Knicks · Iq isn’t physically ready for nba (page 9)

TPercy @ 2/17/2021 12:04 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:One man's opinion:


wish I watched this BEFORE pornhub this morning

I had IQ pegged as a really good Jamal Crawford caliber player guy, but seeing it broken down this way you can really see the potential is pretty amazing.

Yeah after seeing the above stats from RealGM posted and then the video, it was eye opening. IQ is a learner and being surrounded by the likes of Rose and Bryant for sure will push him.

After this summer will be telling, can't wait to see the growth.

Now if we could only get Mitch to spend the summer at Camp Julius doing the House of Payne workouts....

Mitch came back stronger, and a smarter player. Not a threat to foul out this season. If there was anything Id want Mitch to learn, it would be to box out. Gets stuck too far under the backboard. Cant rebound from there.

This. He’d be getting 3 more boards a game easily if he could box out. He also gets baited easily every now and then but baby steps.

martin @ 2/17/2021 12:06 PM
martin @ 2/17/2021 12:09 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:One man's opinion:


wish I watched this BEFORE pornhub this morning

I had IQ pegged as a really good Jamal Crawford caliber player guy, but seeing it broken down this way you can really see the potential is pretty amazing.

Yeah after seeing the above stats from RealGM posted and then the video, it was eye opening. IQ is a learner and being surrounded by the likes of Rose and Bryant for sure will push him.

After this summer will be telling, can't wait to see the growth.

Now if we could only get Mitch to spend the summer at Camp Julius doing the House of Payne workouts....

Mitch came back stronger, and a smarter player. Not a threat to foul out this season. If there was anything Id want Mitch to learn, it would be to box out. Gets stuck too far under the backboard. Cant rebound from there.

Maybe I'm just not understanding your perspective.

During the pre-season and couple of early game of the season, Mitch was lost and played like in previous years. Feel like the coaching staff corrected him VERY quickly and it has shown since.

Mitch plays just under 30 minutes a game? He is dog tired with just those minutes. IMHO he is nowhere in near top physical shape for NBA player.

He didn't properly work on a shot during the offseason.

Dude has got to step up

blkexec @ 2/17/2021 12:14 PM
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:Still like him off the bench this year. I dont want him to have the burden of having to run the offense and manage 4 other guys on the floor. I love that when he comes in its green light from the moment that sub horn goes hooonk.

This is the year he gets to learn the league, its players, the refs, the routines, being a pro... all that and he gets to do it off the bench where he can have a huge impact and finish games but has a simplified role.

In Thibs we trust! Rose AND Thibs adore IQ. There's a 3some bromance brewing in the air.

+100

The vibe and action he will get while playing with Rose is awesome. Gets to run team and play off the ball interchangeably and I think that'll accelerate his development

The reason why IQ has excelled in that role and probably why they figured pairing IQ with Rose should work, is because this was IQ role in college. So having a similar role in the NBA, will definetly help him. Most of the top picks usually struggle, because they are forced into a role that not familiar with them. RJ is an example of somebody who was used as a point forward in college...and a closer. IQ played with a Rose type guard in Maxey, so IQ is used to that. If IQ was the stand alone PG, that's a role he needs to grow into, since it's something he did not successfully have in college.

Uptown @ 2/17/2021 12:17 PM
fishmike wrote:
Uptown wrote:
martin wrote:Grabbed this from RealGM post cause it was so good:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtop...

SelbyCobra wrote:After looking a little deeper into his numbers last night, I thought it would be helpful to have a place where we could see how our boy is trending throughout his rookie season. This kid has really been something so far to the eye test, but the thing that has me unbelievably hyped is how much advanced metrics absolutely love what he's doing. The deeper-dive stats historically destroy rookies, and especially rookie guards, but Immanuel's advanced metrics are even better than his impressive traditional numbers at this point.

Obviously things can change, but we're now 30 games into the season and there are a bunch of statistical lights flashing above IQ right now - lights that normally aren't associated with anything but the best combo guard rookies. And certainly not 25th overall picks in the draft.

