bring in bamba if DSJ is all it takes
Our coaching staff has proven their worth already. Let him spend time with Payne Thibs Woodson and Bryant and see if they can get him into form.
Welpee wrote:martin wrote:Welpee wrote:martin wrote:Welpee wrote:KnickDanger wrote:At this point I think we could just give him to them. Maybe we could get a future #2, but don't we have a couple dozen of those already?
I just edited my post, what do you think about Mo Bamba. Classic trade of two players who may benefit from a change of scenery?
Mo Bamba is coming back from not being able to play because of COVID. He makes $7.5M next year.
If you were Orlando what would you give up for DSJr who was shit last year and didn't look much better this year and is already hurt?
OK, I don't follow the Magic. Thought they just weren't playing Bamba, didn't know it was COVID related. But it's not like Bamba has been lighting it up the two years he's been there. So I think the premise remains, two disappointing lottery picks. Bamba has started only one game his whole career.
You think the Knicks want to add $7.5M to their cap next year on a player who would be a backup?
With all of the expiring contracts we have I don't see it as an issue. And we're paying Noel $5M this year to be a backup. So I don't see how his salary is a problem and $7.5M for a backup (with upside) is not outrageous. And we'll need a backup center, right? We'll have to pay somebody to serve in that role.
I don't mean to sound so flippant but Brock Aller would spit out his coffee and then laugh in your face if you said something like that to him
You just throw stuff on the wall and hope it sticks? Cap space should be treated like gold and not spent on contracts like Bobby Ports $15M, Wayne $10M, etc.
Mo Bamba has not at all proven himself in his first 2 years. He still needs to prove THIS YEAR that he is healthy enough to even play at an NBA level.
If he was completely healthy then maybe you think about offering him a Noel type deal around $5M cause that's the good market value of a contract for him.
If you don't really follow the Magic, you are just spit balling with your eyes closed about trading for Mo
martin wrote:Welpee wrote:martin wrote:Welpee wrote:martin wrote:Welpee wrote:KnickDanger wrote:At this point I think we could just give him to them. Maybe we could get a future #2, but don't we have a couple dozen of those already?
I just edited my post, what do you think about Mo Bamba. Classic trade of two players who may benefit from a change of scenery?
Mo Bamba is coming back from not being able to play because of COVID. He makes $7.5M next year.
If you were Orlando what would you give up for DSJr who was shit last year and didn't look much better this year and is already hurt?
OK, I don't follow the Magic. Thought they just weren't playing Bamba, didn't know it was COVID related. But it's not like Bamba has been lighting it up the two years he's been there. So I think the premise remains, two disappointing lottery picks. Bamba has started only one game his whole career.
You think the Knicks want to add $7.5M to their cap next year on a player who would be a backup?
With all of the expiring contracts we have I don't see it as an issue. And we're paying Noel $5M this year to be a backup. So I don't see how his salary is a problem and $7.5M for a backup (with upside) is not outrageous. And we'll need a backup center, right? We'll have to pay somebody to serve in that role.
I don't mean to sound so flippant but Brock Aller would spit out his coffee and then laugh in your face if you said something like that to him
You just throw stuff on the wall and hope it sticks? Cap space should be treated like gold and not spent on contracts like Bobby Ports $15M, Wayne $10M, etc.
Mo Bamba has not at all proven himself in his first 2 years. He still needs to prove THIS YEAR that he is healthy enough to even play at an NBA level.
If he was completely healthy then maybe you think about offering him a Noel type deal around $5M cause that's the good market value of a contract for him.
If you don't really follow the Magic, you are just spit balling with your eyes closed about trading for Mo
It’s a little shocking MO hasn’t become a good stretch 5 he has a great shot and can protect the paint ... wonder if it boils down to effort and BBall IQ . He’s a tantalizing prospect, I would love to get him for DSJR but big men like Mo and his potential are hard to come by ...
Sometimes it’s a head scratcher as to why players don’t develop.
martin wrote:Welpee wrote:martin wrote:Welpee wrote:martin wrote:Welpee wrote:KnickDanger wrote:At this point I think we could just give him to them. Maybe we could get a future #2, but don't we have a couple dozen of those already?
I just edited my post, what do you think about Mo Bamba. Classic trade of two players who may benefit from a change of scenery?
Mo Bamba is coming back from not being able to play because of COVID. He makes $7.5M next year.
If you were Orlando what would you give up for DSJr who was shit last year and didn't look much better this year and is already hurt?
