Knicks · Andre Drummond (page 1)

Let’s get him. We have the picks to offer. Then resign him next summer and use Mitch as trade bait

Drummond's defense isnt bad. Would want it to be better for what he will ask. Like Mitch, stays mostly in the paint. Maybe find a good two way Center in the draft, in addition to Mitch. Bench cant be too deep.

For what Drummond will ask, would rather go for an FA who has more facets to his game. We dont have that type of player yet. Who plays at an elite level. They arent cheap.

Drummond and Randle would kill spacing that already is not great. Unless you are suggesting for the bench.

Knicks are ranked 25th in the league on offense, 4th on defense. Some of that is the coaching style of Thibs, but they need some more shot makers and spacing.
Knicks are 29th in the league on 3 point attempts, and 24th in 3 point %. If they wanna be a playoff lock, they need to make a trade for some more spacing and 3 point shooting.

nyknickzingis wrote:Drummond and Randle would kill spacing that already is not great. Unless you are suggesting for the bench.

Knicks are ranked 25th in the league on offense, 4th on defense. Some of that is the coaching style of Thibs, but they need some more shot makers and spacing.
Knicks are 29th in the league on 3 point attempts, and 24th in 3 point %. If they wanna be a playoff lock, they need to make a trade for some more spacing and 3 point shooting.

This “Randle kills spacing” concept is so pre-season. The guy hits his 3’s. He starts his work in the paint. Elf and Barrett kill spacing, cause their perimeter game is meh. I am done calling Randle the problem.

Robinson’s hand injury is a setback for the team, but it’s not permanent. He will be fine. He deserves to keep his job with his defensive play. Noel may not be “as” good, but he is a fine injury replacement.

I’d love to see some more interesting lineups with this temporary vacancy. Like what happens when Randle slides to C with

Rose
Quickley
Burks
Toppin
Randle

I think Rudy Gorbert and the success of the jazz thus far have hushed the snickering. Mitch is not Rudy and we are no the Jazz but we dont’ have to chase down impulse or pay for a pending free agent to salvage a season. If there is a plan or an outline of one I’d love to read it. But we are not privy to it.
With a third off the season in we are seeing some teams coming together. Sac and Jazz are falling into place.
Knicks are improved and improving........its good.

nyknickzingis wrote:Drummond and Randle would kill spacing that already is not great. Unless you are suggesting for the bench.

Knicks are ranked 25th in the league on offense, 4th on defense. Some of that is the coaching style of Thibs, but they need some more shot makers and spacing.
Knicks are 29th in the league on 3 point attempts, and 24th in 3 point %. If they wanna be a playoff lock, they need to make a trade for some more spacing and 3 point shooting.

We need a SF 6'8" or 6'9" SF that can shoot at high volumes. Mikal Bridges was there we didn't take him. Jermai Grant was available we didn' t sign him. Otto Porter is who we should trade for

We have Gibson and Noel
If we need another body we have to think about it wisely.
We don’t have Quickley if we think like this.
I’m not opposed to giving up a 1 in the right deal for a really good player
But only a 2 for a pending free agent and while Drummond is a good player. — it’s not the route to go

Jmpasq wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Drummond and Randle would kill spacing that already is not great. Unless you are suggesting for the bench.

Knicks are ranked 25th in the league on offense, 4th on defense. Some of that is the coaching style of Thibs, but they need some more shot makers and spacing.
Knicks are 29th in the league on 3 point attempts, and 24th in 3 point %. If they wanna be a playoff lock, they need to make a trade for some more spacing and 3 point shooting.

We need a SF 6'8" or 6'9" SF that can shoot at high volumes. Mikal Bridges was there we didn't take him. Jermai Grant was available we didn' t sign him. Otto Porter is who we should trade for

But we didn’t.
And instead we have other advantages or disadvantages from it. That said what asset do you trade for Porter and do you perceive him to be a long term acquisition and thus the potential opportunity cost spend on him worthy?
Mikal bridges sudden ascension at age 25 has much to do with Ayton being really good not, HOF CP3 running the point and further HOF Booker not having to carry the load. Notice how Frank Kaminsky integrated with better talent is not a solid contributor? Cam Freaking Johnson is not just a shooter but rounding into a good player. SUns well coached and talent has now elevated the other talents.
Suns LAST season showed this and by bubble time were red hot. Good for them. Now ask your selves in almost 2.5 seasons if Bridges was a knick.........YOu really think he’d be the talk of envy? Not giving excuses for 21 year old Knox but if they switched places might we dare say the outcomes would be related?

