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Knixkik wrote:

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fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:starting PG - passer,good 3pt shooter, defender
starting SG - 25+ pt scorer at good % , 3pt shooter , solid defense
RJ+KnoX - good at SF
Randle +Obi - good at PF
Mitch + Noel - good at C
__________________________________________________________________________
BENCH
IQ +KNOX+OBI +NOEL+FRANK
that would be a top playoff team for the next few years

Quickley can be the PG you’re after. We just need that elite SG. Beal or LaVine.

Lavine might be the worst defensive player in the NBA. Beal is fantastic and would be worth trading for

My understanding is LaVine has improved as a defender, and he's played for Thibs and I guess Thibs liked him. Beal, for what it's worth, has developed a bad defensive rep this year with fans. Not sure if the numbers back it up, but neither is a good defender.

Another guy that has always intrigued me is Buddy Hield, but I understand there's a million reasons to not trade for him. I just feel like he's one of the most dynamic shooters in the league and can really bring what we lack.

no to Buddy... he's an empty stats scorer. Lavine is better than Buddy and more athletic. Neither of those guys play ANY D. Thing with Beal was he was once a good defensive player. Nobody on the NBA plays hard on D when you are 3-11 and your team is in the state that Wash is in.

I guess my thing with guys like Buddy/Zach is both are good but play the same position as RJ. While RJ is certainly not a shooter and doesnt project to be a great shooter he can be a physical force at SG and brings other things to the table. Both Zach/Buddy strike me as short term upgrades and not a big enough needle move to go after when we have RJ here. Beal is. The question is cost. Are you giving up IQ/Obi/RJ and 2 FRPs to get Beal? Dont think I can stomach that one

Its going to be really interesting what happens for sure! Knicks are in a unique position with $18mm in a cap space and an NBA post season that wont be played in front of fans. Teams might just wait and do nothing, but you might see owners pushing GMs to cut costs and the Knicks *should* have some chances

Agree with you on Buddy...When his shot isn't falling, he's not doing much else. No thanks, Bud.

Not concerned about Beal or any other elite wing we can bring in playing the same position as RJ as most wing spots are interchangeable. RJ is flourishing next to Bullock and Burks of late so it doesn't matter. It's never a bad thing to have multiple players who can handle the rock and create for himself and others.

Yeah at this point most of these SG/SFs are interchangeable. I like Burks. Bullock is ok. But i feel we need to upgrade the talent on the wing. To me it's more important than having a PG today.

An elite level wing, 6'8, 6'9 can push us into the upper tier of the East. You win 'chips with elite wings...Durant, LeBron, Kwahi, etc...Most elite wings can and will run some point-forward especially if they elite playmakers. This is why I really want us to get a crack at Cade Cunningham! He has the make-up to be an elite point-forward. Not saying he will be LeBron, Durant, Kwahi or even Luka level, but he has perennial allstar written all over him...He's a game changer for sure.

Uptown wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

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fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:starting PG - passer,good 3pt shooter, defender
starting SG - 25+ pt scorer at good % , 3pt shooter , solid defense
RJ+KnoX - good at SF
Randle +Obi - good at PF
Mitch + Noel - good at C
__________________________________________________________________________
BENCH
IQ +KNOX+OBI +NOEL+FRANK
that would be a top playoff team for the next few years

Quickley can be the PG you’re after. We just need that elite SG. Beal or LaVine.

Lavine might be the worst defensive player in the NBA. Beal is fantastic and would be worth trading for

My understanding is LaVine has improved as a defender, and he's played for Thibs and I guess Thibs liked him. Beal, for what it's worth, has developed a bad defensive rep this year with fans. Not sure if the numbers back it up, but neither is a good defender.

Another guy that has always intrigued me is Buddy Hield, but I understand there's a million reasons to not trade for him. I just feel like he's one of the most dynamic shooters in the league and can really bring what we lack.

no to Buddy... he's an empty stats scorer. Lavine is better than Buddy and more athletic. Neither of those guys play ANY D. Thing with Beal was he was once a good defensive player. Nobody on the NBA plays hard on D when you are 3-11 and your team is in the state that Wash is in.

