Knicks · So many Injuries makes me want to avoid max contracts (page 1)

Kawhi, Embiid, CP3(now in protocol out indefinitely) Conley, Kyrie, Harden, AD

I'm good with just one max player and 9 2nd tier players, because all hope is lost when you lose one of your Max guys.

Look at how many max guys are getting injured

You can load manage all you want, it doesn't take but 1 second to land on the foot of a player and receive a severely sprain ankle, Knee issues that reappear when your playing longer and harder.

I think back to 1999 when Ewing went down, all hope was lost, think LJ had back issues to.

So I have to asked, is it really worth gambling on 2 or 3 max players or should we be 2 deep at every rotational position?

I think The Dallas championship (one max guy in Dirk) and The Raptors championship (one max guy in kawhi) is and example of Depth over Marquee Talent

Yeah but all of those players have taken there teams to deep playoff runs?

This is how the alcohol starts before noon for me

TPercy wrote:Yeah but all of those players have taken there teams to deep playoff runs?

That's true, but only when they are healthy.

martin wrote:This is how the alcohol starts before noon for me

bloody mary. Its got veggies in it. Its practically brunch.

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:Yeah but all of those players have taken there teams to deep playoff runs?

That's true, but only when they are healthy.

actually you are wrong. CP3 is out, yet he STILL took his team deep into the playoffs. Madness right? Maybe if you asked them super nice when they sign to not get hurt that would help also. Hopefully Leon is considering these things.

knicks1248 wrote:Kawhi, Embiid, CP3(now in protocol out indefinitely) Conley, Kyrie, Harden, AD

I'm good with just one max player and 9 2nd tier players, because all hope is lost when you lose one of your Max guys.

Look at how many max guys are getting injured

You can load manage all you want, it doesn't take but 1 second to land on the foot of a player and receive a severely sprain ankle, Knee issues that reappear when your playing longer and harder.

I think back to 1999 when Ewing went down, all hope was lost, think LJ had back issues to.

So I have to asked, is it really worth gambling on 2 or 3 max players or should we be 2 deep at every rotational position?

I think The Dallas championship (one max guy in Dirk) and The Raptors championship (one max guy in kawhi) is and example of Depth over Marquee Talent

you don't max guys after max careers. The point is to get them young via draft, trade, or FA.
Aren't you the guy that a few hours ago said knicks need to not be so conservative? Your a wuss reactionary fan.
Most are. Don't take it personal. YOu see a trend and follow it. Since your not accountable, you have no track record then "I said many times.....". You cherry pick also.
Leave out the obvious gaffs and just remember the good.
And don't fret, your not in charge and its not your money. So its easy.

knicks1248 wrote:

TPercy wrote:Yeah but all of those players have taken there teams to deep playoff runs?

That's true, but only when they are healthy.

Dont' date supermodels after they gain weight. Wise.
Don't buy a stock after its gone up huge. No kidding.
True genius is the seek out value when others can't see it.

All these teams that are still in the playoffs with a chance at a championship - what a bunch of suckers

knicks1248 wrote:Kawhi, Embiid, CP3(now in protocol out indefinitely) Conley, Kyrie, Harden, AD

I'm good with just one max player and 9 2nd tier players, because all hope is lost when you lose one of your Max guys.

Look at how many max guys are getting injured

You can load manage all you want, it doesn't take but 1 second to land on the foot of a player and receive a severely sprain ankle, Knee issues that reappear when your playing longer and harder.

I think back to 1999 when Ewing went down, all hope was lost, think LJ had back issues to.

So I have to asked, is it really worth gambling on 2 or 3 max players or should we be 2 deep at every rotational position?

I think The Dallas championship (one max guy in Dirk) and The Raptors championship (one max guy in kawhi) is and example of Depth over Marquee Talent

So you don't believe in building via the draft, and now you think you can sign 9 2nd tier players. You do realise second tier players nowadays get paid near max contracts? So you either pay a max tier player a max, or you sign a second tier palyer for a near max (if they even make it to unrestricted free agency). Even if all the second tier players made it to unrestricted free agency, You are not getting 9 of them because there's no way you can get it to work under the cap.

Rainman now prescribes Steve Mills post Durant/Kyrie view. The irony of that is kind of amusing.
We signed two. Randle and Hardaway. Both grew into their salaries. Timmy was never a 1st option and we threw him into the fire. He never got there but as 3rd he is a very good player! Randle worked out great. Both lower than tier 2.
Like they say in Dallas, it was “the Hardaway trade with knicks”!
1248 just all over the place. Perhaps take off the arrogance he like the rest of us.

