jskinny35 wrote:Not necessarily advocating for this but hearing Denver may move on from Will Barton or Gary Harris. Could either fill in for our needs well enough or do we need bigger fish?
Harris might be a nice buy low guy. Thibs would love his defense. But his three point shooting has been all over the and he gets injured a lot.
BigDaddyG wrote:
I'm with this guy:
Agree - I would pass on both as trade options but Oladipo would be worse IMO
I'm all for gathering assets (draft picks), our future should be prioritized over our present because any trade off for improving our present at the expense of the future is the trap the Knicks have fallen into for decades. I'd love to KEEP Randle and let the young guys get playing time, draft more youth/depth, create competition, sign a free agent or two in the future to help plug weaknesses. The top teams now have a few years before they fall(except Philly), I'd like to be the young team ready to fill that void, fa's will flock here.
martin wrote:
I was never on board with the tank-a-thon crew. At some point you have to learn to win by trying to win.
I'm down with trading Frank and Knox for a solid long term piece. I still think we need to address 2 issues: PG play and a solid 3 & D glue guy at the 3
Welpee wrote:martin wrote:
I was never on board with the tank-a-thon crew. At some point you have to learn to win by trying to win.
+1
Winning as a result of attempting to win. Along with working diligently on stopping the other team from putting the round thing in the hole.
Imagine that.
jrodmc wrote:Welpee wrote:martin wrote:
I was never on board with the tank-a-thon crew. At some point you have to learn to win by trying to win.
+1
Winning as a result of attempting to win. Along with working diligently on stopping the other team from putting the round thing in the hole.
Imagine that.
Ya’ll are too much.
Tank one more year, get really good talent, this isn’t a normal draft. It’s really to good to get on your high horses.....
It’s so good the knicks should probably consolidate both this years pick and that 2023 pick and try to get into the top five.
wargames wrote:jrodmc wrote:Welpee wrote:martin wrote:
I was never on board with the tank-a-thon crew. At some point you have to learn to win by trying to win.
+1
Winning as a result of attempting to win. Along with working diligently on stopping the other team from putting the round thing in the hole.
Imagine that.
Ya’ll are too much.
Tank one more year, get really good talent, this isn’t a normal draft. It’s really to good to get on your high horses.....
It’s so good the knicks should probably consolidate both this years pick and that 2023 pick and try to get into the top five.
Maybe we should just forfeit all the games and watch the G-League?
To quote a fabled former poster, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
You have no assurance of Cade. Or anyone else.
We could tank and end up 8th. Again.
Oh, and let me know how your conversation with Thibs would go over about tanking.
wargames wrote:jrodmc wrote:Welpee wrote:martin wrote:
I was never on board with the tank-a-thon crew. At some point you have to learn to win by trying to win.
+1
Winning as a result of attempting to win. Along with working diligently on stopping the other team from putting the round thing in the hole.
Imagine that.
Ya’ll are too much.
Tank one more year, get really good talent, this isn’t a normal draft. It’s really to good to get on your high horses.....
It’s so good the knicks should probably consolidate both this years pick and that 2023 pick and try to get into the top five.
We can package picks, and move up without tanking. Would rather give up an extra second rounder, or give up a player, the franchise is OK with trading.
This franchise has no "muscle memory" when it comes to winning, or the playoffs. Cant keep kicking that can down the road.
Very difficult to trade this year. Many teams have no picks to trade. Most teams are within 3 games of each other. Not worth it to force a trade. Team can beat most teams and has gotten better with rose — no Utah or la in east
Moving up in the draft is very rare. Few teams do it and few teams move down.
If a draft is heavy with PG’s, and say team has start young PG like Memphis or ATL, then perhaps they move down.....Knick have to be damn strong conviction for a specific player to concentrate assets for that young man!
wargames wrote:jrodmc wrote:Welpee wrote:martin wrote:
I was never on board with the tank-a-thon crew. At some point you have to learn to win by trying to win.
+1
Winning as a result of attempting to win. Along with working diligently on stopping the other team from putting the round thing in the hole.
Imagine that.
Ya’ll are too much.
