TheGame wrote:The Knicks should have given Frank a 2-3 year extension in the $5-$8 mill a year range. Hopefully, Quickley is the starter next year and Frank could have been a backup at the 1, 2, or 3 spots. Cheap for a quality 3 and D guy. Since it looks like DSJr and Quickley are going to take a lot of Frank’s minutes, he might not have a great year but still I would have given him a extension.
Where do you get the "quality 3" part from, exactly? 4 years in the league and he's doesn't even qualify to be in the top 150. He just doesn't shoot it enough. I love the D, and agree they should have extended him on the cheap, but let's not go crazy here on 4 preseason games. And wasn't he just injured again?
Nobody in the NBA would have given him an extension. One 20 point game that came in his 177th game played (including prseason, which he's never played in all of those) out of 178 game. That's just unheard of in the NBA, and what make matters worse for FRANK, all of the losing.
Quickly score 20 in his 2nd game.
jrodmc wrote:TheGame wrote:The Knicks should have given Frank a 2-3 year extension in the $5-$8 mill a year range. Hopefully, Quickley is the starter next year and Frank could have been a backup at the 1, 2, or 3 spots. Cheap for a quality 3 and D guy. Since it looks like DSJr and Quickley are going to take a lot of Frank’s minutes, he might not have a great year but still I would have given him a extension.
Where do you get the "quality 3" part from, exactly? 4 years in the league and he's doesn't even qualify to be in the top 150. He just doesn't shoot it enough. I love the D, and agree they should have extended him on the cheap, but let's not go crazy here on 4 preseason games. And wasn't he just injured again?
He’s going into his 4th season he hasn’t played 4 seasons yet. Has only played 2 preseason games. Thibs and the coaching staff should know through practice when evaluating him. He hasn’t played enough so far this season for us fans to come to any conclusions though. Also Quickley if he is able to maintain what he has done. Opens up things for a lot of players. Frank just like most of the roster has needed a guard like him to play off of.
newyorknewyork wrote:jrodmc wrote:TheGame wrote:The Knicks should have given Frank a 2-3 year extension in the $5-$8 mill a year range. Hopefully, Quickley is the starter next year and Frank could have been a backup at the 1, 2, or 3 spots. Cheap for a quality 3 and D guy. Since it looks like DSJr and Quickley are going to take a lot of Frank’s minutes, he might not have a great year but still I would have given him a extension.
Where do you get the "quality 3" part from, exactly? 4 years in the league and he's doesn't even qualify to be in the top 150. He just doesn't shoot it enough. I love the D, and agree they should have extended him on the cheap, but let's not go crazy here on 4 preseason games. And wasn't he just injured again?
He’s going into his 4th season he hasn’t played 4 seasons yet. Has only played 2 preseason games. Thibs and the coaching staff should know through practice when evaluating him. He hasn’t played enough so far this season for us fans to come to any conclusions though. Also Quickley if he is able to maintain what he has done. Opens up things for a lot of players. Frank just like most of the roster has needed a guard like him to play off of.
It's a reason rookies get their extensions after 3 season, it's because at that point you know what you have in that player, and that players role has been established for the most part.
Some of you think I hate this kid, but i'm very disappointed in frank. I look at Faulk and how he came in the league a complete mess headed for complete draft bust status, and look at him now (72 mill extension)..Frank should be our starting PG considering how high we drafted him, but i think he's headed back over seas next season
knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:jrodmc wrote:TheGame wrote:The Knicks should have given Frank a 2-3 year extension in the $5-$8 mill a year range. Hopefully, Quickley is the starter next year and Frank could have been a backup at the 1, 2, or 3 spots. Cheap for a quality 3 and D guy. Since it looks like DSJr and Quickley are going to take a lot of Frank’s minutes, he might not have a great year but still I would have given him a extension.
Where do you get the "quality 3" part from, exactly? 4 years in the league and he's doesn't even qualify to be in the top 150. He just doesn't shoot it enough. I love the D, and agree they should have extended him on the cheap, but let's not go crazy here on 4 preseason games. And wasn't he just injured again?
He’s going into his 4th season he hasn’t played 4 seasons yet. Has only played 2 preseason games. Thibs and the coaching staff should know through practice when evaluating him. He hasn’t played enough so far this season for us fans to come to any conclusions though. Also Quickley if he is able to maintain what he has done. Opens up things for a lot of players. Frank just like most of the roster has needed a guard like him to play off of.
