Knicks · Barrett is quietly emerging (page 5)

ramtour420 @ 3/13/2021 11:04 PM
What I've really liked from him ( saw it work for a few plays to end the game against OKC)so when Randle gets doubled in his office, about 12-15 feet away from the hoop on the right,I saw RJ make a cut into the paint and receive a pass in great scoring position. Very nice pressure release valve for Randle.
ESOMKnicks @ 3/14/2021 5:15 AM
ramtour420 wrote:What I've really liked from him ( saw it work for a few plays to end the game against OKC)so when Randle gets doubled in his office, about 12-15 feet away from the hoop on the right, I saw RJ make a cut into the paint and receive a pass in great scoring position. Very nice pressure release valve for Randle.

Yes, one thing that is apparent with RJ is that things that worked well for him in college have started to work in the NBA as well. His game is not based on outstanding athleticism or shot accuracy, but rather on craft to confuse and bamboozle the defender with unorthodox pace and steps. He may not be as dazzling as MJ, Kobe or Vince Carter, but his craft-based game should enable him to remain a highly effective scorer for a very long time, even when his physique begins to break down. Playing off a PF like Randle is also helping him the same way he fed off Zion at Duke.

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fishmike @ 3/15/2021 1:17 PM
martin wrote:

article doesn't mention Perry. Just a warning.

RJ could be the Tim Duncan of SGs. They are similar athletes. Duncan always failed the eye test. He was a stiff. He was an ungraceful athlete. But an incredibly effective one. The speed was there, the quickness was there, the stroke was there.... it just didnt LOOK there, and RJ is like that. He does really good things but looks so clunky doing it you are like wait.. that was good right?

The Minn game really stood out to me because time and time again he stuck with Edwards stride for stride and was right on his hip on defense. Edwards who is a wild athlete and football player simply couldnt shake RJ. Barrett was on him the whole time. On offense RJ had a lot of "good misses" but still finished with 21 on 10-20 (0-1 FT ) but the point is when matched up against a young high flier like Edwards I expected RJ's athleticism to potentially be exposed and it was the opposite. RJ is also built like a truck. He's a big kid and as he gets a bit stronger those drives are going to more that much more effective. You cant run him over on offense and he plays in the paint like he belongs.

I am feeling more and more like we have a real young nucleus with RJ/IQ/Mitch, Randle's a legit 26 year old all star. I actually hope we keep Noel, who's also 26 and would be a great backup/insurance/depth/rotation guy for a long time. If we could somehow add 2-3 more of that caliber we would REALLY be cooking Im still an Obi believer but we'll talk about him when he's popping. Right now its RJ and its great.

TheGame @ 3/15/2021 1:40 PM
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:

article doesn't mention Perry. Just a warning.

RJ could be the Tim Duncan of SGs. They are similar athletes. Duncan always failed the eye test. He was a stiff. He was an ungraceful athlete. But an incredibly effective one. The speed was there, the quickness was there, the stroke was there.... it just didnt LOOK there, and RJ is like that. He does really good things but looks so clunky doing it you are like wait.. that was good right?

The Minn game really stood out to me because time and time again he stuck with Edwards stride for stride and was right on his hip on defense. Edwards who is a wild athlete and football player simply couldnt shake RJ. Barrett was on him the whole time. On offense RJ had a lot of "good misses" but still finished with 21 on 10-20 (0-1 FT ) but the point is when matched up against a young high flier like Edwards I expected RJ's athleticism to potentially be exposed and it was the opposite. RJ is also built like a truck. He's a big kid and as he gets a bit stronger those drives are going to more that much more effective. You cant run him over on offense and he plays in the paint like he belongs.

I am feeling more and more like we have a real young nucleus with RJ/IQ/Mitch, Randle's a legit 26 year old all star. I actually hope we keep Noel, who's also 26 and would be a great backup/insurance/depth/rotation guy for a long time.If we could somehow add 2-3 more of that caliber we would REALLY be cooking Im still an Obi believer but we'll talk about him when he's popping. Right now its RJ and its great.