Post any Quickley statistical observations in here as the season progresses, and to get it started here's some of what he's done through last night's (2/15) games:

  • 3rd in raw PPG (12.5) for rookies, behind LaMelo (14.6) and Edwards (14.3), despite those two logging 50% more minutes. If we adjust for playing time, we find Quick is...
  • 1st in scoring per36 (23.3). In fact, that puts IQ at 25th overall amongst all qualified players in the entire NBA, and ahead of guys like Sexton, Harden, Middleton, Hayward, and Randle.
  • 1st amongst all rookies in NBA.com's all-encompassing PIE (Player Impact Estimate), at 12.7. Lamelo (12.4) and Haliburton (11.4) are 2nd and 3rd. When removing the rookie filter, Quickley's 12.7 PIE puts him 66th in the NBA, and higher than Brogdon, Ayton, Hayward, Jrue, D. Mitchell, Fox, VanVleet, and Booker.
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Win Shares with 1.7, fractionally ahead Haliburton's own 1.7. He trails only LaMelo (1.8) despite WS being a counting stat and Ball (as well as Haliburton) playing 50% more minutes than him. In fact, if we convert WS to a rate stat to adjust for playing time, IQ is...
  • 1st amongst all rookies who have played at least 100 minutes in WS/48, at .164. This takes raw Win Shares and adjusts for playing time. Xavier TIllman (.142) and Isaiah Stewart (.122) are 2nd and 3rd. Haliburton (.114) and Ball (.113) drop to 4th and 5th. Amongst all NBA players IQ's .164 ties him with Julius, and places him above Ben Simmons, Trae, Jaylen Brown, SGA, LaVine, Beal, and Mitchell.
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Offensive Rating (111.4) behind only Desmond Bane's 112.3. In contrast to Bane, though, he is...
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Unassisted FG% (67.0% of his FGM were unassisted), which is a strong indication that he can create his own shot. He trails only Cole Anthony's 70.3%. LaMelo is at 52.6%, and Haliburton is 37.8%. Bane ranks dead last at 12.0% - a pure catch and shoot guy.
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Net Rating (5.5) which is the difference between a player's offensive rating and his defensive rating. Quickley trails only Jaden McDaniels' 5.9. To put this in perspective, LaMelo is currently posting a -0.8, and Haliburton is at a -5.5. Removing the rookie filter, IQ's 5.5 puts him ahead of Tatum, Draymond, Butler, CP3, Booker, Lillard, and Trae.
  • 1st in FTA (73) amongst all rookies, despite play hundreds of minutes less than others at the top of the list.
  • 3rd in FTr (.299, which is the ratio of FTA to FGA) amongst all rookies, behind only two bigs, Precious and Wiseman. He's lightyears ahead of the other rookie guards. League-wide, his .299 FTr places him just ahead of Booker, Lou, Westbrook, Hayward, Lavine, and Steph.
  • 2nd in Turnover Ratio (6.7%) amongst rookies, behind only Tyrese Maxey (5.8%).
  • 3rd in Assist Rate (23.9%) amongst rookies, behind LaMelo (32.4%) and Haliburton (25.2%).
  • 2nd in Asst/TO ratio (2.83) amongst rookies, behind only Haliburton (3.20)

This is awesome....Thanks for posting!!! You can see a lot of these attributes with the eye test in terms of his impact on winning, etc. This is why I've been a proponent of him starting or at the very least getting no-less than 25 mins per night. His presence can make players like RJ even better....

Still like him off the bench this year. I dont want him to have the burden of having to run the offense and manage 4 other guys on the floor. I love that when he comes in its green light from the moment that sub horn goes hooonk.

This is the year he gets to learn the league, its players, the refs, the routines, being a pro... all that and he gets to do it off the bench where he can have a huge impact and finish games but has a simplified role.

In Thibs we trust! Rose AND Thibs adore IQ. There's a 3some bromance brewing in the air.

LOL....Fish is hung-over on the blue-n-orange kool-aide Ain't mad at it!! I don't think starting will take away from Quick's ability or inability to learn the league, etc. The offense runs-through Randle most of the time anyway. Quick is a very intellegint player who seems to pick on the nuances of the game very fast. Don't think he would be overwhelmed as a starter. At one point, Quick was one of the league leaders in 4th quarter point average which was/is mostly against other teams starters. LaMelo Ball's individual play and the team's play took-off once he was placed in the Hornets starting line-up.

I'm fine with him coming off the bench...Like I said, would like to see him get 25 mins per game at the very least. Also, want to see him get some minutes with RJ to open things up for him. Admittedly, some of my reasoning behind this is the fact that I'm not a fan of Elfrid's game...

