Knicks · Offseason trades and possible free agent signing (page 3)

fwk00 wrote:https://knicksmecca.blogspot.com/2021/06...

Good realistic take. Naturally nobody knows what next year brings given the moves that can be done. We tent to over think the potential of starphck moves or that we can make some meaningful trades.
Even if we improve, other team will not stand pat.
Boston still has a core.
Miami could bounce back.
Charlotte has room to improve internally and make some trades.
Cleveland rocks, Cleveland rocks……Can’t suck forever
Indy had issues this year.
ATL…….

I can easy see us get better but fall in seedlings.

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:https://knicksmecca.blogspot.com/2021/06...

Good realistic take. Naturally nobody knows what next year brings given the moves that can be done. We tent to over think the potential of starphck moves or that we can make some meaningful trades.
Even if we improve, other team will not stand pat.
Boston still has a core.
Miami could bounce back.
Charlotte has room to improve internally and make some trades.
Cleveland rocks, Cleveland rocks……Can’t suck forever
Indy had issues this year.
ATL…….

I can easy see us get better but fall in seedlings.

I think Capella and Collins stuck a pin in Thibs's balloon so to speak. The Knicks aren't surprising anyone next year. The word is out.

Yes. Other teams that experienced hick-ups will regroup.

But A LOT of things went right for the Knicks this year that won't be an easy train to catch next year.

And, realistic or not, the Knicks will acquire someone like Simmons or Ball or whoever whose ego and baggage will co-opt center stage and consume all the oxygen in the room.

The Knicks look very much like a Humpty-Dumpty roster already wobbling at the edge of a fall.

fwk00 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:https://knicksmecca.blogspot.com/2021/06...

Good realistic take. Naturally nobody knows what next year brings given the moves that can be done. We tent to over think the potential of starphck moves or that we can make some meaningful trades.
Even if we improve, other team will not stand pat.
Boston still has a core.
Miami could bounce back.
Charlotte has room to improve internally and make some trades.
Cleveland rocks, Cleveland rocks……Can’t suck forever
Indy had issues this year.
ATL…….

I can easy see us get better but fall in seedlings.

I think Capella and Collins stuck a pin in Thibs's balloon so to speak. The Knicks aren't surprising anyone next year. The word is out.

Yes. Other teams that experienced hick-ups will regroup.

But A LOT of things went right for the Knicks this year that won't be an easy train to catch next year.

And, realistic or not, the Knicks will acquire someone like Simmons or Ball or whoever whose ego and baggage will co-opt center stage and consume all the oxygen in the room.

The Knicks look very much like a Humpty-Dumpty roster already wobbling at the edge of a fall.

There is a fine line between realistic and pessimistic when talking bout our Knicks. Been so long since we were relevant, it’s easy to hide back in the shadows and make excuses why our successes are a flash in the pan. Regression to the mean and whatnot.

I’ve got severe optimism. The kind that thinks of all the possibilities for this roster over the offseason and then thinks ... but the Knicks will do even better than this! I have so much esteem for the knee front office. They made moves that made sense. They cleared roster space when they needed. They wheeled and dealed. Played 3 card monte. Spent bazillions on coaching and infrastructure. And made their players better.

My gut is that Randle will actually be traded this offseason. Can’t tell you where or how for certain. Feels like they fattened him up for the kill (proverbially speaking). Padded his stats a bit with a heliocentric offensive model. If I had to guess, it’s to GS for Wiggins and the Minnesota pick if it passes to GS. Including Mitch Robinson, Wiseman and picks could make sense for both sides. GS gets TPEs and vet players. Knicks get a core squad going forward.

I think Barrett is the more likely center of the team moving forward. Loved Randle at his best. Love his hard work. I was certain he was a dead man walking into the season. But I think the FO will want to make time for Obi to prove themselves right.

Point is, there are infinite possibilities that don’t require re-signing the same team this offseason. The Knicks made the most of what could have been a tank season. I think they focus on a younger core unless blockbusters avail themselves.

Not pessimistic but thoughtful toward the future and not just taking the sample approach that we finished 4th and all thats good will get even better because. Other teams don;t stay stagnant and this year is just weird.

I don’t do “gut” but no doubt the right deal comes along knicks should bounce on it. GS if Klay is coming back is not rebuilding with youth with a 33 year old Steph. The have a plan and its logical they use assets to get it done in the next two years.
Randle on that team is interesting. Lots of things to fit but I see it. Not saying its my preference. Short off season. Should be fun!