Cmon man you know our biggest issue is floor spacing. Even though I’m not thrilled about Randle and Mitch’s future, at least I can count on their defenses every night. Can’t say the same for Drummond.

Nalod wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Drummond and Randle would kill spacing that already is not great. Unless you are suggesting for the bench.

Knicks are ranked 25th in the league on offense, 4th on defense. Some of that is the coaching style of Thibs, but they need some more shot makers and spacing.
Knicks are 29th in the league on 3 point attempts, and 24th in 3 point %. If they wanna be a playoff lock, they need to make a trade for some more spacing and 3 point shooting.

We need a SF 6'8" or 6'9" SF that can shoot at high volumes. Mikal Bridges was there we didn't take him. Jermai Grant was available we didn' t sign him. Otto Porter is who we should trade for

But we didn’t.
And instead we have other advantages or disadvantages from it. That said what asset do you trade for Porter and do you perceive him to be a long term acquisition and thus the potential opportunity cost spend on him worthy?
Mikal bridges sudden ascension at age 25 has much to do with Ayton being really good not, HOF CP3 running the point and further HOF Booker not having to carry the load. Notice how Frank Kaminsky integrated with better talent is not a solid contributor? Cam Freaking Johnson is not just a shooter but rounding into a good player. SUns well coached and talent has now elevated the other talents.
Suns LAST season showed this and by bubble time were red hot. Good for them. Now ask your selves in almost 2.5 seasons if Bridges was a knick.........YOu really think he’d be the talk of envy? Not giving excuses for 21 year old Knox but if they switched places might we dare say the outcomes would be related?

I don't think the cost for Porter will be all that high. The deal would involve Knox and Frank for sure. At this point both of our 2021 picks will be outside the lottery. As long as we stay away from Oladipo I'll be happy

got to love those empty stat players that don't complement the players we've got- SIGN ME UP!!!!!!

Let's get away from knee jerk reactions please. I would stay the course until Mitch comes back. Play small ball with Randle and Obi.

Drummond wouldn’t waste my time he’ll sign with the Lakers for the vet min to chase a chip. nether is grant or bridges. Right now we have two potential lotto picks in this years draft... Mavs are about to start a grueling schedule vs playoff teams ... unless we can get a star for pennies on the dollar (Payton,knox,frank,det2nd) . We should roll with what we have, it’ll be just our luck if we trade the mavs pick and luka goes out with a season ending injury and that pick becomes Cade .

I know some want to win now but I wanna win long term, plus this team is super fun to watch I’ll be happy with just a playoff birth .

We also can’t just sign players out of panic look at Atlanta.

BRIGGS wrote:
We have Gibson and Noel
If we need another body we have to think about it wisely.
We don’t have Quickley if we think like this.
I’m not opposed to giving up a 1 in the right deal for a really good player
But only a 2 for a pending free agent and while Drummond is a good player. — it’s not the route to go

Gibson and Noel isn’t enough that’s why Mitch was playing 30 minutes a night

TPercy wrote:Cmon man you know our biggest issue is floor spacing. Even though I’m not thrilled about Randle and Mitch’s future, at least I can count on their defenses every night. Can’t say the same for Drummond.

Drummond is a good defender and one of if not the best rebounder in the league

Philc1 wrote:Let’s get him. We have the picks to offer. Then resign him next summer and use Mitch as trade bait

Literally to what end?

And are we talking about a 2nd round pick protected out to 50? If so, I'm OK with that.... maybe

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Let’s get him. We have the picks to offer. Then resign him next summer and use Mitch as trade bait

Literally to what end?

And are we talking about a 2nd round pick protected out to 50? If so, I'm OK with that.... maybe

I read somewhere that Clev might prefer keeping Drummond for the time being and staying competitive. They believe they can still get assets back in a sign and trade. I don't view the Knicks situation as desperate and I don't think they need to rush into a trade. Drummond is a mixed bag. Yes, the offense gets a boost, but the defense takes a hit.