GustavBahler @ 2/17/2021 12:20 PM
martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:One man's opinion:


wish I watched this BEFORE pornhub this morning

I had IQ pegged as a really good Jamal Crawford caliber player guy, but seeing it broken down this way you can really see the potential is pretty amazing.

Yeah after seeing the above stats from RealGM posted and then the video, it was eye opening. IQ is a learner and being surrounded by the likes of Rose and Bryant for sure will push him.

After this summer will be telling, can't wait to see the growth.

Now if we could only get Mitch to spend the summer at Camp Julius doing the House of Payne workouts....

Mitch came back stronger, and a smarter player. Not a threat to foul out this season. If there was anything Id want Mitch to learn, it would be to box out. Gets stuck too far under the backboard. Cant rebound from there.

Maybe I'm just not understanding your perspective.

During the pre-season and couple of early game of the season, Mitch was lost and played like in previous years. Feel like the coaching staff corrected him VERY quickly and it has shown since.

Mitch plays just under 30 minutes a game? He is dog tired with just those minutes. IMHO he is nowhere in near top physical shape for NBA player.

He didn't properly work on a shot during the offseason.

Dude has got to step up

New coach, new system. Easy to look lost at times. Best ability is availabilty. When Mitch stopped fouling out, we improved our chances of winning, with his D. I call that stepping up. Mitch really had no foundation to learn the game, aside from pickup b-ball with blkexec. Give the kid a break!

fishmike @ 2/17/2021 12:39 PM
Uptown wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Uptown wrote:
martin wrote:Grabbed this from RealGM post cause it was so good:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtop...

SelbyCobra wrote:After looking a little deeper into his numbers last night, I thought it would be helpful to have a place where we could see how our boy is trending throughout his rookie season. This kid has really been something so far to the eye test, but the thing that has me unbelievably hyped is how much advanced metrics absolutely love what he's doing. The deeper-dive stats historically destroy rookies, and especially rookie guards, but Immanuel's advanced metrics are even better than his impressive traditional numbers at this point.

Obviously things can change, but we're now 30 games into the season and there are a bunch of statistical lights flashing above IQ right now - lights that normally aren't associated with anything but the best combo guard rookies. And certainly not 25th overall picks in the draft.

Post any Quickley statistical observations in here as the season progresses, and to get it started here's some of what he's done through last night's (2/15) games:

  • 3rd in raw PPG (12.5) for rookies, behind LaMelo (14.6) and Edwards (14.3), despite those two logging 50% more minutes. If we adjust for playing time, we find Quick is...
  • 1st in scoring per36 (23.3). In fact, that puts IQ at 25th overall amongst all qualified players in the entire NBA, and ahead of guys like Sexton, Harden, Middleton, Hayward, and Randle.
  • 1st amongst all rookies in NBA.com's all-encompassing PIE (Player Impact Estimate), at 12.7. Lamelo (12.4) and Haliburton (11.4) are 2nd and 3rd. When removing the rookie filter, Quickley's 12.7 PIE puts him 66th in the NBA, and higher than Brogdon, Ayton, Hayward, Jrue, D. Mitchell, Fox, VanVleet, and Booker.
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Win Shares with 1.7, fractionally ahead Haliburton's own 1.7. He trails only LaMelo (1.8) despite WS being a counting stat and Ball (as well as Haliburton) playing 50% more minutes than him. In fact, if we convert WS to a rate stat to adjust for playing time, IQ is...
  • 1st amongst all rookies who have played at least 100 minutes in WS/48, at .164. This takes raw Win Shares and adjusts for playing time. Xavier TIllman (.142) and Isaiah Stewart (.122) are 2nd and 3rd. Haliburton (.114) and Ball (.113) drop to 4th and 5th. Amongst all NBA players IQ's .164 ties him with Julius, and places him above Ben Simmons, Trae, Jaylen Brown, SGA, LaVine, Beal, and Mitchell.
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Offensive Rating (111.4) behind only Desmond Bane's 112.3. In contrast to Bane, though, he is...
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Unassisted FG% (67.0% of his FGM were unassisted), which is a strong indication that he can create his own shot. He trails only Cole Anthony's 70.3%. LaMelo is at 52.6%, and Haliburton is 37.8%. Bane ranks dead last at 12.0% - a pure catch and shoot guy.
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Net Rating (5.5) which is the difference between a player's offensive rating and his defensive rating. Quickley trails only Jaden McDaniels' 5.9. To put this in perspective, LaMelo is currently posting a -0.8, and Haliburton is at a -5.5. Removing the rookie filter, IQ's 5.5 puts him ahead of Tatum, Draymond, Butler, CP3, Booker, Lillard, and Trae.
  • 1st in FTA (73) amongst all rookies, despite play hundreds of minutes less than others at the top of the list.
  • 3rd in FTr (.299, which is the ratio of FTA to FGA) amongst all rookies, behind only two bigs, Precious and Wiseman. He's lightyears ahead of the other rookie guards. League-wide, his .299 FTr places him just ahead of Booker, Lou, Westbrook, Hayward, Lavine, and Steph.
  • 2nd in Turnover Ratio (6.7%) amongst rookies, behind only Tyrese Maxey (5.8%).
  • 3rd in Assist Rate (23.9%) amongst rookies, behind LaMelo (32.4%) and Haliburton (25.2%).
  • 2nd in Asst/TO ratio (2.83) amongst rookies, behind only Haliburton (3.20)