The Durant game should be the perfect benchmark game for everyone as a reference point. THAT game right there is why you move heaven and earth to get the elite player signed long term.

Forget the Alamo. Remember Durant.

Want to win big? You need to take risks.

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Kawhi, Embiid, CP3(now in protocol out indefinitely) Conley, Kyrie, Harden, AD

I'm good with just one max player and 9 2nd tier players, because all hope is lost when you lose one of your Max guys.

Look at how many max guys are getting injured

You can load manage all you want, it doesn't take but 1 second to land on the foot of a player and receive a severely sprain ankle, Knee issues that reappear when your playing longer and harder.

I think back to 1999 when Ewing went down, all hope was lost, think LJ had back issues to.

So I have to asked, is it really worth gambling on 2 or 3 max players or should we be 2 deep at every rotational position?

I think The Dallas championship (one max guy in Dirk) and The Raptors championship (one max guy in kawhi) is and example of Depth over Marquee Talent

So you don't believe in building via the draft, and now you think you can sign 9 2nd tier players. You do realise second tier players nowadays get paid near max contracts? So you either pay a max tier player a max, or you sign a second tier palyer for a near max (if they even make it to unrestricted free agency). Even if all the second tier players made it to unrestricted free agency, You are not getting 9 of them because there's no way you can get it to work under the cap.

Cmon dude, I'm not being literal with 9 2nd tier players, but more like 2 deep at every position as opposed to what the Nets and Lakers did

No one Builds through the draft (with the exception of the KINGS) the team with the worst record in the nba over the last 10 yrs. Even mills woke up after his first 2 seasons and signed a bunch of vets

The better you are as a team the less you will pay for talent, just like having good credit and not having to pay high ass interest rates.

I know we have a conservative FO, but I'm sure THIBS is going to have a lot of say (after winning COY) about who he wants and stating the below a few months ago

“Sometimes you have to do it through trades, sometimes it’s free agency,” the coach said Tuesday. “But I think you have to be very aggressive in seeking out those opportunities. They just don’t happen by accident. You have to make them happen.”

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Kawhi, Embiid, CP3(now in protocol out indefinitely) Conley, Kyrie, Harden, AD

I'm good with just one max player and 9 2nd tier players, because all hope is lost when you lose one of your Max guys.

Look at how many max guys are getting injured

You can load manage all you want, it doesn't take but 1 second to land on the foot of a player and receive a severely sprain ankle, Knee issues that reappear when your playing longer and harder.

I think back to 1999 when Ewing went down, all hope was lost, think LJ had back issues to.

So I have to asked, is it really worth gambling on 2 or 3 max players or should we be 2 deep at every rotational position?

I think The Dallas championship (one max guy in Dirk) and The Raptors championship (one max guy in kawhi) is and example of Depth over Marquee Talent

So you don't believe in building via the draft, and now you think you can sign 9 2nd tier players. You do realise second tier players nowadays get paid near max contracts? So you either pay a max tier player a max, or you sign a second tier palyer for a near max (if they even make it to unrestricted free agency). Even if all the second tier players made it to unrestricted free agency, You are not getting 9 of them because there's no way you can get it to work under the cap.

Cmon dude, I'm not being literal with 9 2nd tier players, but more like 2 deep at every position as opposed to what the Nets and Lakers did

No one Builds through the draft (with the exception of the KINGS) the team with the worst record in the nba over the last 10 yrs. Even mills woke up after his first 2 seasons and signed a bunch of vets

The better you are as a team the less you will pay for talent, just like having good credit and not having to pay high ass interest rates.

I know we have a conservative FO, but I'm sure THIBS is going to have a lot of say (after winning COY) about who he wants and stating the below a few months ago

“Sometimes you have to do it through trades, sometimes it’s free agency,” the coach said Tuesday. “But I think you have to be very aggressive in seeking out those opportunities. They just don’t happen by accident. You have to make them happen.”

What are you talking about? Most teams still build through the draft. How did that Warriors dynasty get built? How did the Bucks get Giannis or the Grizzlies get Morant?

And in case you haven’t seen we have no choice. Top FA’s have been snubbing us the past 10+ years despite the Knicks having plenty of cap room. Our best hope is to continue to build through the draft, remain competitive and maybe get 1 or 2 stars in 2022

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Kawhi, Embiid, CP3(now in protocol out indefinitely) Conley, Kyrie, Harden, AD

I'm good with just one max player and 9 2nd tier players, because all hope is lost when you lose one of your Max guys.