I guess my thing with guys like Buddy/Zach is both are good but play the same position as RJ. While RJ is certainly not a shooter and doesnt project to be a great shooter he can be a physical force at SG and brings other things to the table. Both Zach/Buddy strike me as short term upgrades and not a big enough needle move to go after when we have RJ here. Beal is. The question is cost. Are you giving up IQ/Obi/RJ and 2 FRPs to get Beal? Dont think I can stomach that one

Its going to be really interesting what happens for sure! Knicks are in a unique position with $18mm in a cap space and an NBA post season that wont be played in front of fans. Teams might just wait and do nothing, but you might see owners pushing GMs to cut costs and the Knicks *should* have some chances

Agree with you on Buddy...When his shot isn't falling, he's not doing much else. No thanks, Bud.

Not concerned about Beal or any other elite wing we can bring in playing the same position as RJ as most wing spots are interchangeable. RJ is flourishing next to Bullock and Burks of late so it doesn't matter. It's never a bad thing to have multiple players who can handle the rock and create for himself and others.

Yeah at this point most of these SG/SFs are interchangeable. I like Burks. Bullock is ok. But i feel we need to upgrade the talent on the wing. To me it's more important than having a PG today.

An elite level wing, 6'8, 6'9 can push us into the upper tier of the East. You win 'chips with elite wings...Durant, LeBron, Kwahi, etc...Most elite wings can and will run some point-forward especially if they elite playmakers. This is why I really want us to get a crack at Cade Cunningham! He has the make-up to be an elite point-forward. Not saying he will be LeBron, Durant, Kwahi or even Luka level, but he has perennial allstar written all over him...He's a game changer for sure.

Completely agree. And I am still holding hope that Barrett can be some lesser version of that in the way that Jimmy Butler is and Paul Pierce was. Someone who can get us to playoffs and such until we find another guy to join along. I'm really hoping we have 2 future all-stars on this roster in Randle and Barrett. I won't write off Quickley either. Plus a future DPOY candidate in Mitch. The pieces are here. Just missing that real big piece.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:starting PG - passer,good 3pt shooter, defender
starting SG - 25+ pt scorer at good % , 3pt shooter , solid defense
RJ+KnoX - good at SF
Randle +Obi - good at PF
Mitch + Noel - good at C
__________________________________________________________________________
BENCH
IQ +KNOX+OBI +NOEL+FRANK
that would be a top playoff team for the next few years

Quickley can be the PG you’re after. We just need that elite SG. Beal or LaVine.

Lavine might be the worst defensive player in the NBA. Beal is fantastic and would be worth trading for

Bradley beal would be great
I would give 2 first + one-two young players (no RJ ,no IQ, no MITCH, no RANDLE)

nadavshomron wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:starting PG - passer,good 3pt shooter, defender
starting SG - 25+ pt scorer at good % , 3pt shooter , solid defense
RJ+KnoX - good at SF
Randle +Obi - good at PF
Mitch + Noel - good at C
__________________________________________________________________________
BENCH
IQ +KNOX+OBI +NOEL+FRANK
that would be a top playoff team for the next few years

Quickley can be the PG you’re after. We just need that elite SG. Beal or LaVine.

Lavine might be the worst defensive player in the NBA. Beal is fantastic and would be worth trading for

Bradley beal would be great
I would give 2 first + one-two young players (no RJ ,no IQ, no MITCH, no RANDLE)

Seems a bit lopsided. Would you do that trade if you are the Wizards? He is leading the league in scoring. They would absolutely be asking for one of the four you mentioned plus picks.