This is awesome....Thanks for posting!!! You can see a lot of these attributes with the eye test in terms of his impact on winning, etc. This is why I've been a proponent of him starting or at the very least getting no-less than 25 mins per night. His presence can make players like RJ even better....

Still like him off the bench this year. I dont want him to have the burden of having to run the offense and manage 4 other guys on the floor. I love that when he comes in its green light from the moment that sub horn goes hooonk.

This is the year he gets to learn the league, its players, the refs, the routines, being a pro... all that and he gets to do it off the bench where he can have a huge impact and finish games but has a simplified role.

In Thibs we trust! Rose AND Thibs adore IQ. There's a 3some bromance brewing in the air.

LOL....Fish is hung-over on the blue-n-orange kool-aide Ain't mad at it!! I don't think starting will take away from Quick's ability or inability to learn the league, etc. The offense runs-through Randle most of the time anyway. At one point, Quick was one of the league leaders in 4th quarter point average which was/is mostly against other teams starters. LaMelo Ball's individual play and the team's play took-off once he was placed in the Hornets starting line-up.

I'm fine with him coming off the bench...Like I said, would like to see him get 25 mins per game at the very least. Also, want to see him get some minutes with RJ to open things up for him. Admittedly, some of my reasoning behind this is the fact that I'm not a fan of Elfrid's game...

why? Is it because he kinda stinks?
Nalod @ 2/17/2021 12:59 PM
Love the way knicks have handled IQ and super happy. “Sure Fire Super duper Star?” I’m not ready to go there because I’m enjoying this in the here and now.

Be great when Obi can get an off season under Payne. We forget he was drafted two weeks before a two week camp. Imagine that, all year not knowing when the draft is, then BOOM go from draft night to 4 weeks later OPENING NIGHT!
What works for Quick don’t work for Obi........

jrodmc @ 2/17/2021 2:54 PM
TheGame wrote:
martin wrote:One man's opinion:

We finally got our Mitchell or Booker. This team is stacked. Once IQ gets a little more experience running the team, adds about 10 pounds of muscle, and takes his defense (which is decent) up another level (which should come with added strength), I really think this kid will be on a Damien Lillard or Steph Curry type level or fairly close to that level. Obviously, it is going to take him 2-3 more years to get to that level, but he really has that high of a potential.


+1
Although I'd hold off on "stacked" until we see the final versions of Mitch and Obi stand up. Right now we have the poster boy for over-achievement-out-of-practically- nowhere All Star Randle, and a collection of FA flotsam that are all playing their roles at or close to perfection. RJ is what you see, which is easy on the eyes, because he never stops moving.

The one thing about all these stats and particularly about this vid, is his defense. Part III was slightly less than enthralling, unless there's something great about not stopping someone from hitting a bunny in your face and then standing still, or doing nothing while somebody else's man drives to the basket. I'd expect better material for a YoutubeQuickley product.

But hopefully, the muscle and coaching will right that right Quick.

BigDaddyG @ 2/17/2021 3:08 PM
martin wrote:Grabbed this from RealGM post cause it was so good:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtop...

SelbyCobra wrote:After looking a little deeper into his numbers last night, I thought it would be helpful to have a place where we could see how our boy is trending throughout his rookie season. This kid has really been something so far to the eye test, but the thing that has me unbelievably hyped is how much advanced metrics absolutely love what he's doing. The deeper-dive stats historically destroy rookies, and especially rookie guards, but Immanuel's advanced metrics are even better than his impressive traditional numbers at this point.