Look at how many max guys are getting injured

You can load manage all you want, it doesn't take but 1 second to land on the foot of a player and receive a severely sprain ankle, Knee issues that reappear when your playing longer and harder.

I think back to 1999 when Ewing went down, all hope was lost, think LJ had back issues to.

So I have to asked, is it really worth gambling on 2 or 3 max players or should we be 2 deep at every rotational position?

I think The Dallas championship (one max guy in Dirk) and The Raptors championship (one max guy in kawhi) is and example of Depth over Marquee Talent

So you don't believe in building via the draft, and now you think you can sign 9 2nd tier players. You do realise second tier players nowadays get paid near max contracts? So you either pay a max tier player a max, or you sign a second tier palyer for a near max (if they even make it to unrestricted free agency). Even if all the second tier players made it to unrestricted free agency, You are not getting 9 of them because there's no way you can get it to work under the cap.

Cmon dude, I'm not being literal with 9 2nd tier players, but more like 2 deep at every position as opposed to what the Nets and Lakers did

No one Builds through the draft (with the exception of the KINGS) the team with the worst record in the nba over the last 10 yrs. Even mills woke up after his first 2 seasons and signed a bunch of vets

The better you are as a team the less you will pay for talent, just like having good credit and not having to pay high ass interest rates.

I know we have a conservative FO, but I'm sure THIBS is going to have a lot of say (after winning COY) about who he wants and stating the below a few months ago

“Sometimes you have to do it through trades, sometimes it’s free agency,” the coach said Tuesday. “But I think you have to be very aggressive in seeking out those opportunities. They just don’t happen by accident. You have to make them happen.”

So how did the Warriors get Curry, Klay and Green? How did the Bucks get Giannis? How did the Sixers get Simmons and Embid? How did the Hawks get Trae Young? How did the Jazz get Mitchell and Gobert? How did the Blazers get CJ and Lillard? How did the Nuggets get Porter Jr, Jokic and Murray? How did the Suns get Ayton, Bridges and Booker? How did the Grizz get Morant and nearly all of their roster? How did Boston get Tatum and Brown? How did the hornets get Ball? What re OKC doing? Why did the Rockets, Pacers, Raptors and Cavs tank at the end of the season?

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Kawhi, Embiid, CP3(now in protocol out indefinitely) Conley, Kyrie, Harden, AD

I'm good with just one max player and 9 2nd tier players, because all hope is lost when you lose one of your Max guys.

Look at how many max guys are getting injured

You can load manage all you want, it doesn't take but 1 second to land on the foot of a player and receive a severely sprain ankle, Knee issues that reappear when your playing longer and harder.

I think back to 1999 when Ewing went down, all hope was lost, think LJ had back issues to.

So I have to asked, is it really worth gambling on 2 or 3 max players or should we be 2 deep at every rotational position?

I think The Dallas championship (one max guy in Dirk) and The Raptors championship (one max guy in kawhi) is and example of Depth over Marquee Talent

So you don't believe in building via the draft, and now you think you can sign 9 2nd tier players. You do realise second tier players nowadays get paid near max contracts? So you either pay a max tier player a max, or you sign a second tier palyer for a near max (if they even make it to unrestricted free agency). Even if all the second tier players made it to unrestricted free agency, You are not getting 9 of them because there's no way you can get it to work under the cap.

Cmon dude, I'm not being literal with 9 2nd tier players, but more like 2 deep at every position as opposed to what the Nets and Lakers did

No one Builds through the draft (with the exception of the KINGS) the team with the worst record in the nba over the last 10 yrs. Even mills woke up after his first 2 seasons and signed a bunch of vets

The better you are as a team the less you will pay for talent, just like having good credit and not having to pay high ass interest rates.

I know we have a conservative FO, but I'm sure THIBS is going to have a lot of say (after winning COY) about who he wants and stating the below a few months ago

“Sometimes you have to do it through trades, sometimes it’s free agency,” the coach said Tuesday. “But I think you have to be very aggressive in seeking out those opportunities. They just don’t happen by accident. You have to make them happen.”