Agree Wizards would want one of these 4 and/or Toppin plus multiple picks. You make this move if you're a contender needing Beal to put you over the top... we're still far away from those dreams and the cost is too much. Plus his contract is crazy (27m going to 34m) and he's like 27/28 already. There are less expensive options out there. For me it's a Pass

ramtour420 wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:starting PG - passer,good 3pt shooter, defender
starting SG - 25+ pt scorer at good % , 3pt shooter , solid defense
RJ+KnoX - good at SF
Randle +Obi - good at PF
Mitch + Noel - good at C
__________________________________________________________________________
BENCH
IQ +KNOX+OBI +NOEL+FRANK
that would be a top playoff team for the next few years

Quickley can be the PG you’re after. We just need that elite SG. Beal or LaVine.

Lavine might be the worst defensive player in the NBA. Beal is fantastic and would be worth trading for

Bradley beal would be great
I would give 2 first + one-two young players (no RJ ,no IQ, no MITCH, no RANDLE)

Seems a bit lopsided. Would you do that trade if you are the Wizards? He is leading the league in scoring. They would absolutely be asking for one of the four you mentioned plus picks.

Exactly, you don’t get Beal for Picks only. You got to give them some decent players.

jskinny35 wrote:Agree Wizards would want one of these 4 and/or Toppin plus multiple picks. You make this move if you're a contender needing Beal to put you over the top... we're still far away from those dreams and the cost is too much. Plus his contract is crazy (27m going to 34m) and he's like 27/28 already. There are less expensive options out there. For me it's a Pass

Knicks could probably get Beal for Toppin, Quickley and 2 first round picks. Our drafted players this year carry serious value. Would we want to do it and have Beal, Randle, Barrett, Mitch and just need a PG? Tough call. I don’t want to part with these guys, especially Quickley. I would be tempted to stay the course.

Uptown wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:starting PG - passer,good 3pt shooter, defender
starting SG - 25+ pt scorer at good % , 3pt shooter , solid defense
RJ+KnoX - good at SF
Randle +Obi - good at PF
Mitch + Noel - good at C
__________________________________________________________________________
BENCH
IQ +KNOX+OBI +NOEL+FRANK
that would be a top playoff team for the next few years

Quickley can be the PG you’re after. We just need that elite SG. Beal or LaVine.

Lavine might be the worst defensive player in the NBA. Beal is fantastic and would be worth trading for

My understanding is LaVine has improved as a defender, and he's played for Thibs and I guess Thibs liked him. Beal, for what it's worth, has developed a bad defensive rep this year with fans. Not sure if the numbers back it up, but neither is a good defender.

Another guy that has always intrigued me is Buddy Hield, but I understand there's a million reasons to not trade for him. I just feel like he's one of the most dynamic shooters in the league and can really bring what we lack.

no to Buddy... he's an empty stats scorer. Lavine is better than Buddy and more athletic. Neither of those guys play ANY D. Thing with Beal was he was once a good defensive player. Nobody on the NBA plays hard on D when you are 3-11 and your team is in the state that Wash is in.

I guess my thing with guys like Buddy/Zach is both are good but play the same position as RJ. While RJ is certainly not a shooter and doesnt project to be a great shooter he can be a physical force at SG and brings other things to the table. Both Zach/Buddy strike me as short term upgrades and not a big enough needle move to go after when we have RJ here. Beal is. The question is cost. Are you giving up IQ/Obi/RJ and 2 FRPs to get Beal? Dont think I can stomach that one

Its going to be really interesting what happens for sure! Knicks are in a unique position with $18mm in a cap space and an NBA post season that wont be played in front of fans. Teams might just wait and do nothing, but you might see owners pushing GMs to cut costs and the Knicks *should* have some chances

Agree with you on Buddy...When his shot isn't falling, he's not doing much else. No thanks, Bud.

Not concerned about Beal or any other elite wing we can bring in playing the same position as RJ as most wing spots are interchangeable. RJ is flourishing next to Bullock and Burks of late so it doesn't matter. It's never a bad thing to have multiple players who can handle the rock and create for himself and others.

Yeah at this point most of these SG/SFs are interchangeable. I like Burks. Bullock is ok. But i feel we need to upgrade the talent on the wing. To me it's more important than having a PG today.