OK, I don't follow the Magic. Thought they just weren't playing Bamba, didn't know it was COVID related. But it's not like Bamba has been lighting it up the two years he's been there. So I think the premise remains, two disappointing lottery picks. Bamba has started only one game his whole career.
You think the Knicks want to add $7.5M to their cap next year on a player who would be a backup?
With all of the expiring contracts we have I don't see it as an issue. And we're paying Noel $5M this year to be a backup. So I don't see how his salary is a problem and $7.5M for a backup (with upside) is not outrageous. And we'll need a backup center, right? We'll have to pay somebody to serve in that role.
I don't mean to sound so flippant but Brock Aller would spit out his coffee and then laugh in your face if you said something like that to him
You just throw stuff on the wall and hope it sticks? Cap space should be treated like gold and not spent on contracts like Bobby Ports $15M, Wayne $10M, etc.
Mo Bamba has not at all proven himself in his first 2 years. He still needs to prove THIS YEAR that he is healthy enough to even play at an NBA level.
If he was completely healthy then maybe you think about offering him a Noel type deal around $5M cause that's the good market value of a contract for him.
If you don't really follow the Magic, you are just spit balling with your eyes closed about trading for Mo
I admitted that I don't follow the Magic so yeah, I am spit balling. However, I'm not spit balling about the Knicks and I can't imagine Bamba being any worse than DSJ. Or Noel for that matter based on what I've seen thus far. Regarding Portis or Ellington, neither of those contracts crippled us so I'm not sure how Bamba at $7.5 for one year after this season would have that much impact on the cap. And which free agents in 2021 will be so vital to our future that Bamba at $7.5M in his last year would jeopardize?
Welpee wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Welpee wrote:Not sure if this was discussed elsewhere, but does the unfortunate ACL injury to Fultz open up an opportunity where they may have interest in trading for DSJ? I don't know what their pick situation looks like, but I would be on board for a deal to roll the dice on Mo Bamba and a pick for DSJ. Maybe even just Bamba for DSJ straight up. Isn't Bamba from NY?
Sad to hear about Fultz. He was putting it together. As for Smith, think there is no reason to sell low. What exactly is the rush? Not like he is taking a youngsters minutes. Nor is he taking minutes from everyone's favorite, Frank. Really think that Knicks should talk him into going to G League. Maybe present it as a rehab type of situation. If anyone needs to regain his form, it's Dennis. Feel Smith's team would see this as the best way to increase his value and possibly show teams he is worth considering for extended PG minutes.
Not necessarily a rush, but this could be an opportunity that may not be available closer to the trade deadline. Plus DSJ's trade value is not going to go up unless we have injuries and he's forced to play and he balls out. So my counter would be what's the use in keeping him if there's a willing trade partner? Also remember, I believe this is the last year of his deal so unlikely his trade value goes up just sitting. Would hate to just release him or let him walk via free agency and get nothing in return.Also, I thought the Mavs wanted to send Smith to the G-league his last year there and he had a problem with it. Things may be different now, but I have a hard time believing he would agree to it at this point in his career.
IMO it is a rush if your trading him for scraps or a cap hit that has yet to prove anything. Hopefully he can accept that Gleague may be best place to get his game back.
HofstraBBall wrote:Welpee wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Welpee wrote:Not sure if this was discussed elsewhere, but does the unfortunate ACL injury to Fultz open up an opportunity where they may have interest in trading for DSJ? I don't know what their pick situation looks like, but I would be on board for a deal to roll the dice on Mo Bamba and a pick for DSJ. Maybe even just Bamba for DSJ straight up. Isn't Bamba from NY?
Sad to hear about Fultz. He was putting it together. As for Smith, think there is no reason to sell low. What exactly is the rush? Not like he is taking a youngsters minutes. Nor is he taking minutes from everyone's favorite, Frank. Really think that Knicks should talk him into going to G League. Maybe present it as a rehab type of situation. If anyone needs to regain his form, it's Dennis. Feel Smith's team would see this as the best way to increase his value and possibly show teams he is worth considering for extended PG minutes.
Not necessarily a rush, but this could be an opportunity that may not be available closer to the trade deadline. Plus DSJ's trade value is not going to go up unless we have injuries and he's forced to play and he balls out. So my counter would be what's the use in keeping him if there's a willing trade partner? Also remember, I believe this is the last year of his deal so unlikely his trade value goes up just sitting. Would hate to just release him or let him walk via free agency and get nothing in return.Also, I thought the Mavs wanted to send Smith to the G-league his last year there and he had a problem with it. Things may be different now, but I have a hard time believing he would agree to it at this point in his career.