So how did the Warriors get Curry, Klay and Green? How did the Bucks get Giannis? How did the Sixers get Simmons and Embid? How did the Hawks get Trae Young? How did the Jazz get Mitchell and Gobert? How did the Blazers get CJ and Lillard? How did the Nuggets get Porter Jr, Jokic and Murray? How did the Suns get Ayton, Bridges and Booker? How did the Grizz get Morant and nearly all of their roster? How did Boston get Tatum and Brown? How did the hornets get Ball? What re OKC doing? Why did the Rockets, Pacers, Raptors and Cavs tank at the end of the season?

obviously those are cherry picked outlier examples

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Kawhi, Embiid, CP3(now in protocol out indefinitely) Conley, Kyrie, Harden, AD

I'm good with just one max player and 9 2nd tier players, because all hope is lost when you lose one of your Max guys.

Look at how many max guys are getting injured

You can load manage all you want, it doesn't take but 1 second to land on the foot of a player and receive a severely sprain ankle, Knee issues that reappear when your playing longer and harder.

I think back to 1999 when Ewing went down, all hope was lost, think LJ had back issues to.

So I have to asked, is it really worth gambling on 2 or 3 max players or should we be 2 deep at every rotational position?

I think The Dallas championship (one max guy in Dirk) and The Raptors championship (one max guy in kawhi) is and example of Depth over Marquee Talent

So you don't believe in building via the draft, and now you think you can sign 9 2nd tier players. You do realise second tier players nowadays get paid near max contracts? So you either pay a max tier player a max, or you sign a second tier palyer for a near max (if they even make it to unrestricted free agency). Even if all the second tier players made it to unrestricted free agency, You are not getting 9 of them because there's no way you can get it to work under the cap.

Cmon dude, I'm not being literal with 9 2nd tier players, but more like 2 deep at every position as opposed to what the Nets and Lakers did

No one Builds through the draft (with the exception of the KINGS) the team with the worst record in the nba over the last 10 yrs. Even mills woke up after his first 2 seasons and signed a bunch of vets

The better you are as a team the less you will pay for talent, just like having good credit and not having to pay high ass interest rates.

I know we have a conservative FO, but I'm sure THIBS is going to have a lot of say (after winning COY) about who he wants and stating the below a few months ago

“Sometimes you have to do it through trades, sometimes it’s free agency,” the coach said Tuesday. “But I think you have to be very aggressive in seeking out those opportunities. They just don’t happen by accident. You have to make them happen.”

So how did the Warriors get Curry, Klay and Green? How did the Bucks get Giannis? How did the Sixers get Simmons and Embid? How did the Hawks get Trae Young? How did the Jazz get Mitchell and Gobert? How did the Blazers get CJ and Lillard? How did the Nuggets get Porter Jr, Jokic and Murray? How did the Suns get Ayton, Bridges and Booker? How did the Grizz get Morant and nearly all of their roster? How did Boston get Tatum and Brown? How did the hornets get Ball? What re OKC doing? Why did the Rockets, Pacers, Raptors and Cavs tank at the end of the season?

The problem im having is that if your not very good at drafting, then you shouldn't be drafting but rather selling.

What's even more baffling is that we have been in the lottery more than any other team (except for the sun and kings) and we have no trae, no gannis, no booker, no simmons or embiid. We have Knox, Frank, KP, willy, IQ, RJ, OBI, and a few other avg to below avg players.

Are any of our 9 picks in 11 yrs are as good as any of the guys you mention.

And yes we have had cap space, but since our draft picks aren't future super stars, no ones signing up to play with Frank or knox, but best believe they sign up to play with Trae, Gannis, Simmons, luka, ect.

Rj is the best we have had since EWING, so give me a break about building through the draft.

what make your statement sound even more silly is that aside from curry, none of those guys have won a championship, and will probably be on another team (hopefully the knicks) before they do.

at this point, i have seen you say knicks stink at: drafting, trades, fa. so what are they supposed to do?

because only curry won a title, the draft still stinks? so folks will line up to play with DRAFTED guys who havent won a title, yet the draft is stlll suspect?

sidsanders wrote:at this point, i have seen you say knicks stink at: drafting, trades, fa. so what are they supposed to do?

because only curry won a title, the draft still stinks? so folks will line up to play with DRAFTED guys who havent won a title, yet the draft is stlll suspect?

never mind what i say, look at the results for yourself.

The best thing we have done is finally hiring the right coaching staff and FO, so we'll see.

But you will lose any argument with any NBA fan if you go with the knicks have been making good trade, drafting well, and signing solid FA.

the franchise has had no stability because they have no success at Trading, sign FA and drafting.

You are starting to make sense

knicks1248 wrote:never mind what i say

martin wrote:You are starting to make sense

knicks1248 wrote:never mind what i say

only to you my friend, only to you...oh yeah and nolad, or nalod, or toad, or whathater is name is