EwingsGlass wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:https://knicksmecca.blogspot.com/2021/06...

Good realistic take. Naturally nobody knows what next year brings given the moves that can be done. We tent to over think the potential of starphck moves or that we can make some meaningful trades.
Even if we improve, other team will not stand pat.
Boston still has a core.
Miami could bounce back.
Charlotte has room to improve internally and make some trades.
Cleveland rocks, Cleveland rocks……Can’t suck forever
Indy had issues this year.
ATL…….

I can easy see us get better but fall in seedlings.

I think Capella and Collins stuck a pin in Thibs's balloon so to speak. The Knicks aren't surprising anyone next year. The word is out.

Yes. Other teams that experienced hick-ups will regroup.

But A LOT of things went right for the Knicks this year that won't be an easy train to catch next year.

And, realistic or not, the Knicks will acquire someone like Simmons or Ball or whoever whose ego and baggage will co-opt center stage and consume all the oxygen in the room.

The Knicks look very much like a Humpty-Dumpty roster already wobbling at the edge of a fall.

There is a fine line between realistic and pessimistic when talking bout our Knicks. Been so long since we were relevant, it’s easy to hide back in the shadows and make excuses why our successes are a flash in the pan. Regression to the mean and whatnot.

I’ve got severe optimism. The kind that thinks of all the possibilities for this roster over the offseason and then thinks ... but the Knicks will do even better than this! I have so much esteem for the knee front office. They made moves that made sense. They cleared roster space when they needed. They wheeled and dealed. Played 3 card monte. Spent bazillions on coaching and infrastructure. And made their players better.

My gut is that Randle will actually be traded this offseason. Can’t tell you where or how for certain. Feels like they fattened him up for the kill (proverbially speaking). Padded his stats a bit with a heliocentric offensive model. If I had to guess, it’s to GS for Wiggins and the Minnesota pick if it passes to GS. Including Mitch Robinson, Wiseman and picks could make sense for both sides. GS gets TPEs and vet players. Knicks get a core squad going forward.

I think Barrett is the more likely center of the team moving forward. Loved Randle at his best. Love his hard work. I was certain he was a dead man walking into the season. But I think the FO will want to make time for Obi to prove themselves right.

Point is, there are infinite possibilities that don’t require re-signing the same team this offseason. The Knicks made the most of what could have been a tank season. I think they focus on a younger core unless blockbusters avail themselves.

Wow. Interesting take on Randle. I can't help but think this season is a one-off with major shifts to come.

fwk00 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:https://knicksmecca.blogspot.com/2021/06...

Good realistic take. Naturally nobody knows what next year brings given the moves that can be done. We tent to over think the potential of starphck moves or that we can make some meaningful trades.
Even if we improve, other team will not stand pat.
Boston still has a core.
Miami could bounce back.
Charlotte has room to improve internally and make some trades.
Cleveland rocks, Cleveland rocks……Can’t suck forever
Indy had issues this year.
ATL…….

I can easy see us get better but fall in seedlings.

I think Capella and Collins stuck a pin in Thibs's balloon so to speak. The Knicks aren't surprising anyone next year. The word is out.

Yes. Other teams that experienced hick-ups will regroup.

But A LOT of things went right for the Knicks this year that won't be an easy train to catch next year.

And, realistic or not, the Knicks will acquire someone like Simmons or Ball or whoever whose ego and baggage will co-opt center stage and consume all the oxygen in the room.

The Knicks look very much like a Humpty-Dumpty roster already wobbling at the edge of a fall.

If we don’t significantly upgrade at PG next season I agree. I think we miss the playoffs if we come back with Elf and Rose on one year deals

Philc1 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:https://knicksmecca.blogspot.com/2021/06...

Good realistic take. Naturally nobody knows what next year brings given the moves that can be done. We tent to over think the potential of starphck moves or that we can make some meaningful trades.
Even if we improve, other team will not stand pat.
Boston still has a core.
Miami could bounce back.
Charlotte has room to improve internally and make some trades.
Cleveland rocks, Cleveland rocks……Can’t suck forever
Indy had issues this year.
ATL…….

I can easy see us get better but fall in seedlings.

I think Capella and Collins stuck a pin in Thibs's balloon so to speak. The Knicks aren't surprising anyone next year. The word is out.

Yes. Other teams that experienced hick-ups will regroup.

But A LOT of things went right for the Knicks this year that won't be an easy train to catch next year.

And, realistic or not, the Knicks will acquire someone like Simmons or Ball or whoever whose ego and baggage will co-opt center stage and consume all the oxygen in the room.

