Knicks · A Simple Plan (page 1)

The playing personality of this squad made us proud. They battled every night. You always got the feeing that THIS team would never be an easy out. Why mess with the ‘heart and soul’ of this team?

Certainly, there are some positions that scream for an upgrade. Be careful wishing for players pushing past 30 years old. Reputations are about the past. Going young and smart is about building sustainable model. Haven’t we had enough attempts at a quick fix?

Do NOT sign ANY free agent older than 27
We’ve been down that road too many times before.

THIS TIME, BE SMART

The best trade in the history of the NYK franchise was a stroke of Eddie Donovan genius. It involved acquiring just ONE versatile player who changed the equation. Walt Bellamy and Howie Komives for Dave DeBusschere. We held on to our core that included Frazier and Reed.

“The DeBusschere deal stands as proof that sometimes it’s worth it to make a major trade, while also representing evidence that trades are better when they leave you with some decent players and don’t completely deplete your entire roster in the name of getting one big star.”

The DeBusschere deal is a lesson to remember.
He was 28 years old.

My beloved New York Knicks simply need to bundle, or uncover one diamond in the rough, with their two first round draft selections.

The front office finally has some stability and continuity. (Thanks Clyde) Hopefully, Thibs has a voice in choosing the groceries.

Please name just one available player that would be the equivalent of Dave DeBusschere as a defensive enforcer / rebounder/ offensive weapon who can shoot with positive results from 20 feet?

Go...

misterearl wrote:

Do NOT sign ANY free agent older than 27
We’ve been down that road too many times before.

I want to be fair to you, the thought process is something everyone can understand, but you've made it both too simple and too complicated at the same time.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

I could see the market collapse on someone like Daniel Theis. Who on a short value contract could be pretty useful for Thibs. Kent Bazemore, Jeff Green, Reggie Jackson, Patty Mills, some others. I'm not saying the Knicks should go gung ho after those guys. However if the market shifts and those guys can come on short prove it deals and might be flipped in a trade at the deadline and still be useful until then, why seal off that possibility?

Good functional rosters in any professional sport have balance. You need young fresh legs. But you also need some steady veteran hands. And you need culture issues like levity and work ethic and leadership.

One thing I miss most about Jeremy Lin is he was a leader. He just wasn't the team's franchise player. You need a guy willing to get in people's faces and keep them honest and push for the team's goals firsts. Like a Haslem in Miami or a Nick Collision in OKC. That's typically not a young player.

At a certain price point/commitment level, almost every NBA player asserts some kind of roster value. I wouldn't pay Batum what he was making all those years he was grossly overpaid, but at a minimum one year contract? That's entirely different.

misterearl wrote:Please name just one available player that would be the equivalent of Dave DeBusschere as a defensive enforcer / rebounder/ offensive weapon who can shoot with positive results from 20 feet?

We had this guy already a few years ago, but he turned out to be broke, in more ways than one... And he didn't really rebound or was the equivalent of DD's basketball IQ. Can you imagine KP trying to coach AND play?

Any listing of the top defensive players doesn't yield a hell of alot of candidates. Mikal Bridges? He's cheap, defensive minded, can shoot some, but not that great a rebounder. And probably not available.

misterearl wrote:The playing personality of this squad made us proud. They battled every night. You always got the feeing that THIS team would never be an easy out. Why mess with the ‘heart and soul’ of this team?

Certainly, there are some positions that scream for an upgrade. Be careful wishing for players pushing past 30 years old. Reputations are about the past. Going young and smart is about building sustainable model. Haven’t we had enough attempts at a quick fix?

Do NOT sign ANY free agent older than 27
We’ve been down that road too many times before.

THIS TIME, BE SMART

The best trade in the history of the NYK franchise was a stroke of Eddie Donovan genius. It involved acquiring just ONE versatile player who changed the equation. Walt Bellamy and Howie Komives for Dave DeBusschere. We held on to our core that included Frazier and Reed.

“The DeBusschere deal stands as proof that sometimes it’s worth it to make a major trade, while also representing evidence that trades are better when they leave you with some decent players and don’t completely deplete your entire roster in the name of getting one big star.”

The DeBusschere deal is a lesson to remember.
He was 28 years old.

My beloved New York Knicks simply need to bundle, or uncover one diamond in the rough, with their two first round draft selections.

The front office finally has some stability and continuity. (Thanks Clyde) Hopefully, Thibs has a voice in choosing the groceries.