Unfortunately he’s out with a sprained ankle at the moment, but Justin Patton of the Westchester Knicks an intriguing possibility to help fill in for Mitch. He has a history and is on good terms with Thibs too. Mike Vorkunov wrote a nice piece about him in The Athletic a few days ago. I hope the Knicks give him a shot.

I think the knicks should trade for andre drummond only make up 23 million dollars in salary i would do frank, ignaz brazdigis, 2 second round picks, and 15 million in capspace.
The expiring contract of Andre Drummond is the biggest factor determining his trade value, according to Bobby Marks of ESPN, as the Cleveland Cavaliers are shutting down the veteran center until they can strike a deal.

Drummond is due to make $28.7 million this season.

That means the Cavs will have to take back $23 million worth of contracts in a Drummond trade, and that effort “is a big obstacle right now,” Marks noted.

That said, plenty of teams have a high interest in Drummond, who led the NBA in rebounding last season and is averaging 17.5 points and 13.5 rebounds this year. The list supposedly includes the Toronto Raptors, Boston Celtics, Charlotte Hornets, Brooklyn Nets, Portland Trail Blazers, New York Knicks and Los Angeles Clippers.

Sources told FortyEightMinutes that Drummond became unhappy with his decreased minutes after the Cavs traded for young center Jarrett Allen, formerly of the Nets.

“Here’s the big question I have when it comes to Andre Drummond,” Marks tweeted. “What happens at 3:01 p.m. on March 25 (trade deadline) when he hasn’t been traded and has been shut down for five weeks? Could be a difference-maker if there’s a buyout down the road.”

Drummond and Cavs coach J.B. Bickerstaff reportedly have had multiple conversations about Drummond’s approach and effort in recent weeks.

Cavs general manager Koby Altman and Drummond’s camp agreed for Drummond to remain with the team, but not play, until a trade can be made.

https://fortyeightminutes.com/andre-drummond-trade-cavs/

houston20 wrote:I think the knicks should trade for andre drummond only make up 23 million dollars in salary i would do frank, ignaz brazdigis, 2 second round picks, and 15 million in capspace.
The expiring contract of Andre Drummond is the biggest factor determining his trade value, according to Bobby Marks of ESPN, as the Cleveland Cavaliers are shutting down the veteran center until they can strike a deal.

Drummond is due to make $28.7 million this season.

That means the Cavs will have to take back $23 million worth of contracts in a Drummond trade, and that effort “is a big obstacle right now,” Marks noted.

That said, plenty of teams have a high interest in Drummond, who led the NBA in rebounding last season and is averaging 17.5 points and 13.5 rebounds this year. The list supposedly includes the Toronto Raptors, Boston Celtics, Charlotte Hornets, Brooklyn Nets, Portland Trail Blazers, New York Knicks and Los Angeles Clippers.

Sources told FortyEightMinutes that Drummond became unhappy with his decreased minutes after the Cavs traded for young center Jarrett Allen, formerly of the Nets.

“Here’s the big question I have when it comes to Andre Drummond,” Marks tweeted. “What happens at 3:01 p.m. on March 25 (trade deadline) when he hasn’t been traded and has been shut down for five weeks? Could be a difference-maker if there’s a buyout down the road.”

Drummond and Cavs coach J.B. Bickerstaff reportedly have had multiple conversations about Drummond’s approach and effort in recent weeks.

Cavs general manager Koby Altman and Drummond’s camp agreed for Drummond to remain with the team, but not play, until a trade can be made.

https://fortyeightminutes.com/andre-drummond-trade-cavs/

This slip of info really hurts the cavs no one is gonna give anything of value for Drummond who can be had in free agency without giving up assets. Unless there’s a guarantee he signs long term.

It’s foolish to think Andre can’t help our roster become more complete as much as I love Mitch his ideal role is as a backup that comes in with force.

Knox
Frank
Noah
Det second

Nothing more

Andre, Mitch
Randle, obi
Barrett, burks
Bullock, quick
Payton, rose

That team can make noise in the playoffs if Andre can’t mesh let him walk and sign Lowry and VO or someone no one is talking about derozen. Although DD can’t shoot he’s still a star . And we have our two firsts . So we can always make a run at Levine or Beal..

With this said I’m happy just sitting back and keeping the rebuild going . Thibs deserves coach of the year.

Only deal I'd for Drummond:

Noel, rivers and our worst second round pick. For our extra roster spot, I'd convert theo pinsons contract to a regular one.