake, play defense. if they can only do one of those things, then it needs to be playmaking. shooters only or defenders only are really easy to exploit in the playoffs. they'll work in the regular season tho.

and if it comes down to a player that can shoot with a little defense or a defender with a little shooting...always choose the offensive player. this league is built on offense.

Yup I've been saying this. Atlanta's 3&D guys outclassed us because not only could they shoot, they could be secondary playmakers while also being able to get shots at the rim.

In that case if Bouknight isn’t there Scottie Barnes and Jalen Johnson should be the picks. Maybe Zaire. Scottie and Jalen aren’t good shooters but if they learn too they can do everything else. Zaire is a great form shooter and shows flashes of being able to do everything else.

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djsunyc wrote:

BillTheButcher wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Thibs interviewed at the NBA Combine

Feel good about this , Thibs knows we need shooters ......

can't be one dimensional tho.

i think we saw so many one dimensional shooters really get exposed these playoffs. joe harris. luke kennard. all those jazz players. etc.

same is true with only defensive players like thybulle and alot of knicks.

they have to be able to do 2 of the following: shoots, playmake, play defense. if they can only do one of those things, then it needs to be playmaking. shooters only or defenders only are really easy to exploit in the playoffs. they'll work in the regular season tho.

and if it comes down to a player that can shoot with a little defense or a defender with a little shooting...always choose the offensive player. this league is built on offense.

Fo sho ...

TPercy wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

BillTheButcher wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Thibs interviewed at the NBA Combine

Feel good about this , Thibs knows we need shooters ......

can't be one dimensional tho.

i think we saw so many one dimensional shooters really get exposed these playoffs. joe harris. luke kennard. all those jazz players. etc.

same is true with only defensive players like thybulle and alot of knicks.

they have to be able to do 2 of the following: shoots, playmake, play defense. if they can only do one of those things, then it needs to be playmaking. shooters only or defenders only are really easy to exploit in the playoffs. they'll work in the regular season tho.

and if it comes down to a player that can shoot with a little defense or a defender with a little shooting...always choose the offensive player. this league is built on offense.

Yup I've been saying this. Atlanta's 3&D guys outclassed us because not only could they shoot, they could be secondary playmakers while also being able to get shots at the rim.

Right on mane .....

I can’t believe he is projected to go anywhere from 21-mid second round

He looks like a top 10 talent. If we stand pat or move up he’s really becoming my choice pick .

fitzfarm wrote:In my option I think Miles McBride is the steal of the draft. Look at his scoring ability he has elite balance and quickness . 40% last year from three. When you watch his play it looks like he can get what ever he wants when ever he wants even some post up! His kinda game is what flourishes in today’s nba … I have dreams about a McBride, quick backcourt .

I can’t believe he is projected to go anywhere from 21-mid second round

He looks like a top 10 talent. If we stand pat or move up he’s really becoming my choice pick .

fitzfarm wrote:In my option I think Miles McBride is the steal of the draft. Look at his scoring ability he has elite balance and quickness . 40% last year from three. When you watch his play it looks like he can get what ever he wants when ever he wants even some post up! His kinda game is what flourishes in today’s nba … I have dreams about a McBride, quick backcourt .

I can’t believe he is projected to go anywhere from 21-mid second round

He looks like a top 10 talent. If we stand pat or move up he’s really becoming my choice pick .

Love this guy at #32 in exactly the role you are suggesting. Don't know if he will last there, lots of teams at back end of first round that may pounce for a backup who can defend/shoot/run offense at low price.

I don't see lottery talent as you do. Does he have the high level play making ability with enough break down ability? I can't tell

Kudos to this pick

martin wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:In my option I think Miles McBride is the steal of the draft. Look at his scoring ability he has elite balance and quickness . 40% last year from three. When you watch his play it looks like he can get what ever he wants when ever he wants even some post up! His kinda game is what flourishes in today’s nba … I have dreams about a McBride, quick backcourt .

I can’t believe he is projected to go anywhere from 21-mid second round

He looks like a top 10 talent. If we stand pat or move up he’s really becoming my choice pick .

Love this guy at #32 in exactly the role you are suggesting. Don't know if he will last there, lots of teams at back end of first round that may pounce for a backup who can defend/shoot/run offense at low price.

I don't see lottery talent as you do. Does he have the high level play making ability with enough break down ability? I can't tell

Kudos to this pick

This guy is a top notch scoring PG he has the ability to break down defenses and open up the floor for everyone else and you can’t leave him open he’ll kill you from 3, he’s a 4 tool offensive player, shooter not just deadly from 3 his mid range is top notch, can create his own shot, post up, finisher .. look at his balance and footwork he can get whatever he wants on offense you never see him off balance and his speed is elite .

I’d pick him at 19 so another team doesn’t steal him away … I really can’t think of another prospect that can offer what he can at 19 … he might be this years Donovan Mitchell . You can’t pass him up.

With that said I heard he’s climbing fast he’s showing that he can play defense, one thing that was holding him in the late first round .

Clean wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:In my option I think Miles McBride is the steal of the draft. Look at his scoring ability he has elite balance and quickness . 40% last year from three. When you watch his play it looks like he can get what ever he wants when ever he wants even some post up! His kinda game is what flourishes in today’s nba … I have dreams about a McBride, quick backcourt .