An elite level wing, 6'8, 6'9 can push us into the upper tier of the East. You win 'chips with elite wings...Durant, LeBron, Kwahi, etc...Most elite wings can and will run some point-forward especially if they elite playmakers. This is why I really want us to get a crack at Cade Cunningham! He has the make-up to be an elite point-forward. Not saying he will be LeBron, Durant, Kwahi or even Luka level, but he has perennial allstar written all over him...He's a game changer for sure.

I agree, RJ at the 2 where he can physically dominate smaller guards gives this team a higher ceiling. RJ at the 3 he is just middle of the road physically

Knixkik wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:Agree Wizards would want one of these 4 and/or Toppin plus multiple picks. You make this move if you're a contender needing Beal to put you over the top... we're still far away from those dreams and the cost is too much. Plus his contract is crazy (27m going to 34m) and he's like 27/28 already. There are less expensive options out there. For me it's a Pass

Knicks could probably get Beal for Toppin, Quickley and 2 first round picks. Our drafted players this year carry serious value. Would we want to do it and have Beal, Randle, Barrett, Mitch and just need a PG? Tough call. I don’t want to part with these guys, especially Quickley. I would be tempted to stay the course.

Houston wanted Simmons and Maxey, plus like four picks. Washington would probably ask for at least Randle and Quick (Obi would be redundant) and at least 3-4 picks (maybe we could work in some combo of swaps). And I'm probably low-balling.
I gave this some thought. I said Randle because I assumed they'd want to hold the line from being complete trash. But they already have Deni to man the 4 if needed. They'll probably ask for RJ instead.

Jmpasq wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:starting PG - passer,good 3pt shooter, defender
starting SG - 25+ pt scorer at good % , 3pt shooter , solid defense
RJ+KnoX - good at SF
Randle +Obi - good at PF
Mitch + Noel - good at C
__________________________________________________________________________
BENCH
IQ +KNOX+OBI +NOEL+FRANK
that would be a top playoff team for the next few years

Quickley can be the PG you’re after. We just need that elite SG. Beal or LaVine.

Lavine might be the worst defensive player in the NBA. Beal is fantastic and would be worth trading for

My understanding is LaVine has improved as a defender, and he's played for Thibs and I guess Thibs liked him. Beal, for what it's worth, has developed a bad defensive rep this year with fans. Not sure if the numbers back it up, but neither is a good defender.

Another guy that has always intrigued me is Buddy Hield, but I understand there's a million reasons to not trade for him. I just feel like he's one of the most dynamic shooters in the league and can really bring what we lack.

no to Buddy... he's an empty stats scorer. Lavine is better than Buddy and more athletic. Neither of those guys play ANY D. Thing with Beal was he was once a good defensive player. Nobody on the NBA plays hard on D when you are 3-11 and your team is in the state that Wash is in.

I guess my thing with guys like Buddy/Zach is both are good but play the same position as RJ. While RJ is certainly not a shooter and doesnt project to be a great shooter he can be a physical force at SG and brings other things to the table. Both Zach/Buddy strike me as short term upgrades and not a big enough needle move to go after when we have RJ here. Beal is. The question is cost. Are you giving up IQ/Obi/RJ and 2 FRPs to get Beal? Dont think I can stomach that one

Its going to be really interesting what happens for sure! Knicks are in a unique position with $18mm in a cap space and an NBA post season that wont be played in front of fans. Teams might just wait and do nothing, but you might see owners pushing GMs to cut costs and the Knicks *should* have some chances

Agree with you on Buddy...When his shot isn't falling, he's not doing much else. No thanks, Bud.

Not concerned about Beal or any other elite wing we can bring in playing the same position as RJ as most wing spots are interchangeable. RJ is flourishing next to Bullock and Burks of late so it doesn't matter. It's never a bad thing to have multiple players who can handle the rock and create for himself and others.

