Knicks · Why we were EXPOSED (page 3)

ramtour420 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:Thibs did not adjust Randle’s game and Thibs should have given Frank at least one extended game to see how effective he could be against young. Putting Frank in on the last play cold against Young was not a true test of his effectiveness, and once he decided Payton was garbage and it became clear Rose and Quickley could do nothing against Trae, he should have given Frank an extended 10 minute look on him. He also should have gotten Rose, Bullock, and Randle into some pick and rolls. I know Atlanta’s zone created problems, but Thibbs did not put nearly enough pressure on Trae to force him to defend. They basically hid Trae on Bullock, who put no pressure on Trae to defend.

Benching the team’s best perimeter player facing Trae and Gallo setting moving picks the entire series. Yeah, not good

Fun fact, I looked up the stats and Frank turned out to be our BEST 3 point shooter on the team at .478% That's almost .49% for the season. How? Why? Are we trying to keep his value down to be able to sign him to a super team friendly long term contract? That would be the only thing that makes sense

Frank had a better year shooting the ball. 47% from 3 probably an anomaly but it’s certainly reasonable to think he worked on his shot and could be in the 38-41% range from 3 moving forward

But yeah he fired CAA a couple years ago so back to the gulag

Welpee wrote:

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MS wrote:Honestly, Randle just sucked. It had nothing to do with having no help.

Burks carried us in game 1, Rose in game 3.

Randle had his head down and was dribbling into traffic every single play. He didn't want to shoot the ball, everything was a pump fake into a jump pass. He looked exactly like the player everyone wanted off the team in the playoffs. He didn't play big. He killed the offense at every turn. You can't build any momentum when your best player is launching off balanced three pointers and making momentum killing turnovers.

Randle looked a lot like 2019-2020 Randle the guy who shot below 30% from three and was dribbling off his foot driving to the basket. It’s troubling because I wonder if that’s the real guy

So the guy works his butt off during the offseason, elevates his game to all-NBA performance and MVP consideration for 72 games, and has five bad playoff games and that may be an indication of who he "really is?"

So if Payton came out of nowhere and had 5 great playoff games, would you discount what he did during the regular season and wonder if the 5 games is "who he really is?"

Why is it so outrageous to wonder if this regular season for Randle was an aberration?

Because it's based off of 5 games. Look, I will be the first to say I would like to see what Randle does next season before making a decision on a long term deal for him. I get that. Why commit now if you don't have to. I would like to wait and see how the front office continues to develop the roster and how Randle fits in.

But to discredit the work this guy put in during the off season and essentially speculate if it's a fluke, especially a player on the team you supposedly root for? One thing the Knick "fans" consistently do is disparage their own players while constantly gassing up players on other teams and it gets frustrating.

So yes, I think it's a massive overreaction to a bad 5 game playoff series. Of course, anything is possible. You could be absolutely right or this could be the beginning of a string of all-NBA caliber seasons.

It’s based off 5 very important games

My concern is Randle ends up being another Vin Baker. A regular season stat stuffer who does nothing in the playoffs

I prefer to give the guy the benefit of the doubt until it becomes a legit trend. Especially after seeing how he rebounded from his first season here. I mean, he is a Knick and I assume most of us are fans of the team. We should try to be objective but my default position on our players isn't to jump immediately to the negative/worse case scenario possibility.

I think that’s why it’s urgent we upgrade at PG this offseason. If Randle lays another egg next year’s playoffs we know it’s not because his pgs suck it’s because he is a Vin Baker or early career Kemp

Philc1 wrote:

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Philc1 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

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Philc1 wrote:

MS wrote:Honestly, Randle just sucked. It had nothing to do with having no help.

Burks carried us in game 1, Rose in game 3.

Randle had his head down and was dribbling into traffic every single play. He didn't want to shoot the ball, everything was a pump fake into a jump pass. He looked exactly like the player everyone wanted off the team in the playoffs. He didn't play big. He killed the offense at every turn. You can't build any momentum when your best player is launching off balanced three pointers and making momentum killing turnovers.

Randle looked a lot like 2019-2020 Randle the guy who shot below 30% from three and was dribbling off his foot driving to the basket. It’s troubling because I wonder if that’s the real guy

So the guy works his butt off during the offseason, elevates his game to all-NBA performance and MVP consideration for 72 games, and has five bad playoff games and that may be an indication of who he "really is?"

So if Payton came out of nowhere and had 5 great playoff games, would you discount what he did during the regular season and wonder if the 5 games is "who he really is?"

Why is it so outrageous to wonder if this regular season for Randle was an aberration?

Because it's based off of 5 games. Look, I will be the first to say I would like to see what Randle does next season before making a decision on a long term deal for him. I get that. Why commit now if you don't have to. I would like to wait and see how the front office continues to develop the roster and how Randle fits in.

But to discredit the work this guy put in during the off season and essentially speculate if it's a fluke, especially a player on the team you supposedly root for? One thing the Knick "fans" consistently do is disparage their own players while constantly gassing up players on other teams and it gets frustrating.

So yes, I think it's a massive overreaction to a bad 5 game playoff series. Of course, anything is possible. You could be absolutely right or this could be the beginning of a string of all-NBA caliber seasons.

It’s based off 5 very important games

My concern is Randle ends up being another Vin Baker. A regular season stat stuffer who does nothing in the playoffs

I prefer to give the guy the benefit of the doubt until it becomes a legit trend. Especially after seeing how he rebounded from his first season here. I mean, he is a Knick and I assume most of us are fans of the team. We should try to be objective but my default position on our players isn't to jump immediately to the negative/worse case scenario possibility.

I think that’s why it’s urgent we upgrade at PG this offseason. If Randle lays another egg next year’s playoffs we know it’s not because his pgs suck it’s because he is a Vin Baker or early career Kemp