Wholly agree. RJ, IQ, Randle, and Mitch with Noel backing up Mitch is a solid base. I also like Toppin longterm as a guy who can grow into a good scorer, who we can then keep or trade to help in another area. RJ, IQ, and Randle all have star potential.

MaTT4281 @ 3/15/2021 1:40 PM
fishmike wrote:I actually hope we keep Noel, who's also 26 and would be a great backup/insurance/depth/rotation guy for a long time.

Holy sh*t...I had to look it up to confirm.

Born: April 10, 1994 (age 26 years), Malden, MA

I had in my head he was closer to 30...this is already his 8th year! Yes, bring the man back! Terrific backup!

martin @ 3/15/2021 2:01 PM
Knixkik @ 3/15/2021 3:18 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I actually hope we keep Noel, who's also 26 and would be a great backup/insurance/depth/rotation guy for a long time.

Holy sh*t...I had to look it up to confirm.

Born: April 10, 1994 (age 26 years), Malden, MA

I had in my head he was closer to 30...this is already his 8th year! Yes, bring the man back! Terrific backup!


Yes hard to believe he's still young. He's a great fit as a backup center long-term.
Knixkik @ 3/15/2021 3:22 PM
TheGame wrote:
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:

article doesn't mention Perry. Just a warning.

RJ could be the Tim Duncan of SGs. They are similar athletes. Duncan always failed the eye test. He was a stiff. He was an ungraceful athlete. But an incredibly effective one. The speed was there, the quickness was there, the stroke was there.... it just didnt LOOK there, and RJ is like that. He does really good things but looks so clunky doing it you are like wait.. that was good right?

The Minn game really stood out to me because time and time again he stuck with Edwards stride for stride and was right on his hip on defense. Edwards who is a wild athlete and football player simply couldnt shake RJ. Barrett was on him the whole time. On offense RJ had a lot of "good misses" but still finished with 21 on 10-20 (0-1 FT ) but the point is when matched up against a young high flier like Edwards I expected RJ's athleticism to potentially be exposed and it was the opposite. RJ is also built like a truck. He's a big kid and as he gets a bit stronger those drives are going to more that much more effective. You cant run him over on offense and he plays in the paint like he belongs.

I am feeling more and more like we have a real young nucleus with RJ/IQ/Mitch, Randle's a legit 26 year old all star. I actually hope we keep Noel, who's also 26 and would be a great backup/insurance/depth/rotation guy for a long time.If we could somehow add 2-3 more of that caliber we would REALLY be cooking Im still an Obi believer but we'll talk about him when he's popping. Right now its RJ and its great.

Wholly agree. RJ, IQ, Randle, and Mitch with Noel backing up Mitch is a solid base. I also like Toppin longterm as a guy who can grow into a good scorer, who we can then keep or trade to help in another area. RJ, IQ, and Randle all have star potential.

Agreed that Randle, Barrett, and Quickley (who i consider the core) all have star potential to some degree. Randle already there and just scratching the surface. Hopefully Robinson/Noel provide a stable long-term center duo. Toppin will be fine, but we will have to see if his future is here, or if he becomes part of a package for another high-level starter. Barrett is sort of the swing player for the future of this team. If he continues to improve like he is now, he becomes a star and raises the ceiling of this team long-term. Right now it's looking very good.

EwingsGlass @ 3/15/2021 3:57 PM
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:

article doesn't mention Perry. Just a warning.

RJ could be the Tim Duncan of SGs. They are similar athletes. Duncan always failed the eye test. He was a stiff. He was an ungraceful athlete. But an incredibly effective one. The speed was there, the quickness was there, the stroke was there.... it just didnt LOOK there, and RJ is like that. He does really good things but looks so clunky doing it you are like wait.. that was good right?

The Minn game really stood out to me because time and time again he stuck with Edwards stride for stride and was right on his hip on defense. Edwards who is a wild athlete and football player simply couldnt shake RJ. Barrett was on him the whole time. On offense RJ had a lot of "good misses" but still finished with 21 on 10-20 (0-1 FT ) but the point is when matched up against a young high flier like Edwards I expected RJ's athleticism to potentially be exposed and it was the opposite. RJ is also built like a truck. He's a big kid and as he gets a bit stronger those drives are going to more that much more effective. You cant run him over on offense and he plays in the paint like he belongs.