Please name just one available player that would be the equivalent of Dave DeBusschere as a defensive enforcer / rebounder/ offensive weapon who can shoot with positive results from 20 feet?

Go...

If you want to keep it simple it should be all about a championship sooner than Later.

They have to spend wisely, don't be cheap, and don't over spend, find a balance, and build a balance team of youth, vets, leadership

We don't have stability because this front office and coaching staff is just a yr in. But If you want stability you have to keep getting better every yr

Don't worry about the age of a player, injuries have no age limit, KP will show you that, Kyrie will show you that, steph will show you that. If the player fills a need, is productive, and could fit in with the rest of the roster, than do you homework and jump on it.

Its that simple

it will be simple. Thibs will get his way. Cap space will be used for CP3 and Norm Powell, two guys Thibs loves. We move up in the draft for Deveon Mitchell and bring back Taj. Maybe we draft a UK project like the skinny center, but I suspect its CP3/Norm filling in at PG and SF next season.

Not bad as we bring back a bunch of young guys also in Mitch/RJ/IQ/Obi in the rotation and Knox under contract. Luka and DMitchell are perfect to fight for backup PG which might include IQ (I see more as a backup 2)

fishmike wrote:it will be simple. Thibs will get his way. Cap space will be used for CP3 and Norm Powell, two guys Thibs loves. We move up in the draft for Deveon Mitchell and bring back Taj. Maybe we draft a UK project like the skinny center, but I suspect its CP3/Norm filling in at PG and SF next season.

Not bad as we bring back a bunch of young guys also in Mitch/RJ/IQ/Obi in the rotation and Knox under contract. Luka and DMitchell are perfect to fight for backup PG which might include IQ (I see more as a backup 2)

I can’t see CP3 leaving especially if they win the chip which definitely isn’t impossible. Norm is possible but I’m just not sure if he’s worth a slot at the 20MM he’d cost

Zero point zero chance CP3 comes here unless we offer him a 3-4 year deal at max or near max which would be crazy

fishmike wrote:it will be simple. Thibs will get his way. Cap space will be used for CP3 and Norm Powell, two guys Thibs loves. We move up in the draft for Deveon Mitchell and bring back Taj. Maybe we draft a UK project like the skinny center, but I suspect its CP3/Norm filling in at PG and SF next season.

Not bad as we bring back a bunch of young guys also in Mitch/RJ/IQ/Obi in the rotation and Knox under contract. Luka and DMitchell are perfect to fight for backup PG which might include IQ (I see more as a backup 2)

I can see Quickley developing into a Jason Terry type of combo guard but better. He showed ability to run point this season. Problem is Thibs had his year-long bromance with Elf and then we traded for Rose so IQ played rest of the season almost exclusively at the 2

That’s part of why I think taking on Kemba in a salary dump is a good idea. Kemba would only be here for 2 years, start at PG 50-55 games per year while IQ backs him up and continues to develop into a full time pg

6-9 230 long arms versatile defender

6-11 245 versatile defender

Two 2 way players we can have at our draft positions. Robinson better defender at Villanova than bridges— also more versatile

Philc1 wrote:Zero point zero chance CP3 comes here unless we offer him a 3-4 year deal at max or near max which would be crazy

would it?

Philc1 wrote:Zero point zero chance CP3 comes here unless we offer him a 3-4 year deal at max or near max which would be crazy

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/06/hoop...

Over 38 Rule

Knicks can't offer Paul a 3-4 year deal. They can however eat the cap acceleration on a deferred comp contract. Meaning they can offer more money to Paul than any other team in the NBA. However it would immediately choke out their cap space.

The cash hit would normalize like any other contract, however the cap hit would be immediate and brutal.

I disagree with NOT signing ANY free agent older than 27. IF you can get a stud here as a FA, that means you aren't giving up any other assets other than money.

Trading resources for a 25 year old star vs signing a 28 year old star without trading any assets? Which one makes more sense?

It all depends on the player.

TripleThreat wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Zero point zero chance CP3 comes here unless we offer him a 3-4 year deal at max or near max which would be crazy

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/06/hoop...

Over 38 Rule

Knicks can't offer Paul a 3-4 year deal. They can however eat the cap acceleration on a deferred comp contract. Meaning they can offer more money to Paul than any other team in the NBA. However it would immediately choke out their cap space.

The cash hit would normalize like any other contract, however the cap hit would be immediate and brutal.

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Zero point zero chance CP3 comes here unless we offer him a 3-4 year deal at max or near max which would be crazy

would it?

I’d rather have Dinwiddie.