IMO it is a rush if your trading him for scraps or a cap hit that has yet to prove anything. Hopefully he can accept that Gleague may be best place to get his game back.
Your not getting anything "proven" for DSJ no matter how long you wait. Not sure I would consider a 22 year old, athletic 7 footer with only two seasons under his belt "scraps."
Can’t think that Orlando would consider DSjr as ready to step in and play any role.
The plan at the beginning of the year was to let DSJr and Frank fight it out for backup PG, with the hope that one of them would step up to be the starter. That plan fell apart once it became clear that Quickley is better than either one of them at running the point. So now, barring injuries, I doubt DSJr gets any run and Frank will probably get spot minutes here and there once he is healthy. The Knicks should offer DSJr to anyone for a second round pick but I doubt we can trade him. He has essentially no value and I doubt even the magic are interested. We might be able to trade for the draft rights to some European stash player but even that is essentially nothing. Most likely, we just let DSJr walk at the end of the year like we did Trier, who we also should have traded.
TheGame wrote:The plan at the beginning of the year was to let DSJr and Frank fight it out for backup PG, with the hope that one of them would step up to be the starter. That plan fell apart once it became clear that Quickley is better than either one of them at running the point. So now, barring injuries, I doubt DSJr gets any run and Frank will probably get spot minutes here and there once he is healthy. The Knicks should offer DSJr to anyone for a second round pick but I doubt we can trade him. He has essentially no value and I doubt even the magic are interested. We might be able to trade for the draft rights to some European stash player but even that is essentially nothing. Most likely, we just let DSJr walk at the end of the year like we did Trier, who we also should have traded.
And don't look now, but Quickley has taken a few steps back in recent games. All of these scenarios are fluid, that's why we can't overreact to one or two good games.
Welpee wrote:TheGame wrote:The plan at the beginning of the year was to let DSJr and Frank fight it out for backup PG, with the hope that one of them would step up to be the starter. That plan fell apart once it became clear that Quickley is better than either one of them at running the point. So now, barring injuries, I doubt DSJr gets any run and Frank will probably get spot minutes here and there once he is healthy. The Knicks should offer DSJr to anyone for a second round pick but I doubt we can trade him. He has essentially no value and I doubt even the magic are interested. We might be able to trade for the draft rights to some European stash player but even that is essentially nothing. Most likely, we just let DSJr walk at the end of the year like we did Trier, who we also should have traded.
And don't look now, but Quickley has taken a few steps back in recent games. All of these scenarios are fluid, that's why we can't overreact to one or two good games.
Luckily there are years of games to judge DSjr and Frank and yet still only 5 games into Quickley's career and everyone can see he is a better PG and will get most all of the PG minutes before them
martin wrote:Welpee wrote:TheGame wrote:The plan at the beginning of the year was to let DSJr and Frank fight it out for backup PG, with the hope that one of them would step up to be the starter. That plan fell apart once it became clear that Quickley is better than either one of them at running the point. So now, barring injuries, I doubt DSJr gets any run and Frank will probably get spot minutes here and there once he is healthy. The Knicks should offer DSJr to anyone for a second round pick but I doubt we can trade him. He has essentially no value and I doubt even the magic are interested. We might be able to trade for the draft rights to some European stash player but even that is essentially nothing. Most likely, we just let DSJr walk at the end of the year like we did Trier, who we also should have traded.
And don't look now, but Quickley has taken a few steps back in recent games. All of these scenarios are fluid, that's why we can't overreact to one or two good games.
Luckily there are years of games to judge DSjr and Frank and yet still only 5 games into Quickley's career and everyone can see he is a better PG and will get most all of the PG minutes before them
Clyde Frazier in his 70s may be a better pg than DSJ or Frank.
Welpee wrote:martin wrote:Welpee wrote:TheGame wrote:The plan at the beginning of the year was to let DSJr and Frank fight it out for backup PG, with the hope that one of them would step up to be the starter. That plan fell apart once it became clear that Quickley is better than either one of them at running the point. So now, barring injuries, I doubt DSJr gets any run and Frank will probably get spot minutes here and there once he is healthy. The Knicks should offer DSJr to anyone for a second round pick but I doubt we can trade him. He has essentially no value and I doubt even the magic are interested. We might be able to trade for the draft rights to some European stash player but even that is essentially nothing. Most likely, we just let DSJr walk at the end of the year like we did Trier, who we also should have traded.