It's a reason rookies get their extensions after 3 season, it's because at that point you know what you have in that player, and that players role has been established for the most part.
Some of you think I hate this kid, but i'm very disappointed in frank. I look at Faulk and how he came in the league a complete mess headed for complete draft bust status, and look at him now (72 mill extension)..Frank should be our starting PG considering how high we drafted him, but i think he's headed back over seas next season
I don’t have a problem with them not extending him. Because again no conclusions can really be made at this point. Didn’t have a real training camp. Only has 4 preseason games where he played 2. So when talking about committing money and years. It’s pretty logical right now to play it out.
But if he does end up leaving for nothing then that will also be a misstep from management. Because if they brought in these other players because they didn’t believe in him. And he gets buried or inconsistent mins off the bench. If that is the plan then they should have traded him for some type of asset. Because he wouldn’t have a real role here and they wouldn’t be increasing his value. They pretty much would just be sitting on him and letting him go which makes no sense.
Also Ingram who just dropped like 30ppg was a restricted FA this past offseason. So even if productive still happens regularly . For all we know they offered him a low salaries extension but he choose to bet on himself.
newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:jrodmc wrote:TheGame wrote:The Knicks should have given Frank a 2-3 year extension in the $5-$8 mill a year range. Hopefully, Quickley is the starter next year and Frank could have been a backup at the 1, 2, or 3 spots. Cheap for a quality 3 and D guy. Since it looks like DSJr and Quickley are going to take a lot of Frank’s minutes, he might not have a great year but still I would have given him a extension.
Where do you get the "quality 3" part from, exactly? 4 years in the league and he's doesn't even qualify to be in the top 150. He just doesn't shoot it enough. I love the D, and agree they should have extended him on the cheap, but let's not go crazy here on 4 preseason games. And wasn't he just injured again?
He’s going into his 4th season he hasn’t played 4 seasons yet. Has only played 2 preseason games. Thibs and the coaching staff should know through practice when evaluating him. He hasn’t played enough so far this season for us fans to come to any conclusions though. Also Quickley if he is able to maintain what he has done. Opens up things for a lot of players. Frank just like most of the roster has needed a guard like him to play off of.
It's a reason rookies get their extensions after 3 season, it's because at that point you know what you have in that player, and that players role has been established for the most part.
Some of you think I hate this kid, but i'm very disappointed in frank. I look at Faulk and how he came in the league a complete mess headed for complete draft bust status, and look at him now (72 mill extension)..Frank should be our starting PG considering how high we drafted him, but i think he's headed back over seas next season
I don’t have a problem with them not extending him. Because again no conclusions can really be made at this point. Didn’t have a real training camp. Only has 4 preseason games where he played 2. So when talking about committing money and years. It’s pretty logical right now to play it out.
But if he does end up leaving for nothing then that will also be a misstep from management. Because if they brought in these other players because they didn’t believe in him. And he gets buried or inconsistent mins off the bench. If that is the plan then they should have traded him for some type of asset. Because he wouldn’t have a real role here and they wouldn’t be increasing his value. They pretty much would just be sitting on him and letting him go which makes no sense.
I think that's the disappointing part because they didn't trade him and giving him the opportunity to come to camp and earned that spot, and once again he has an injury .
It's more than likely hard for an organization to trade an #8th pick (under his rookie contract) for a mid to late 2nd round pick.
This can be also be a good thing because there are others like Ball and Makenanan that did not receive extensions that will be in play (RFA) this off season, which the knicks will have enough to out bid anyone
Frank will be restricted. If he plays well he could remain a Knick. I thought Dennis had a qualifying offer for 21-22?
An extension for Frank did not make sense. Look at Payton. He was a starter and had two decent seasons and he got nothing in the open market.
HofstraBBall wrote:Frank will be restricted. If he plays well he could remain a Knick. I thought Dennis had a qualifying offer for 21-22?An extension for Frank did not make sense. Look at Payton. He was a starter and had two decent seasons and he got nothing in the open market.
Both Frank and Dennis were drafted back to back in same year, so same situation.
It makes zero sense for the Knicks to offer either extensions based on past performance unless players are willing to take undervalued contracts.
The play well, they will get a contract from the Knicks or a RFA contact the Knicks can match.
The only downside for the Knicks is if either over-performs and gets outrageous offers, which would be a good thing for everyone
martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Frank will be restricted. If he plays well he could remain a Knick. I thought Dennis had a qualifying offer for 21-22?An extension for Frank did not make sense. Look at Payton. He was a starter and had two decent seasons and he got nothing in the open market.