The Knicks look very much like a Humpty-Dumpty roster already wobbling at the edge of a fall.

If we don’t significantly upgrade at PG next season I agree. I think we miss the playoffs if we come back with Elf and Rose on one year deals

Elf being Randle's running mate is what worries me. Could easily happen. Rose ain't getting younger.

fwk00 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:https://knicksmecca.blogspot.com/2021/06...

Good realistic take. Naturally nobody knows what next year brings given the moves that can be done. We tent to over think the potential of starphck moves or that we can make some meaningful trades.
Even if we improve, other team will not stand pat.
Boston still has a core.
Miami could bounce back.
Charlotte has room to improve internally and make some trades.
Cleveland rocks, Cleveland rocks……Can’t suck forever
Indy had issues this year.
ATL…….

I can easy see us get better but fall in seedlings.

I think Capella and Collins stuck a pin in Thibs's balloon so to speak. The Knicks aren't surprising anyone next year. The word is out.

Yes. Other teams that experienced hick-ups will regroup.

But A LOT of things went right for the Knicks this year that won't be an easy train to catch next year.

And, realistic or not, the Knicks will acquire someone like Simmons or Ball or whoever whose ego and baggage will co-opt center stage and consume all the oxygen in the room.

The Knicks look very much like a Humpty-Dumpty roster already wobbling at the edge of a fall.

If we don’t significantly upgrade at PG next season I agree. I think we miss the playoffs if we come back with Elf and Rose on one year deals

Elf being Randle's running mate is what worries me. Could easily happen. Rose ain't getting younger.

After Thibs completely benched Elf and the whole world saw the PG collapse as the year went on, does anyone really think the Knicks FO will just be like "Well he is a friend of Randle's soooo....."?

EwingsGlass wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:https://knicksmecca.blogspot.com/2021/06...

Good realistic take. Naturally nobody knows what next year brings given the moves that can be done. We tent to over think the potential of starphck moves or that we can make some meaningful trades.
Even if we improve, other team will not stand pat.
Boston still has a core.
Miami could bounce back.
Charlotte has room to improve internally and make some trades.
Cleveland rocks, Cleveland rocks……Can’t suck forever
Indy had issues this year.
ATL…….

I can easy see us get better but fall in seedlings.

I think Capella and Collins stuck a pin in Thibs's balloon so to speak. The Knicks aren't surprising anyone next year. The word is out.

Yes. Other teams that experienced hick-ups will regroup.

But A LOT of things went right for the Knicks this year that won't be an easy train to catch next year.

And, realistic or not, the Knicks will acquire someone like Simmons or Ball or whoever whose ego and baggage will co-opt center stage and consume all the oxygen in the room.

The Knicks look very much like a Humpty-Dumpty roster already wobbling at the edge of a fall.

There is a fine line between realistic and pessimistic when talking bout our Knicks. Been so long since we were relevant, it’s easy to hide back in the shadows and make excuses why our successes are a flash in the pan. Regression to the mean and whatnot.

I’ve got severe optimism. The kind that thinks of all the possibilities for this roster over the offseason and then thinks ... but the Knicks will do even better than this! I have so much esteem for the knee front office. They made moves that made sense. They cleared roster space when they needed. They wheeled and dealed. Played 3 card monte. Spent bazillions on coaching and infrastructure. And made their players better.

My gut is that Randle will actually be traded this offseason. Can’t tell you where or how for certain. Feels like they fattened him up for the kill (proverbially speaking). Padded his stats a bit with a heliocentric offensive model. If I had to guess, it’s to GS for Wiggins and the Minnesota pick if it passes to GS. Including Mitch Robinson, Wiseman and picks could make sense for both sides. GS gets TPEs and vet players. Knicks get a core squad going forward.

I think Barrett is the more likely center of the team moving forward. Loved Randle at his best. Love his hard work. I was certain he was a dead man walking into the season. But I think the FO will want to make time for Obi to prove themselves right.

Point is, there are infinite possibilities that don’t require re-signing the same team this offseason. The Knicks made the most of what could have been a tank season. I think they focus on a younger core unless blockbusters avail themselves.

Minnesota's pick would have to be no higher than #4 which would likely not yield the two big pg prospects (unless Green moves up to the top three). So you're proposing Randle and Mitch to GSW for #4, Wiggins and Wiseman? Who you think we would get at #4 (obviously Suggs if he's on the board)? Yeah, we would get younger but do you really think Wiggins and Wiseman are foundational pieces for big time success?