Yeah at this point most of these SG/SFs are interchangeable. I like Burks. Bullock is ok. But i feel we need to upgrade the talent on the wing. To me it's more important than having a PG today.

An elite level wing, 6'8, 6'9 can push us into the upper tier of the East. You win 'chips with elite wings...Durant, LeBron, Kwahi, etc...Most elite wings can and will run some point-forward especially if they elite playmakers. This is why I really want us to get a crack at Cade Cunningham! He has the make-up to be an elite point-forward. Not saying he will be LeBron, Durant, Kwahi or even Luka level, but he has perennial allstar written all over him...He's a game changer for sure.

I agree, RJ at the 2 where he can physically dominate smaller guards gives this team a higher ceiling. RJ at the 3 he is just middle of the road physically

If they could mix in a SF with some playmaking ability even better!

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:Agree Wizards would want one of these 4 and/or Toppin plus multiple picks. You make this move if you're a contender needing Beal to put you over the top... we're still far away from those dreams and the cost is too much. Plus his contract is crazy (27m going to 34m) and he's like 27/28 already. There are less expensive options out there. For me it's a Pass

Knicks could probably get Beal for Toppin, Quickley and 2 first round picks. Our drafted players this year carry serious value. Would we want to do it and have Beal, Randle, Barrett, Mitch and just need a PG? Tough call. I don’t want to part with these guys, especially Quickley. I would be tempted to stay the course.

Houston wanted Simmons and Maxey, plus like four picks. Washington would probably ask for at least Randle and Quick (Obi would be redundant) and at least 3-4 picks (maybe we could work in some combo of swaps). And I'm probably low-balling.
I gave this some thought. I said Randle because I assumed they'd want to hold the line from being complete trash. But they already have Deni to man the 4 if needed. They'll probably ask for RJ instead.

Yeah you’re right. They would probably ask for Barrett quickley and picks. We could get it done if we wanted but I feel like trading the guys we are invested in really ruins some of the fun.

Jmpasq wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:starting PG - passer,good 3pt shooter, defender
starting SG - 25+ pt scorer at good % , 3pt shooter , solid defense
RJ+KnoX - good at SF
Randle +Obi - good at PF
Mitch + Noel - good at C
__________________________________________________________________________
BENCH
IQ +KNOX+OBI +NOEL+FRANK
that would be a top playoff team for the next few years

Quickley can be the PG you’re after. We just need that elite SG. Beal or LaVine.

Lavine might be the worst defensive player in the NBA. Beal is fantastic and would be worth trading for

My understanding is LaVine has improved as a defender, and he's played for Thibs and I guess Thibs liked him. Beal, for what it's worth, has developed a bad defensive rep this year with fans. Not sure if the numbers back it up, but neither is a good defender.

Another guy that has always intrigued me is Buddy Hield, but I understand there's a million reasons to not trade for him. I just feel like he's one of the most dynamic shooters in the league and can really bring what we lack.

no to Buddy... he's an empty stats scorer. Lavine is better than Buddy and more athletic. Neither of those guys play ANY D. Thing with Beal was he was once a good defensive player. Nobody on the NBA plays hard on D when you are 3-11 and your team is in the state that Wash is in.

I guess my thing with guys like Buddy/Zach is both are good but play the same position as RJ. While RJ is certainly not a shooter and doesnt project to be a great shooter he can be a physical force at SG and brings other things to the table. Both Zach/Buddy strike me as short term upgrades and not a big enough needle move to go after when we have RJ here. Beal is. The question is cost. Are you giving up IQ/Obi/RJ and 2 FRPs to get Beal? Dont think I can stomach that one

Its going to be really interesting what happens for sure! Knicks are in a unique position with $18mm in a cap space and an NBA post season that wont be played in front of fans. Teams might just wait and do nothing, but you might see owners pushing GMs to cut costs and the Knicks *should* have some chances

Agree with you on Buddy...When his shot isn't falling, he's not doing much else. No thanks, Bud.

