Knicks · 2021 NBA Free Agency (and around the league): Preview and Primer (page 33)

martin @ 8/17/2021 5:34 PM
BigRedDog @ 8/17/2021 7:42 PM
martin wrote:

People really aren't talking about it but we also received 2 #2 draft picks in the sign and trade with Boston. When do we ever do this? In the past we would have given up a #1 in the deal

Chandler @ 8/17/2021 10:33 PM

concerning the highly protected 2d round pick: just a reminder we got Jerricho at 58 so not worthless
unstopaball12 @ 8/18/2021 12:48 AM
BigRedDog wrote:
martin wrote:

People really aren't talking about it but we also received 2 #2 draft picks in the sign and trade with Boston. When do we ever do this? In the past we would have given up a #1 in the deal

Stockpiling picks for a future trade for a quality player I hope

SergioNYK @ 8/18/2021 9:56 AM
BigRedDog wrote:
martin wrote:

People really aren't talking about it but we also received 2 #2 draft picks in the sign and trade with Boston. When do we ever do this? In the past we would have given up a #1 in the deal

Do not get attached to any one player on this roster including RJ cause this regime will trade him and the rest of the kids for an established star as soon as they can. Hopefully it's the right star and we don't end up depleted.

unstopaball12 @ 8/18/2021 12:59 PM
OT: I wanted us to get Steve Clifford for the role of mike Woodson in the staff. He had history with kemba,Fournier and thibs. Too bad the nets got him. I think these old coaches don’t want to do the grind as assistant coaches since he got the same role as mike d Antoni.

Interested to see how they fill that role on the bench. Does someone like dice move up or they hire someone else?

martin @ 8/18/2021 1:17 PM
unstopaball12 wrote:OT: I wanted us to get Steve Clifford for the role of mike Woodson in the staff. He had history with kemba,Fournier and thibs. Too bad the nets got him. I think these old coaches don’t want to do the grind as assistant coaches since he got the same role as mike d Antoni.

Interested to see how they fill that role on the bench. Does someone like dice move up or they hire someone else?

Good point

martin @ 8/18/2021 2:15 PM
BigDaddyG @ 8/18/2021 3:57 PM
martin wrote:

If Taj's second year is a team option, then there's no way you can complain about the signing.

Philc1 @ 8/18/2021 4:21 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
martin wrote:

People really aren't talking about it but we also received 2 #2 draft picks in the sign and trade with Boston. When do we ever do this? In the past we would have given up a #1 in the deal

12 years ago Isiah would have traded multiple first round picks to the Mavericks to get KP back this offseason

martin @ 8/18/2021 9:41 PM
Man, didn't realize Bassey went 53

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/chec...

Checking In On Unsigned 2021 NBA Draft Picks
August 18th 2021 at 3:12pm CST by Luke Adams

When Usman Garuba officially signed his rookie contract with Houston earlier this week, he became the 30th and final first-round pick from the 2021 draft to sign his first NBA deal. There will be no draft-and-stash players among this year’s first-rounders — they’re all now officially on NBA rosters.

As our tracker shows, another 23 second-rounders from this year’s draft class have also signed their first NBA contracts or – in Joe Wieskamp‘s case – agreed to a deal that should be officially completed soon.

That leaves just seven prospects from 2021’s 60-player draft class who have yet to be signed. They are as follows:

34 New York Knicks: Rokas Jokubaitis, G, Lithuania
45 Boston Celtics: Juhann Begarin, G, France
49 Brooklyn Nets: Marcus Zegarowski, G, Creighton
50 Philadelphia 76ers: Filip Petrusev, F, Serbia
53 Philadelphia 76ers: Charles Bassey, C, Western Kentucky
57 Detroit Pistons: Balsa Koprivica, C, Florida State
59 Brooklyn Nets: RaiQuan Gray, F, Florida State

Of these seven players, at least three appear on track to spend the 2021/22 season in Europe. Jokubaitis returned to his team in Barcelona following his Summer League stint with the Knicks, while Petrusev signed with Turkish team Anadolu Efes after playing for the Sixers in Summer League. Begarin, who also played in Summer League for the Celtics, will likely end up heading back overseas to France

That leaves just four true unsigned second-round picks, including a pair of Nets. It will be interesting to see what Brooklyn’s plans are for Zegarowski and Gray. The team currently has 13 players on guaranteed contracts and one on a two-way deal, so there could conceivably be room for Zegarowski on the 15-man squad, with Gray getting the other two-way deal.

However, DeAndre’ Bembry has a partially guaranteed contract and looks like a good bet to make the Nets’ regular-season roster, and Reggie Perry (free agent) and David Duke (Exhibit 10) are among the other candidates to get a two-way deal from the team. It’s also not clear if Brooklyn intends to carry a full 15-man roster to start the season, since leaving a roster spot open would create major tax savings for the franchise.