All very interesting though. What if the Minnesota picks falls to #6?

Welpee wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:https://knicksmecca.blogspot.com/2021/06...

Good realistic take. Naturally nobody knows what next year brings given the moves that can be done. We tent to over think the potential of starphck moves or that we can make some meaningful trades.
Even if we improve, other team will not stand pat.
Boston still has a core.
Miami could bounce back.
Charlotte has room to improve internally and make some trades.
Cleveland rocks, Cleveland rocks……Can’t suck forever
Indy had issues this year.
ATL…….

I can easy see us get better but fall in seedlings.

I think Capella and Collins stuck a pin in Thibs's balloon so to speak. The Knicks aren't surprising anyone next year. The word is out.

Yes. Other teams that experienced hick-ups will regroup.

But A LOT of things went right for the Knicks this year that won't be an easy train to catch next year.

And, realistic or not, the Knicks will acquire someone like Simmons or Ball or whoever whose ego and baggage will co-opt center stage and consume all the oxygen in the room.

The Knicks look very much like a Humpty-Dumpty roster already wobbling at the edge of a fall.

There is a fine line between realistic and pessimistic when talking bout our Knicks. Been so long since we were relevant, it’s easy to hide back in the shadows and make excuses why our successes are a flash in the pan. Regression to the mean and whatnot.

I’ve got severe optimism. The kind that thinks of all the possibilities for this roster over the offseason and then thinks ... but the Knicks will do even better than this! I have so much esteem for the knee front office. They made moves that made sense. They cleared roster space when they needed. They wheeled and dealed. Played 3 card monte. Spent bazillions on coaching and infrastructure. And made their players better.

My gut is that Randle will actually be traded this offseason. Can’t tell you where or how for certain. Feels like they fattened him up for the kill (proverbially speaking). Padded his stats a bit with a heliocentric offensive model. If I had to guess, it’s to GS for Wiggins and the Minnesota pick if it passes to GS. Including Mitch Robinson, Wiseman and picks could make sense for both sides. GS gets TPEs and vet players. Knicks get a core squad going forward.

I think Barrett is the more likely center of the team moving forward. Loved Randle at his best. Love his hard work. I was certain he was a dead man walking into the season. But I think the FO will want to make time for Obi to prove themselves right.

Point is, there are infinite possibilities that don’t require re-signing the same team this offseason. The Knicks made the most of what could have been a tank season. I think they focus on a younger core unless blockbusters avail themselves.

Minnesota's pick would have to be no higher than #4 which would likely not yield the two big pg prospects (unless Green moves up to the top three). So you're proposing Randle and Mitch to GSW for #4, Wiggins and Wiseman? Who you think we would get at #4 (obviously Suggs if he's on the board)? Yeah, we would get younger but do you really think Wiggins and Wiseman are foundational pieces for big time success?

All very interesting though. What if the Minnesota picks falls to #6?

If knicks hell bent on this then Aller does what Aller does…………trades something with the 6 to move up a spot or two if other team has the fortitude to draft at the 6 based on what they see. That becomes a draft day thing live. At some point to 3 or 4 picks get solidified. For example if we thought OBI was a 4-5-6 pick and he falls we did not need to move up to get our guy. Maybe Suggs falls to 6th? Maybe we make a deal for someone to take him at 4th, then we do what needs to be done.

The Knicks aren't trading Randle just to validate the Obi pick and they sure as fuc$ weren't "fattening" Randle up this past season with the sole intent to trade him this offseason. Randle fell flat in the series but that doesn't mean he cannot be part of the solution here going forward. ATL took him away because the Knicks offered ATL nothing else to worry about. RJ is the plan? RJ sucked in the playoffs too. Yea he's 20. He still sucked as much or more than Randle. You want to split hairs and say Randle isn't great or elite or top this or top that, fine, but Randle is still one of the best point forwards in the NBA, unless you put more stock in 3-4 games last month than what 60 games all year showed us.

Randle might get traded. But the Knicks didn't run this offense through Randle just to build up his value. They ran the offense through Randle because he's by far the best player on this team. And Obi isn't dictating shit here. And yes, Randle and Obi can in fact co-exist. Lest we forget Allan Houston and Spree. Jordan and Pippen. Frazier and Monroe.

martin wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fwk00 wrote:https://knicksmecca.blogspot.com/2021/06...