Tank one more year, get really good talent, this isn’t a normal draft. It’s really to good to get on your high horses.....
It’s so good the knicks should probably consolidate both this years pick and that 2023 pick and try to get into the top five.
Just about every year there's somebody people think is worth tanking a season away to draft. FYI, 40% of last year's All-NBA team were drafted 15th or lower.
Welpee wrote:wargames wrote:jrodmc wrote:Welpee wrote:martin wrote:
I was never on board with the tank-a-thon crew. At some point you have to learn to win by trying to win.
+1
Winning as a result of attempting to win. Along with working diligently on stopping the other team from putting the round thing in the hole.
Imagine that.
Ya’ll are too much.
Tank one more year, get really good talent, this isn’t a normal draft. It’s really to good to get on your high horses.....
It’s so good the knicks should probably consolidate both this years pick and that 2023 pick and try to get into the top five.
Just about every year there's somebody people think is worth tanking a season away to draft. FYI, 40% of last year's All-NBA team were drafted 15th or lower.
This is true. It's also true that NBA Championships are won by an elite and limited number of players, most all of whom are drafted in top 5.
smackeddog wrote:
I love these takes.
"I barely watch the Knicks and haven't really payed attention to what they are doing on the court and you can tell by my take that I haven't looked at salary caps of either team but I do need some clicks and someone else mentioned that Knox was out of rotation or maybe some team asked out him, so here I go... I'll just insert New York Knicks as a tweet woo woo"
martin wrote:smackeddog wrote:
I love these takes.
"I barely watch the Knicks and haven't really payed attention to what they are doing on the court and you can tell by my take that I haven't looked at salary caps of either team but I do need some clicks and someone else mentioned that Knox was out of rotation or maybe some team asked out him, so here I go... I'll just insert New York Knicks as a tweet woo woo"
Yeah, it’s a weird take!
martin wrote:Welpee wrote:wargames wrote:jrodmc wrote:Welpee wrote:martin wrote:
I was never on board with the tank-a-thon crew. At some point you have to learn to win by trying to win.
+1
Winning as a result of attempting to win. Along with working diligently on stopping the other team from putting the round thing in the hole.
Imagine that.
Ya’ll are too much.
Tank one more year, get really good talent, this isn’t a normal draft. It’s really to good to get on your high horses.....
It’s so good the knicks should probably consolidate both this years pick and that 2023 pick and try to get into the top five.
Just about every year there's somebody people think is worth tanking a season away to draft. FYI, 40% of last year's All-NBA team were drafted 15th or lower.
This is true. It's also true that NBA Championships are won by an elite and limited number of players, most all of whom are drafted in top 5.
And if my calculations are correct, out of the last 10 NBA championships, only two elite top five drafted players won rings for the team who drafted them: Wade/Miami and Irving/Cleveland. Not counting Lebron in Cleveland since he left and came back.
So there are multiple avenues to get those elite players other than tanking: find them outside of the top five, trade for them, sign them as a free agent.
If somehow when the trade deadline passes and the young core of mitch, randle, rj, Quickley and toppin are still in the roster and by some miracle they are able to add Lonzo ball(trading payton in the process) get Mo bamba to back up Noel while mitch is out and somehow trade for Lavin and still leave a first round draft pick for the next 5 years, that is a team i want to see grow for the next 5 years. Can we atart holding on to players and stop the revolving doors for a chance. Can the front office embrace some form of roster stability and see how this group can grow together
Jimbo5 wrote:If somehow when the trade deadline passes and the young core of mitch, randle, rj, Quickley and toppin are still in the roster and by some miracle they are able to add Lonzo ball(trading payton in the process) get Mo bamba to back up Noel while mitch is out and somehow trade for Lavin and still leave a first round draft pick for the next 5 years, that is a team i want to see grow for the next 5 years. Can we atart holding on to players and stop the revolving doors for a chance. Can the front office embrace some form of roster stability and see how this group can grow together
So you are preaching roster stability and to stop the revolving door and at the same time proposing trading for Ball, Bamba and Lavine prior to the deadline this year. How do you propose to trade for any or all of those 3 without giving up core players or 1st round picks over the next 5 years?