Obviously things can change, but we're now 30 games into the season and there are a bunch of statistical lights flashing above IQ right now - lights that normally aren't associated with anything but the best combo guard rookies. And certainly not 25th overall picks in the draft.

Post any Quickley statistical observations in here as the season progresses, and to get it started here's some of what he's done through last night's (2/15) games:

  • 3rd in raw PPG (12.5) for rookies, behind LaMelo (14.6) and Edwards (14.3), despite those two logging 50% more minutes. If we adjust for playing time, we find Quick is...
  • 1st in scoring per36 (23.3). In fact, that puts IQ at 25th overall amongst all qualified players in the entire NBA, and ahead of guys like Sexton, Harden, Middleton, Hayward, and Randle.
  • 1st amongst all rookies in NBA.com's all-encompassing PIE (Player Impact Estimate), at 12.7. Lamelo (12.4) and Haliburton (11.4) are 2nd and 3rd. When removing the rookie filter, Quickley's 12.7 PIE puts him 66th in the NBA, and higher than Brogdon, Ayton, Hayward, Jrue, D. Mitchell, Fox, VanVleet, and Booker.
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Win Shares with 1.7, fractionally ahead Haliburton's own 1.7. He trails only LaMelo (1.8) despite WS being a counting stat and Ball (as well as Haliburton) playing 50% more minutes than him. In fact, if we convert WS to a rate stat to adjust for playing time, IQ is...
  • 1st amongst all rookies who have played at least 100 minutes in WS/48, at .164. This takes raw Win Shares and adjusts for playing time. Xavier TIllman (.142) and Isaiah Stewart (.122) are 2nd and 3rd. Haliburton (.114) and Ball (.113) drop to 4th and 5th. Amongst all NBA players IQ's .164 ties him with Julius, and places him above Ben Simmons, Trae, Jaylen Brown, SGA, LaVine, Beal, and Mitchell.
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Offensive Rating (111.4) behind only Desmond Bane's 112.3. In contrast to Bane, though, he is...
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Unassisted FG% (67.0% of his FGM were unassisted), which is a strong indication that he can create his own shot. He trails only Cole Anthony's 70.3%. LaMelo is at 52.6%, and Haliburton is 37.8%. Bane ranks dead last at 12.0% - a pure catch and shoot guy.
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Net Rating (5.5) which is the difference between a player's offensive rating and his defensive rating. Quickley trails only Jaden McDaniels' 5.9. To put this in perspective, LaMelo is currently posting a -0.8, and Haliburton is at a -5.5. Removing the rookie filter, IQ's 5.5 puts him ahead of Tatum, Draymond, Butler, CP3, Booker, Lillard, and Trae.
  • 1st in FTA (73) amongst all rookies, despite play hundreds of minutes less than others at the top of the list.
  • 3rd in FTr (.299, which is the ratio of FTA to FGA) amongst all rookies, behind only two bigs, Precious and Wiseman. He's lightyears ahead of the other rookie guards. League-wide, his .299 FTr places him just ahead of Booker, Lou, Westbrook, Hayward, Lavine, and Steph.
  • 2nd in Turnover Ratio (6.7%) amongst rookies, behind only Tyrese Maxey (5.8%).
  • 3rd in Assist Rate (23.9%) amongst rookies, behind LaMelo (32.4%) and Haliburton (25.2%).
  • 2nd in Asst/TO ratio (2.83) amongst rookies, behind only Haliburton (3.20)

This number is why I'm not all that upset about the Knicks not grabbing Hal. Yes, he's a good comb-guard and the Knicks could use him. But his shot creation chops of the dribble aren't good and I'm still not sure he would answer the PG concerns on this team. His unassisted field goal % is worrisome.
Haliburton is 37.8%.
Knixkik @ 2/17/2021 3:39 PM
jrodmc wrote:
TheGame wrote:
martin wrote:One man's opinion:

We finally got our Mitchell or Booker. This team is stacked. Once IQ gets a little more experience running the team, adds about 10 pounds of muscle, and takes his defense (which is decent) up another level (which should come with added strength), I really think this kid will be on a Damien Lillard or Steph Curry type level or fairly close to that level. Obviously, it is going to take him 2-3 more years to get to that level, but he really has that high of a potential.