I am feeling more and more like we have a real young nucleus with RJ/IQ/Mitch, Randle's a legit 26 year old all star. I actually hope we keep Noel, who's also 26 and would be a great backup/insurance/depth/rotation guy for a long time. If we could somehow add 2-3 more of that caliber we would REALLY be cooking Im still an Obi believer but we'll talk about him when he's popping. Right now its RJ and its great.

HofstraBBall @ 3/15/2021 4:28 PM
martin wrote:

Nah. Most will focus on how he is not taking us to the finals as a 20 year old. Hopefully we have a FO in place that thinks about more than a couple of weeks out. Think so far, they have shown the desire to develop the youngins with patience.

Nalod @ 3/15/2021 6:53 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:

Nah. Most will focus on how he is not taking us to the finals as a 20 year old. Hopefully we have a FO in place that thinks about more than a couple of weeks out. Think so far, they have shown the desire to develop the youngins with patience.

Yes and no. Make Thibs happy and you play. Mess up and the vet comes in. I’m actually ok with it. WE are thinning the herd at the same time. Trier was made gone. Dennis in exile and Frank’s clock is ticking very loud. Well see in two weeks if he gets moved and into Free agency if we keep him. There will be others.

RJ ascent is with precision. Just incrementally keeps getting better month by month. Thus far injury free as well. Just a pleasure to have this kid!

jrodmc @ 3/16/2021 2:51 PM
Nalod wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:

Nah. Most will focus on how he is not taking us to the finals as a 20 year old. Hopefully we have a FO in place that thinks about more than a couple of weeks out. Think so far, they have shown the desire to develop the youngins with patience.

Yes and no. Make Thibs happy and you play. Mess up and the vet comes in. I’m actually ok with it. WE are thinning the herd at the same time. Trier was made gone. Dennis in exile and Frank’s clock is ticking very loud. Well see in two weeks if he gets moved and into Free agency if we keep him. There will be others.

RJ ascent is with precision. Just incrementally keeps getting better month by month. Thus far injury free as well. Just a pleasure to have this kid!

I wonder if this is going to be one of the greatest parts of his skill set. Very refreshing.

VDesai @ 3/17/2021 10:10 AM
Im impressed by Barrett. He is very strong for his size and he can get in the lane and finish inside/draw fouls. Something about his size/smooth style reminds me of McGrady. He is only 20 so I keep telling myself he is gonna start knocking down jumpshots. If that ever happens the Knicks become a contender.
jrodmc @ 3/18/2021 9:58 AM
VDesai wrote:Im impressed by Barrett. He is very strong for his size and he can get in the lane and finish inside/draw fouls. Something about his size/smooth style reminds me of McGrady. He is only 20 so I keep telling myself he is gonna start knocking down jumpshots. If that ever happens the Knicks become a contender.

He's hitting something like 57% from 3 over the last 12-13 games. Small sample size, but I think that should qualify as a start.
There's a lot of green on his shot chart from the left side corner three.

MaTT4281 @ 3/18/2021 11:55 AM

I remember this moment vs Miami and wondering what they were talking about. RJs been getting to the line pretty consistently lately...

TPercy @ 3/18/2021 12:13 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:

I remember this moment vs Miami and wondering what they were talking about. RJs been getting to the line pretty consistently lately...

I was just coming to this thread to post this. RJ is a willing learner it’s quite telling given that I don’t think Butler gives that advice to anyone.

Welpee @ 3/18/2021 4:25 PM
TPercy wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:

I remember this moment vs Miami and wondering what they were talking about. RJs been getting to the line pretty consistently lately...

I was just coming to this thread to post this. RJ is a willing learner it’s quite telling given that I don’t think Butler gives that advice to anyone.

I don't trust Butler. He may be giving RJ bad advice to give himself an edge. lol!
TPercy @ 3/18/2021 9:32 PM
These timeouts are getting annoying
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