And don't look now, but Quickley has taken a few steps back in recent games. All of these scenarios are fluid, that's why we can't overreact to one or two good games.
Luckily there are years of games to judge DSjr and Frank and yet still only 5 games into Quickley's career and everyone can see he is a better PG and will get most all of the PG minutes before them
Clyde Frazier in his 70s may be a better pg than DSJ or Frank.
Feel like me and you could probably suit up for a game and outplay those guys too. I am good for like a 30 second stint TOPS so you will have to do the heavy lifting
And honestly, 30 seconds is optimistic
THAT"S WHAT SHE SAID
martin wrote:Welpee wrote:martin wrote:Welpee wrote:TheGame wrote:The plan at the beginning of the year was to let DSJr and Frank fight it out for backup PG, with the hope that one of them would step up to be the starter. That plan fell apart once it became clear that Quickley is better than either one of them at running the point. So now, barring injuries, I doubt DSJr gets any run and Frank will probably get spot minutes here and there once he is healthy. The Knicks should offer DSJr to anyone for a second round pick but I doubt we can trade him. He has essentially no value and I doubt even the magic are interested. We might be able to trade for the draft rights to some European stash player but even that is essentially nothing. Most likely, we just let DSJr walk at the end of the year like we did Trier, who we also should have traded.
And don't look now, but Quickley has taken a few steps back in recent games. All of these scenarios are fluid, that's why we can't overreact to one or two good games.
Luckily there are years of games to judge DSjr and Frank and yet still only 5 games into Quickley's career and everyone can see he is a better PG and will get most all of the PG minutes before them
Clyde Frazier in his 70s may be a better pg than DSJ or Frank.
Feel like me and you could probably suit up for a game and outplay those guys too. I am good for like a 30 second stint TOPS so you will have to do the heavy lifting
And honestly, 30 seconds is optimistic
THAT"S WHAT SHE SAID
Nah, I'm a power forward in a pg's body. I may be able to handle Spellman for 30 seconds though. lol!
Id do a trade because Fultz is showing a pulse.
GustavBahler wrote:Id do a trade because Fultz is showing a pulse.
Fultz just tore his acl...
Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Id do a trade because Fultz is showing a pulse.
Fultz just tore his acl...
I know. Fultz is young, next season we could have a real scoring threat off the bench. Its the players pushing 30 with these injuries, who give me pause.
I forget DSJ is still on this team. No disrespect, but I think Magic will probably feel the same way.
GustavBahler wrote:Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Id do a trade because Fultz is showing a pulse.
Fultz just tore his acl...
I know. Fultz is young, next season we could have a real scoring threat off the bench. Its the players pushing 30 with these injuries, who give me pause.
Oh..ok....I see what you mean. I think the OP is suggesting we trade Dennis to the Magic to fill a void while Fultz is out. Highly doubt the Magic has any interest in a Dennis for Fultz trade. In fact, they may not have any interest in Dennis at all. This is a good opportunity for the Magic to take a long look at Cole Anthony. They also have Michael Carter Williams...
Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Id do a trade because Fultz is showing a pulse.
Fultz just tore his acl...
I know. Fultz is young, next season we could have a real scoring threat off the bench. Its the players pushing 30 with these injuries, who give me pause.
Oh..ok....I see what you mean. I think the OP is suggesting we trade Dennis to the Magic to fill a void while Fultz is out. Highly doubt the Magic has any interest in a Dennis for Fultz trade. In fact, they may not have any interest in Dennis at all. This is a good opportunity for the Magic to take a long look at Cole Anthony. They also have Michael Carter Williams...
Oops lol, got it. Id be happy with a veteran PG with a couple of years left in the tank. Lots of cap space and picks for next season. Believe making the playoffs without giving away the store is the only thing that will change minds around the league.
Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Id do a trade because Fultz is showing a pulse.
Fultz just tore his acl...
I know. Fultz is young, next season we could have a real scoring threat off the bench. Its the players pushing 30 with these injuries, who give me pause.
Oh..ok....I see what you mean. I think the OP is suggesting we trade Dennis to the Magic to fill a void while Fultz is out. Highly doubt the Magic has any interest in a Dennis for Fultz trade. In fact, they may not have any interest in Dennis at all. This is a good opportunity for the Magic to take a long look at Cole Anthony. They also have Michael Carter Williams...
My take the convo is Dennis for Bamba. Trade disappointments and fills a need for Orlando. Or the perception of one.