Not concerned about Beal or any other elite wing we can bring in playing the same position as RJ as most wing spots are interchangeable. RJ is flourishing next to Bullock and Burks of late so it doesn't matter. It's never a bad thing to have multiple players who can handle the rock and create for himself and others.

Yeah at this point most of these SG/SFs are interchangeable. I like Burks. Bullock is ok. But i feel we need to upgrade the talent on the wing. To me it's more important than having a PG today.

An elite level wing, 6'8, 6'9 can push us into the upper tier of the East. You win 'chips with elite wings...Durant, LeBron, Kwahi, etc...Most elite wings can and will run some point-forward especially if they elite playmakers. This is why I really want us to get a crack at Cade Cunningham! He has the make-up to be an elite point-forward. Not saying he will be LeBron, Durant, Kwahi or even Luka level, but he has perennial allstar written all over him...He's a game changer for sure.

I agree, RJ at the 2 where he can physically dominate smaller guards gives this team a higher ceiling. RJ at the 3 he is just middle of the road physically

I agree. Given his defensive improvements I think he may be better utilized at the 2.

Knixkik wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:Agree Wizards would want one of these 4 and/or Toppin plus multiple picks. You make this move if you're a contender needing Beal to put you over the top... we're still far away from those dreams and the cost is too much. Plus his contract is crazy (27m going to 34m) and he's like 27/28 already. There are less expensive options out there. For me it's a Pass

Knicks could probably get Beal for Toppin, Quickley and 2 first round picks. Our drafted players this year carry serious value. Would we want to do it and have Beal, Randle, Barrett, Mitch and just need a PG? Tough call. I don’t want to part with these guys, especially Quickley. I would be tempted to stay the course.

When weighed against what we would have to give up, and STILL no PG, I agree. We must stay the course and see what assets come after buyouts and the next draft. Our time would be better spent developing the players we have now, in preparation for the upcoming season.

jskinny35 wrote:Agree Wizards would want one of these 4 and/or Toppin plus multiple picks. You make this move if you're a contender needing Beal to put you over the top... we're still far away from those dreams and the cost is too much. Plus his contract is crazy (27m going to 34m) and he's like 27/28 already. There are less expensive options out there. For me it's a Pass

big time pass for where this team is. he has already been on teams where he was the focal point and lead them nowhere. trading multiple bodies/picks seems like beal will just move from one treadmill to another. he seems frustrated as is, then let him have some nyc media fun.

Knixkik wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:starting PG - passer,good 3pt shooter, defender
starting SG - 25+ pt scorer at good % , 3pt shooter , solid defense
RJ+KnoX - good at SF
Randle +Obi - good at PF
Mitch + Noel - good at C
__________________________________________________________________________
BENCH
IQ +KNOX+OBI +NOEL+FRANK
that would be a top playoff team for the next few years

Quickley can be the PG you’re after. We just need that elite SG. Beal or LaVine.

Lavine might be the worst defensive player in the NBA. Beal is fantastic and would be worth trading for

My understanding is LaVine has improved as a defender, and he's played for Thibs and I guess Thibs liked him. Beal, for what it's worth, has developed a bad defensive rep this year with fans. Not sure if the numbers back it up, but neither is a good defender.

Another guy that has always intrigued me is Buddy Hield, but I understand there's a million reasons to not trade for him. I just feel like he's one of the most dynamic shooters in the league and can really bring what we lack.

no to Buddy... he's an empty stats scorer. Lavine is better than Buddy and more athletic. Neither of those guys play ANY D. Thing with Beal was he was once a good defensive player. Nobody on the NBA plays hard on D when you are 3-11 and your team is in the state that Wash is in.