+1
Although I'd hold off on "stacked" until we see the final versions of Mitch and Obi stand up. Right now we have the poster boy for over-achievement-out-of-practically- nowhere All Star Randle, and a collection of FA flotsam that are all playing their roles at or close to perfection. RJ is what you see, which is easy on the eyes, because he never stops moving.

The one thing about all these stats and particularly about this vid, is his defense. Part III was slightly less than enthralling, unless there's something great about not stopping someone from hitting a bunny in your face and then standing still, or doing nothing while somebody else's man drives to the basket. I'd expect better material for a YoutubeQuickley product.

But hopefully, the muscle and coaching will right that right Quick.

I can see him becoming that next Booker/Mitchell type for sure. I'm excited for his future here. People were all hyped about Herro and i feel like Quickley is a better prospect than him at this point.

Knixkik @ 2/17/2021 3:41 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:Grabbed this from RealGM post cause it was so good:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtop...

SelbyCobra wrote:After looking a little deeper into his numbers last night, I thought it would be helpful to have a place where we could see how our boy is trending throughout his rookie season. This kid has really been something so far to the eye test, but the thing that has me unbelievably hyped is how much advanced metrics absolutely love what he's doing. The deeper-dive stats historically destroy rookies, and especially rookie guards, but Immanuel's advanced metrics are even better than his impressive traditional numbers at this point.

Obviously things can change, but we're now 30 games into the season and there are a bunch of statistical lights flashing above IQ right now - lights that normally aren't associated with anything but the best combo guard rookies. And certainly not 25th overall picks in the draft.

Post any Quickley statistical observations in here as the season progresses, and to get it started here's some of what he's done through last night's (2/15) games:

  • 3rd in raw PPG (12.5) for rookies, behind LaMelo (14.6) and Edwards (14.3), despite those two logging 50% more minutes. If we adjust for playing time, we find Quick is...
  • 1st in scoring per36 (23.3). In fact, that puts IQ at 25th overall amongst all qualified players in the entire NBA, and ahead of guys like Sexton, Harden, Middleton, Hayward, and Randle.
  • 1st amongst all rookies in NBA.com's all-encompassing PIE (Player Impact Estimate), at 12.7. Lamelo (12.4) and Haliburton (11.4) are 2nd and 3rd. When removing the rookie filter, Quickley's 12.7 PIE puts him 66th in the NBA, and higher than Brogdon, Ayton, Hayward, Jrue, D. Mitchell, Fox, VanVleet, and Booker.
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Win Shares with 1.7, fractionally ahead Haliburton's own 1.7. He trails only LaMelo (1.8) despite WS being a counting stat and Ball (as well as Haliburton) playing 50% more minutes than him. In fact, if we convert WS to a rate stat to adjust for playing time, IQ is...
  • 1st amongst all rookies who have played at least 100 minutes in WS/48, at .164. This takes raw Win Shares and adjusts for playing time. Xavier TIllman (.142) and Isaiah Stewart (.122) are 2nd and 3rd. Haliburton (.114) and Ball (.113) drop to 4th and 5th. Amongst all NBA players IQ's .164 ties him with Julius, and places him above Ben Simmons, Trae, Jaylen Brown, SGA, LaVine, Beal, and Mitchell.
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Offensive Rating (111.4) behind only Desmond Bane's 112.3. In contrast to Bane, though, he is...
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Unassisted FG% (67.0% of his FGM were unassisted), which is a strong indication that he can create his own shot. He trails only Cole Anthony's 70.3%. LaMelo is at 52.6%, and Haliburton is 37.8%. Bane ranks dead last at 12.0% - a pure catch and shoot guy.
  • 2nd amongst all rookies in Net Rating (5.5) which is the difference between a player's offensive rating and his defensive rating. Quickley trails only Jaden McDaniels' 5.9. To put this in perspective, LaMelo is currently posting a -0.8, and Haliburton is at a -5.5. Removing the rookie filter, IQ's 5.5 puts him ahead of Tatum, Draymond, Butler, CP3, Booker, Lillard, and Trae.
  • 1st in FTA (73) amongst all rookies, despite play hundreds of minutes less than others at the top of the list.
  • 3rd in FTr (.299, which is the ratio of FTA to FGA) amongst all rookies, behind only two bigs, Precious and Wiseman. He's lightyears ahead of the other rookie guards. League-wide, his .299 FTr places him just ahead of Booker, Lou, Westbrook, Hayward, Lavine, and Steph.
  • 2nd in Turnover Ratio (6.7%) amongst rookies, behind only Tyrese Maxey (5.8%).
  • 3rd in Assist Rate (23.9%) amongst rookies, behind LaMelo (32.4%) and Haliburton (25.2%).
  • 2nd in Asst/TO ratio (2.83) amongst rookies, behind only Haliburton (3.20)

This number is why I'm not all that upset about the Knicks not grabbing Hal. Yes, he's a good comb-guard and the Knicks could use him. But his shot creation chops of the dribble aren't good and I'm still not sure he would answer the PG concerns on this team. His unassisted field goal % is worrisome.
Haliburton is 37.8%.