Good realistic take. Naturally nobody knows what next year brings given the moves that can be done. We tent to over think the potential of starphck moves or that we can make some meaningful trades.
Even if we improve, other team will not stand pat.
Boston still has a core.
Miami could bounce back.
Charlotte has room to improve internally and make some trades.
Cleveland rocks, Cleveland rocks……Can’t suck forever
Indy had issues this year.
ATL…….

I can easy see us get better but fall in seedlings.

I think Capella and Collins stuck a pin in Thibs's balloon so to speak. The Knicks aren't surprising anyone next year. The word is out.

Yes. Other teams that experienced hick-ups will regroup.

But A LOT of things went right for the Knicks this year that won't be an easy train to catch next year.

And, realistic or not, the Knicks will acquire someone like Simmons or Ball or whoever whose ego and baggage will co-opt center stage and consume all the oxygen in the room.

The Knicks look very much like a Humpty-Dumpty roster already wobbling at the edge of a fall.

If we don’t significantly upgrade at PG next season I agree. I think we miss the playoffs if we come back with Elf and Rose on one year deals

Elf being Randle's running mate is what worries me. Could easily happen. Rose ain't getting younger.

After Thibs completely benched Elf and the whole world saw the PG collapse as the year went on, does anyone really think the Knicks FO will just be like "Well he is a friend of Randle's soooo....."?

Unfortunately I think we end up with a platoon of Rose on a 1 year deal and a pg we draft with one of the two picks

So Knick-like

I have super mixed feelings about Randle ATM. Biggest concern is when he tries to be The Man he is at his worst, dribbling into double teams, dumb mistakes etc. And yet to some big extent he needs to be The Man if he's going to get paid that way. I admit i might be overreacting to his playoff performance. But it wasn't just the poor numbers. His confidence wilted. In contrast i felt RJ had more warrior in him

doomed wrote:The Knicks aren't trading Randle just to validate the Obi pick and they sure as fuc$ weren't "fattening" Randle up this past season with the sole intent to trade him this offseason. Randle fell flat in the series but that doesn't mean he cannot be part of the solution here going forward. ATL took him away because the Knicks offered ATL nothing else to worry about. RJ is the plan? RJ sucked in the playoffs too. Yea he's 20. He still sucked as much or more than Randle. You want to split hairs and say Randle isn't great or elite or top this or top that, fine, but Randle is still one of the best point forwards in the NBA, unless you put more stock in 3-4 games last month than what 60 games all year showed us.

Randle might get traded. But the Knicks didn't run this offense through Randle just to build up his value. They ran the offense through Randle because he's by far the best player on this team. And Obi isn't dictating shit here. And yes, Randle and Obi can in fact co-exist. Lest we forget Allan Houston and Spree. Jordan and Pippen. Frazier and Monroe.

Facts. But I can see the merits of both sides, trading or keeping Randle. But if we trade him, we absolutely can't make a mistake. We would have to get it right or we're back to the drawing board.

EwingsGlass wrote:
My gut is that Randle will actually be traded this offseason. Can’t tell you where or how for certain. Feels like they fattened him up for the kill (proverbially speaking). Padded his stats a bit with a heliocentric offensive model. If I had to guess, it’s to GS for Wiggins and the Minnesota pick if it passes to GS. Including Mitch Robinson, Wiseman and picks could make sense for both sides. GS gets TPEs and vet players. Knicks get a core squad going forward.

Would be a stupid move for GS. Why give up a promising young talent in a generational draft for a player they do not really need right now, even a star one like Randle? Conversely, is Wiggins not just an overpaid stat padder? With a poor relationship with Thibs to boot. Hard to see such a trade benefitting either team, so not a smart move for the Knicks either they feel really strongly what Randle's season was a total fluke.

Been saying this one for a while - the Warriors are "all in" as they plan to ride Steph, Klay and Draymond out until they rebuild in a few years. While I agree they should hold onto Wiseman the talk here (live in Bay Area) is that as good as Wiseman will become - they want a playoff veteran to better complement their core as they have a limited time window. The W's views of Wiggins (and Oubre) have fluctuated all season long as both have played very well at times - and also struggled mightily at times. I really believe the W's want to find a veteran vs taking another high draft choice.