Both Frank and Dennis were drafted back to back in same year, so same situation.
It makes zero sense for the Knicks to offer either extensions based on past performance unless players are willing to take undervalued contracts.
The play well, they will get a contract from the Knicks or a RFA contact the Knicks can match.
The only downside for the Knicks is if either over-performs and gets outrageous offers, which would be a good thing for everyone
Would you rather Ball or Frank?
martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Frank will be restricted. If he plays well he could remain a Knick. I thought Dennis had a qualifying offer for 21-22?An extension for Frank did not make sense. Look at Payton. He was a starter and had two decent seasons and he got nothing in the open market.
Both Frank and Dennis were drafted back to back in same year, so same situation.
It makes zero sense for the Knicks to offer either extensions based on past performance unless players are willing to take undervalued contracts.
The play well, they will get a contract from the Knicks or a RFA contact the Knicks can match.
The only downside for the Knicks is if either over-performs and gets outrageous offers, which would be a good thing for everyone
How is that downside for anyone but Jimmie Dolan? 
And let both of them over-perform for an entire season. I wouldn't mind playoff basketball again...
knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Frank will be restricted. If he plays well he could remain a Knick. I thought Dennis had a qualifying offer for 21-22?An extension for Frank did not make sense. Look at Payton. He was a starter and had two decent seasons and he got nothing in the open market.
Both Frank and Dennis were drafted back to back in same year, so same situation.
It makes zero sense for the Knicks to offer either extensions based on past performance unless players are willing to take undervalued contracts.
The play well, they will get a contract from the Knicks or a RFA contact the Knicks can match.
The only downside for the Knicks is if either over-performs and gets outrageous offers, which would be a good thing for everyone
Would you rather Ball or Frank?
Nola can be also letting Lonzo let the market set his price. They can say they will match it and teams often are discouraged. Creates some bad feelings but its just business.
Ball might have been asking for bigger money than offered so its not always the team that initiates this.
knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Frank will be restricted. If he plays well he could remain a Knick. I thought Dennis had a qualifying offer for 21-22?An extension for Frank did not make sense. Look at Payton. He was a starter and had two decent seasons and he got nothing in the open market.
Both Frank and Dennis were drafted back to back in same year, so same situation.
It makes zero sense for the Knicks to offer either extensions based on past performance unless players are willing to take undervalued contracts.
The play well, they will get a contract from the Knicks or a RFA contact the Knicks can match.
The only downside for the Knicks is if either over-performs and gets outrageous offers, which would be a good thing for everyone
Would you rather Ball or Frank?
I'm gunning for Cade or Suggs or both with IQ and Frank off the bench.
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Frank will be restricted. If he plays well he could remain a Knick. I thought Dennis had a qualifying offer for 21-22?An extension for Frank did not make sense. Look at Payton. He was a starter and had two decent seasons and he got nothing in the open market.
Both Frank and Dennis were drafted back to back in same year, so same situation.
It makes zero sense for the Knicks to offer either extensions based on past performance unless players are willing to take undervalued contracts.
The play well, they will get a contract from the Knicks or a RFA contact the Knicks can match.
The only downside for the Knicks is if either over-performs and gets outrageous offers, which would be a good thing for everyone
Would you rather Ball or Frank?
I'm gunning for Cade or Suggs or both with IQ and Frank off the bench.
Cade could conceivably play with both. IQ can play off the ball and guard the smaller, quicker guards.
This is looking like the Knicks verse Cleveland. Brooklyn is just moving the ball with ease and GSW is looking desperate, hoping Curry is getting hot.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Frank will be restricted. If he plays well he could remain a Knick. I thought Dennis had a qualifying offer for 21-22?An extension for Frank did not make sense. Look at Payton. He was a starter and had two decent seasons and he got nothing in the open market.
Both Frank and Dennis were drafted back to back in same year, so same situation.
It makes zero sense for the Knicks to offer either extensions based on past performance unless players are willing to take undervalued contracts.
The play well, they will get a contract from the Knicks or a RFA contact the Knicks can match.
The only downside for the Knicks is if either over-performs and gets outrageous offers, which would be a good thing for everyone
Would you rather Ball or Frank?
I'm gunning for Cade or Suggs or both with IQ and Frank off the bench.
Cade could conceivably play with both. IQ can play off the ball and guard the smaller, quicker guards.
True but I'm hoping for a baller with the Dallas pick
Play Cade, RJ, another SG