I can’t believe he is projected to go anywhere from 21-mid second round

He looks like a top 10 talent. If we stand pat or move up he’s really becoming my choice pick .

OK, this guy looks like a baller to me. How good are his passing skills?

4.9 assists last year I’d think you could add a few for NBA play

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Players Moving Up
While projected first-rounders sat out the five-on-five portion, it did offer some players who were firmly thought of as second-rounders or worse a chance to show their wares. Several of them made very positive impressions.

The most notable was VCU guard Nah’Shon “Bones” Hyland, who dominated the opening minutes of the first scrimmage — the time when the majority of scouts are paying rapt attention and hadn’t yet turned to their phones or the guy behind them to chitchat — and finished with 17 points, five rebounds and four assists in the one game he played.

Hyland stood out not just for this box score, but for his eye test. When he got bigs on switches, he blew past them, leaving himself acres of space to finish at the rim. It’s pretty easy to envision Lou Williams-type bench scorer scenarios for him, especially after he measured with a 6-9 wingspan, and he may have played himself into the back end of the first round.

The athletic and physical testing also provided a chance for some players to upgrade their stock, even if they didn’t play on the court. One of the big winners here was Gonzaga forward Corey Kispert, whose athleticism was questioned coming into the event. Measuring 6-6 in socks and posting a solid 30-inch no-step vertical, a 2.99 shuttle time that was 0.01 from topping the camp and a solid 3.12 sprint allayed a lot of those concerns — and probably cemented the Zags’ sharpshooter as a lottery pick.

Other notables who helped their stock this week:

Tennessee guard Keon Johnson didn’t play in the games but uncorked an eye-popping 41.5-inch no-step vertical and a ridiculous 48-inch max vertical, which set a combine record. The no-step vertical is generally considered the more useful of the two, and to put it in context, Johnson’s was 4.5 inches higher than any other player tested this week. For good measure, he ripped off a 3.00 sprint time, nearly the fastest at the camp. Johnson measured short, at just 6-3 ¾ in socks, but one suspects he literally jumped into the top 10.
Iowa wing Joe Wieskamp was seen by most as a late second-rounder and reportedly was still on the fence about whether to stay in the draft at all. Not anymore. Wieskamp had 26 points and 10 rebounds on the second day of the five-on-five, posted a respectable 30-inch no-step vertical and an impressive 42-inch max leap and tore off a 3.04 sprint time. He still has to clean up his game off the dribble a bit and didn’t have an assist in either game, but he made 8 of 13 3-point attempts after shooting 46.2 percent on 3s this year, making it easy for scouts to envision him as a potential Duncan Robinson. Listed at 6-6 without shoes, Wieskamp also helped his evaluation by recording a 6-11 wingspan.
Houston guard Quentin Grimes scored 39 points over the two games and made nine of his 16 3-pointers. Flying under the radar for much of the year, much as his team did (the Cougars went 28-4 and made the Final Four, but didn’t get the same ink as the Dukes and Carolinas), the 6-5 Grimes improved to 40.3 percent from 3 this past season after struggling in his first two college seasons. His shooting performance this weekend makes it easier to buy the improvement and likely locks him in as a mid-second-rounder or better.
Texas center Jericho Sims has never been asked to score and often played second fiddle to more prominent talent (he was Mo Bamba’s backup as a freshman, for instance). Nonetheless, he always brought defense and rim running to the Longhorns, and his performance in the combine made it clear he can fill the same role in the pros. Sims made 14 of his 19 shots from the field, mostly alley-oops and rim runs for dunks while showing obvious physical traits for the next level. Underscoring that latter point, Sims measured with a 7-3 ¼ wingspan and had the second-best no-step vertical (37 inches).
South Carolina guard A.J. Lawson wasn’t even invited to this event at first but played his way in with a fantastic showing at the G-League Elite camp. He kept it up here, posting the camp’s fastest sprint time (2.98) to go with a 33-inch no-step vert, while on the court recording 17 points, seven rebounds and seven assists in the late game on Friday. He also helped his stock by measuring 6-5 ½ in socks, albeit with just a 6-6¾ wingspan. He likely played himself into the top 50 on draft boards.
Pitt forward Justin Champagnie had better stat lines than his game tape as a collegian, but he showed the same ability to fill the stat sheet in the two combine games, totaling 28 points and 20 boards. Worries that he would measure short weren’t quite as bad as feared — he’s 6-5 ¾ in socks with a 6-9 ½ wingspan — but combined with a 27-inch no-step vert and a 3.34 sprint, it probably puts a cap on his stock. Nonetheless, one has to think Champagnie cemented himself in Round 2 at worst.
Florida State forward Scottie Barnes has worked his way into the top five conversation, and his testing won’t hurt any. Barnes measured 6-7 in socks with a monstrous 7-2 ¾ wingspan, and he uncorked a 36-inch no-step vertical.
Arkansas guard Moses Moody, Florida guard Scottie Lewis and West Virginia guard Miles McBride also measured with absurd “+8” wingspans — eight inches longer than their height in shoes. Most pros are about +3 or +4.

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martin wrote:Related to the newly released Supreme Court decision just a little while ago?

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