Randle would actually fit very well there as he can play 4 (or smallball 5) and the W's had considered Mitch back when they were deciding on drafting Wiseman. While I like Mitch - Wiseman is one of the few big men that I would trade him for since he can shoot, post and play defense pretty well. A #4 pick gives us another talented player to add to RJ and keeps with the timeline. Toppin can possibly show if he can be our future 4 and Ball could still be in play. At the very least doing this deal would ensure we wouldn't have Randle dribbling up and running ISO from 20 feet. We would likely take a step back but probably 2 steps forward in a year or two. Wiggins/salary would hurt but he adding a top talent and Wiseman would be worth it IMO.

jskinny35 wrote:Been saying this one for a while - the Warriors are "all in" as they plan to ride Steph, Klay and Draymond out until they rebuild in a few years. While I agree they should hold onto Wiseman the talk here (live in Bay Area) is that as good as Wiseman will become - they want a playoff veteran to better complement their core as they have a limited time window. The W's views of Wiggins (and Oubre) have fluctuated all season long as both have played very well at times - and also struggled mightily at times. I really believe the W's want to find a veteran vs taking another high draft choice.

First of all, the Warriors won championships with a Dray-Klay-Steph core, so they do not really need to make an "all in" move to be a contender next season. Second, Randle is a great player, second all-NBA, but not an "all in" move. KD is an all-in move. Harden is an all-in move. Kawhi is an all-in move. Randle is a very marginal improvement for them. Not worth a lottery pick for the Warriors. They are much better off counting on continued improvement by Wiseman, plus contributions from two lottery rookies, who would not only supplement a strong contender core, but also start a gradual transition towards a longer-term future beyond Dray-Klay-Steph. Without having to go through a sucky rebuild period.

Talking about trading randle is just because there's nothing else going on.

There's no logical reason to trade Randle unless it involves Doncic or Zion, and then your still left with one star, so it would be a complete lateral moves.

The draft is not as good as some think it is, lets just be happy that we are not in the lottery and are in the 2nd phase of building a contender

knicks1248 wrote:Talking about trading randle is just because there's nothing else going on.

There's no logical reason to trade Randle unless it involves Doncic or Zion, and then your still left with one star, so it would be a complete lateral moves.

The draft is not as good as some think it is, lets just be happy that we are not in the lottery and are in the 2nd phase of building a contender

Realistically, where would you rank Randle in the league? Top 10? Top 20? Top 30? I agree that you need to really think hard about trading Randle, but they're slot of packages I'd consider if they were on the table and they're not necessarily lateral moves. Randle made All NBA this year, but there are number of players who didn't make the team that I'd rather have. The draft is the draft. All the players still in the playoffs this year were drafted, including Gallinari who we picked many moons ago.

Personally, I remain good avoiding big splash moves for the time being. If a Spencer Dinwiddie might get close to 20 mil for multiple years, I’d prefer we spread that around short term (like we have) and maintain flexibility. Move up in the draft perhaps, beat the bushes for low risk/high reward types. Unless it’s Kahwi or a Lillard is genuinely gettable without stripping us of everything (which wouldn’t happen). Hopefully progress another step and then be ready to make the move.

I do have faith in the front office. They’ve shown themselves to be pretty savvy.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:Been saying this one for a while - the Warriors are "all in" as they plan to ride Steph, Klay and Draymond out until they rebuild in a few years. While I agree they should hold onto Wiseman the talk here (live in Bay Area) is that as good as Wiseman will become - they want a playoff veteran to better complement their core as they have a limited time window. The W's views of Wiggins (and Oubre) have fluctuated all season long as both have played very well at times - and also struggled mightily at times. I really believe the W's want to find a veteran vs taking another high draft choice.

First of all, the Warriors won championships with a Dray-Klay-Steph core, so they do not really need to make an "all in" move to be a contender next season. Second, Randle is a great player, second all-NBA, but not an "all in" move. KD is an all-in move. Harden is an all-in move. Kawhi is an all-in move. Randle is a very marginal improvement for them. Not worth a lottery pick for the Warriors. They are much better off counting on continued improvement by Wiseman, plus contributions from two lottery rookies, who would not only supplement a strong contender core, but also start a gradual transition towards a longer-term future beyond Dray-Klay-Steph. Without having to go through a sucky rebuild period.

Well I live here in the Bay Area and the talk is all about adding a veteran presence as after the injuries and aging - they recognize the rest of the league has caught up to them. So while I agree that they should keep Wiseman and young players - that's not what it talked about here. All those players you mentioned are great/better but are not available to the Warriors. The only other player talked about a lot out here is Beal as they always want to add more shooting. Randle would offer them a lot as they don't have any inside play or interior scoring on the post. Randle would probably be able to match his improved outside shooting since he wouldn't have to carry the load every night. With the W's it's mostly outside shooting or lobs to rim runners. Again, I agree they should keep any young players - but the majority of talk radio, news articles, etc has the Warriors looking to make a trade as opposed to adding more young talent.