I guess my thing with guys like Buddy/Zach is both are good but play the same position as RJ. While RJ is certainly not a shooter and doesnt project to be a great shooter he can be a physical force at SG and brings other things to the table. Both Zach/Buddy strike me as short term upgrades and not a big enough needle move to go after when we have RJ here. Beal is. The question is cost. Are you giving up IQ/Obi/RJ and 2 FRPs to get Beal? Dont think I can stomach that one

Its going to be really interesting what happens for sure! Knicks are in a unique position with $18mm in a cap space and an NBA post season that wont be played in front of fans. Teams might just wait and do nothing, but you might see owners pushing GMs to cut costs and the Knicks *should* have some chances

Agree with you on Buddy...When his shot isn't falling, he's not doing much else. No thanks, Bud.

Not concerned about Beal or any other elite wing we can bring in playing the same position as RJ as most wing spots are interchangeable. RJ is flourishing next to Bullock and Burks of late so it doesn't matter. It's never a bad thing to have multiple players who can handle the rock and create for himself and others.

Yeah at this point most of these SG/SFs are interchangeable. I like Burks. Bullock is ok. But i feel we need to upgrade the talent on the wing. To me it's more important than having a PG today.

An elite level wing, 6'8, 6'9 can push us into the upper tier of the East. You win 'chips with elite wings...Durant, LeBron, Kwahi, etc...Most elite wings can and will run some point-forward especially if they elite playmakers. This is why I really want us to get a crack at Cade Cunningham! He has the make-up to be an elite point-forward. Not saying he will be LeBron, Durant, Kwahi or even Luka level, but he has perennial allstar written all over him...He's a game changer for sure.

I agree, RJ at the 2 where he can physically dominate smaller guards gives this team a higher ceiling. RJ at the 3 he is just middle of the road physically

I agree. Given his defensive improvements I think he may be better utilized at the 2.

Knicks need a NBA starter SG (to show Quickley the ropes), and a NBA starter PF (to show MitchRob & Obi Toppin the ropes).

When RJ shot is not dropping he's useless on offense and defense, and to the team.
RJ has become a ball-stopper on offense.
RJ has a very low B.ball IQ on the court, plus RJ does not have any creative moves to take advantage of smaller defenders.
RJ Barrett's passing-skills has lead to more turnovers than assists.
Our 2nd season RJ need a mentor asap to become a complimentary player.
I too, dont know what position fits RJ athletic performance yet.
The mismanagement-Knicks coaches Fiz/Miller/Thibs gives RJ 30 plus minute per game from being the 3rd pick in the draft .. Not from RJ inconsistent performance.

Randle is not a winning PF! Every time Randle dribble the ball he become the Knicks ball-stopper, and top turnover king.
This is the first season Randle put a lot of energy toward playing team-ball with his teammates.
However, Randle has not lost all his bad habits as an individual player.
Randle has always had problems working side by side with his teammate center down-low on offense and defense.
Randle has not learned how to switch well on defense, nor box-out down-low or give a decent pick for a teammate. Randle playing point-foward are only good for the Knicks vs weak teams.
Randle is the wrong type of PF to mentor rookie Obi Toppin.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nadavshomron wrote:starting PG - passer,good 3pt shooter, defender
starting SG - 25+ pt scorer at good % , 3pt shooter , solid defense
RJ+KnoX - good at SF
Randle +Obi - good at PF
Mitch + Noel - good at C
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BENCH
IQ +KNOX+OBI +NOEL+FRANK
that would be a top playoff team for the next few years

Quickley can be the PG you’re after. We just need that elite SG. Beal or LaVine.

Lavine might be the worst defensive player in the NBA. Beal is fantastic and would be worth trading for

Beal dosent really play D himself though he’s quite capable.

The answer is Gary Trent Jr.

He is 22
Is a 2-way SG with no major weaknesses
He’s a RFA and not a position of need for Portland to match a stupid offer

We can offer him the starting spot, pay him something comparable to Randle and slide him into the 2 spot and still have money to add other positions of need.

Quickley
Trent
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Quick and Trent might be able to provide enough outside shooting to make RJ and Randle feasible too.

wargames wrote:The answer is Gary Trent Jr.

He is 22
Is a 2-way SG with no major weaknesses
He’s a RFA and not a position of need for Portland to match a stupid offer

We can offer him the starting spot, pay him something comparable to Randle and slide him into the 2 spot and still have money to add other positions of need.