To me Quickley answers the PG concerns long-term, and Haliburton would have made an excellent 2guard here.

C Robinson
PF Randle
SF Barrett
SG Haliburton
PG Quickley

That would have been awesome.

martin @ 2/17/2021 6:36 PM
Knixkik @ 2/17/2021 9:25 PM
martin wrote:

Despite a bad game today Quickley now needs to figure out how to get himself going when his shot isn’t falling. Other ways to impact the game. That will be the difference between being a volume scorer and being a true star scorer.

BigDaddyG @ 3/3/2021 2:19 PM
Haters gonna hate.
Nalod @ 3/3/2021 2:23 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Haters gonna hate.

10 from U.S. Team and it covers Rooks and Sophmores. Is IQ a top 5 rook?
Who picks this roster out? Think maybe “They” read here that “IQ is not physically ready” so the deleted him?

BigDaddyG @ 3/3/2021 2:45 PM
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Haters gonna hate.

10 from U.S. Team and it covers Rooks and Sophmores. Is IQ a top 5 rook?
Who picks this roster out? Think maybe “They” read here that “IQ is not physically ready” so the deleted him?

I guess "They" weren't impressed by IQs lack of flashy dunks. Or maybe they didn't want more than 1 Knick to be represented. I don't take this game seriously anyway, but it would've been a nice feather in the rook's cap.

Knixkik @ 3/3/2021 2:49 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Haters gonna hate.

10 from U.S. Team and it covers Rooks and Sophmores. Is IQ a top 5 rook?
Who picks this roster out? Think maybe “They” read here that “IQ is not physically ready” so the deleted him?

I guess "They" weren't impressed by IQs lack of flashy dunks. Or maybe they didn't want more than 1 Knick to be represented. I don't take this game seriously anyway, but it would've been a nice feather in the rook's cap.

Edwards and Wiseman making it over Quickley tells me the choices were more based on minutes played and being a lottery pick than actual production and impact on winning. Because there isn't a world where Edwards should get in.

BigDaddyG @ 3/3/2021 2:53 PM
Knixkik wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Haters gonna hate.

10 from U.S. Team and it covers Rooks and Sophmores. Is IQ a top 5 rook?
Who picks this roster out? Think maybe “They” read here that “IQ is not physically ready” so the deleted him?

I guess "They" weren't impressed by IQs lack of flashy dunks. Or maybe they didn't want more than 1 Knick to be represented. I don't take this game seriously anyway, but it would've been a nice feather in the rook's cap.

Edwards and Wiseman making it over Quickley tells me the choices were more based on minutes played and being a lottery pick than actual production and impact on winning. Because there isn't a world where Edwards should get in.

IQ is clearly having a better season than Edwards. It's crazy when I hear these guys make very weak analytics based arguments for why Randle shouldn't be an all star, then you see crap like this.

ramtour420 @ 3/3/2021 3:22 PM
TPercy wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:One man's opinion:


wish I watched this BEFORE pornhub this morning

I had IQ pegged as a really good Jamal Crawford caliber player guy, but seeing it broken down this way you can really see the potential is pretty amazing.

Yeah after seeing the above stats from RealGM posted and then the video, it was eye opening. IQ is a learner and being surrounded by the likes of Rose and Bryant for sure will push him.

After this summer will be telling, can't wait to see the growth.

Now if we could only get Mitch to spend the summer at Camp Julius doing the House of Payne workouts....

Mitch came back stronger, and a smarter player. Not a threat to foul out this season. If there was anything Id want Mitch to learn, it would be to box out. Gets stuck too far under the backboard. Cant rebound from there.

This. He’d be getting 3 more boards a game easily if he could box out. He also gets baited easily every now and then but baby steps.

Mitch actually learned to box out quite nicely. He is one of the leagues leaders in that category

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