I could envision a scenario in which Zegarowski signs a two-way contract and Gray signs a G League deal to play for the Long Island Nets, but that’s just my speculation. There are still a number of ways the Nets could go.

Meanwhile, prospects drafted in the 50s like Bassey (No. 53) and Koprivica (No. 57) are generally good candidates for two-way deals, but the Sixers and Pistons have recently filled both of their two-way openings. Perhaps Philadelphia envisions Bassey taking Anthony Tolliver‘s spot on the 15-man roster, since Tolliver is on a non-guaranteed contract.

It’ll be trickier for Detroit to find a roster spot for Koprivica. The Pistons already have 15 players on guaranteed contracts and still may re-sign restricted free agent Hamidou Diallo. Stashing Koprivica overseas or in the G League could be the plan. Koprivica was born and raised in Serbia, so he might be more comfortable spending a season overseas than a typical NCAA draftee would be.

gradyandrew @ 8/18/2021 11:12 PM
SergioNYK wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
martin wrote:

People really aren't talking about it but we also received 2 #2 draft picks in the sign and trade with Boston. When do we ever do this? In the past we would have given up a #1 in the deal

Do not get attached to any one player on this roster including RJ cause this regime will trade him and the rest of the kids for an established star as soon as they can. Hopefully it's the right star and we don't end up depleted.

Nothing about the way this front office has operated so far supports this. Andre Drummond being exhibit one. Established star，available at the minimum， Knicks had a need with Robinson's injury. The Knicks front office decided continuity was the way to go and not star chasing.
Knicks don't want a JJ Redick moment where they trade a guy and he later bad talks the team. Instead players around the league are noticing that guys who played well in New York got significant raises across the board.

gradyandrew @ 8/19/2021 2:32 AM
VDesai wrote:We got 2 second rounders (one seems highly protected and possibly useless) and we gave the Celtics a 17mm trade exception to play with at the deadline. Was that really worth it for us? Seems like we gave one of our competitors some room to maneuver.

Celtics are right at the tax line so using it would be expensive. Celtics could combine it with Horford deal and have 45 million to trade， but only 15 million in salaries. As teams have gotten smarter， the number of truly atrocious deals has shrunken. The flip side of that and just shorter deals in general is that expiring contracts and trade exemptions aren't worth what they used to be.
The value of the trade exemption is a lot more nebulous than those picks. I'd also add that so far Rose seems a lot more savvy than Brad Stevens.
gradyandrew @ 8/19/2021 10:08 AM
Can we just lump all the Celtics\ Knicks\ OKC moves together as a non instantaneous mega deal?

Knicks
out:
2021 pick Robinson-Earl
in:
Fournier
Kemba
C's two second round picks
Rokas，McBride

C's
out:
Kemba
Fournier
1 first，2 seconds
in:
Horford
Fournier trade exemption

OKC
out:
2 2021 second round picks to NY
Horford
in:
Knicks 2021 pick Robinson Earl
Cs first rounder
OKC pays 40/2 of Walker's contract.

LivingLegend @ 8/19/2021 11:09 AM
Fournier at 3 for $53M (with 4th year as option) sure sounds a touch better vs. Rozier at 4 form$97M.

Rozier at almost $25M per year - damn.

martin @ 8/19/2021 12:00 PM
Wild right?

I feel like we have hit a new era of contracts where extending players you maybe like is a must

LivingLegend wrote:Fournier at 3 for $53M (with 4th year as option) sure sounds a touch better vs. Rozier at 4 form$97M.

Rozier at almost $25M per year - damn.

Chandler @ 8/19/2021 12:08 PM
i thought Charlotte turned a corner and then i see this ^^^

there will be buyer's regret. He's a pg, not a 2; there will be friction in the near future

martin @ 8/19/2021 12:14 PM
Chandler wrote:i thought Charlotte turned a corner and then i see this ^^^

there will be buyer's regret. He's a pg, not a 2; there will be friction in the near future

I have to tell you, I've always thought the opposite.

Combo guard for sure and more SG for me.

BigDaddyG @ 8/19/2021 12:35 PM
martin wrote:
Chandler wrote:i thought Charlotte turned a corner and then i see this ^^^

there will be buyer's regret. He's a pg, not a 2; there will be friction in the near future

I have to tell you, I've always thought the opposite.

Combo guard for sure and more SG for me.

Yep, Devonte was more of the "PG" in those backcourt lineups. Not crazy about this extension. I want that future first to convey.

martin @ 8/19/2021 12:38 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
Chandler wrote:i thought Charlotte turned a corner and then i see this ^^^

there will be buyer's regret. He's a pg, not a 2; there will be friction in the near future

I have to tell you, I've always thought the opposite.

Combo guard for sure and more SG for me.

Yep, Devonte was more of the "PG" in those backcourt lineups. Not crazy about this extension. I want that future first to convey.

Feel like that first may convey in 2023 the way that team is set up but who knows.

martin @ 8/19/2021 1:12 PM

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