Quickley
Trent
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Quick and Trent might be able to provide enough outside shooting to make RJ and Randle feasible too.

Oh wow, yes to this type of player. Nice catch

What type of contract?

martin wrote:

wargames wrote:The answer is Gary Trent Jr.

He is 22
Is a 2-way SG with no major weaknesses
He’s a RFA and not a position of need for Portland to match a stupid offer

We can offer him the starting spot, pay him something comparable to Randle and slide him into the 2 spot and still have money to add other positions of need.

Quickley
Trent
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Quick and Trent might be able to provide enough outside shooting to make RJ and Randle feasible too.

Oh wow, yes to this type of player. Nice catch

What type of contract?

$15 to $17 mil? He already declined a four year, $54 mil extension off from Portland and he's going to have his fair share of suitors. He's represented by Klutch and he's also restricted, so the offer needs to be big enough to scare Portland off. I would say pass. He's a good shooter, but he really doesn't offer a lot in the way of playmaking and paint scoring.
I just compared his stats to Allen Crabbe when he was in Portland and they're pretty similar.

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

wargames wrote:The answer is Gary Trent Jr.

He is 22
Is a 2-way SG with no major weaknesses
He’s a RFA and not a position of need for Portland to match a stupid offer

We can offer him the starting spot, pay him something comparable to Randle and slide him into the 2 spot and still have money to add other positions of need.

Quickley
Trent
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Quick and Trent might be able to provide enough outside shooting to make RJ and Randle feasible too.

Oh wow, yes to this type of player. Nice catch

What type of contract?

$15 to $17 mil? He already declined a four year, $54 mil extension off from Portland and he's going to have his fair share of suitors. He's represented by Klutch and he's also restricted, so the offer needs to be big enough to scare Portland off. I would say pass. He's a good shooter, but he really doesn't offer a lot in the way of playmaking and paint scoring.
I just compared his stats to Allen Crabbe when he was in Portland and they're pretty similar.

$13-15M per sounds about right to me with no increases.

I don't know enough about Trent but did he guard LeBron during the playoffs last year? And how was he?

I wouldn't worry about playmaking or paint scoring, those aren't the reasons you pay for a player like him. Shooting and defending.

Think of signing a guy like Trent, at a cost that speaks to his contract and no more, as a throw-in piece to trading for the likes of Beal and then it makes more sense?

Knicks are in the position to sign players to reasonable contracts and build from there IMHO

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

wargames wrote:The answer is Gary Trent Jr.

He is 22
Is a 2-way SG with no major weaknesses
He’s a RFA and not a position of need for Portland to match a stupid offer

We can offer him the starting spot, pay him something comparable to Randle and slide him into the 2 spot and still have money to add other positions of need.

Quickley
Trent
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Quick and Trent might be able to provide enough outside shooting to make RJ and Randle feasible too.

Oh wow, yes to this type of player. Nice catch

What type of contract?

$15 to $17 mil? He already declined a four year, $54 mil extension off from Portland and he's going to have his fair share of suitors. He's represented by Klutch and he's also restricted, so the offer needs to be big enough to scare Portland off. I would say pass. He's a good shooter, but he really doesn't offer a lot in the way of playmaking and paint scoring.
I just compared his stats to Allen Crabbe when he was in Portland and they're pretty similar.

$13-15M per sounds about right to me with no increases.

I don't know enough about Trent but did he guard LeBron during the playoffs last year? And how was he?

I wouldn't worry about playmaking or paint scoring, those aren't the reasons you pay for a player like him. Shooting and defending.

Think of signing a guy like Trent, at a cost that speaks to his contract and no more, as a throw-in piece to trading for the likes of Beal and then it makes more sense?

Knicks are in the position to sign players to reasonable contracts and build from there IMHO

$13-$15 is acceptable, but he's looking for more than that. Plus, that's not enough to scare Portland. They already offered an extension close to that.