Knicks · Anyone still not big on this off-season? (page 7)

wargames wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:
5. I don't think Reggie Bullock's defense has ever been rated higher than now. Somehow he was the key to a top 5 defense and now that he's gone it's about to fall apart? It seems like a stretch to get worried about it， more PTSD.

+1
I've never understood this. Almost every game highlight vid has at least one possession where Bullock gets caught guarding no one in traffic and we give up an open layup. His D stats are okay, but it's not like we let a Kawhi walk away defensively.

Agreed, with that said I wonder if they’ll be someone to take that toughest defensive assignment or if they’ll try to do it by committee.

If a plus one-on-one wing defender hits the market I could see the Knicks biting.

let’s keep in mind grimes is 6’5” 210 with a 6’8” wingspan and was often described in draft writeups as a “lockdown wing defender. ” I could see thibs giving him a shot in certain situations.

gradyandrew wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:1. I give this offseason a B.

I wanted to address the PG position and increase the overall talent on the team and I think we did 2. to a certain degree.

I don't view Kemba as the long term answer at PG. He's more of a stop gap. I really wanted once and for all to have that position locked up for years to come but Kemba is a lot better than Elfrid Payton (who isn't? ). To be fair, there really wasn't a legit chance to address this position. 3. I'm not a fan of Lonzo and I much rather have Rose at the half the price of Lowry. I was hoping for that Sexton trade but maybe Cleveland wanted too much in return. But for $18M/2 years, Kemba is a good gamble. Let's hope that knee holds up!

4.Not super excited about Fournier but I understand what he brings and how he's expected to help. He's just not someone who excites you, which I would expect for $78M. Guess $78M isn't worth what it used to!

I'm fine bringing back Rose, Noel and Burks. No problems at all with their contracts either. All were fair and are tradeable. Maybe I would have preferred to bring back Bullock over Burks for the 5. perimeter defense but it's not that big of a deal.

6. I'm fine with the Draft picks for now. Sorry for Knox ruined Summer League for me and I can never trust what I see at those games. Hopefully Grimes, McBride and Sims develop and can help this season and beyond.

1. It seems like you have Knicks fan PTSD. This was a great offseason， I don't really see how it could have gone better. If not an A+,then definitely an A

2. To what degree? Kemba is much closer to Kyrie and Lillard than to Lonzo， Graham， and Dinwiddie. Even if the Knicks just used their cap space to absorb his deal， I think the upgrade would have been worth it. It would have cost the Knicks being able to resign Burks and Noel. The financials of the deal make it a home run. Fit，history， and weakening the Celtics makes it a grand slam.
With Rose Knicks have the best bench PG in the league as well. I don't really see a better PG tandem in the league.

3. I feel like the injury concerns are overblown. Everyone gets injured. Kemba came back last season and by May was back in All Star form. Boston's trade was about culture，fit， and money. OKC knew the buyout deal was the best on the table. They are happy to get him off the roster so Giddy and SGA can get more minutes.

4. Yoda voice， "You will be. You will be." EF was not the best shooting (Robinson)， passing (DeRozan) or defensive (Caruso/ PJ) wing available this offseason. You can find plenty of stats where he's merely above average. But if you look at the sum of his game，he's a smidgen below Middleton and PG， two other guys whose competency across the board elevates them to All Star status. Defensively weaker than those 2 but like Kemba in CHA， Fournier has been a key component of some very good defensive teams. The fact that Kemba and Fournier already have half a season together is what gives this offseason that +.

For a better breakdown on the two，thestrick.land has some great articles.

5. I don't think Reggie Bullock's defense has ever been rated higher than now. Somehow he was the key to a top 5 defense and now that he's gone it's about to fall apart? It seems like a stretch to get worried about it， more PTSD.

6. Why just fine? Trading out opened up the money for Kemba and we still get a future pick. We got 2 marksman 3 and D guys and a high upside young big. This team is stacked.

We've had our heads bitten a lot of times in the past，so I get it. But seriously， Knicks are shooting for the one seed， don't be surprised if they get it.

they had the most cap space in the league and a lot of draft assets and they were not able to add a star player. Now to be fair the pickings were very slim and adding Kemba after the buy out was really what changes this offseason. Before Kemba its a C- at best based on the assets they had to work with. With Kemba its a solid B+

Cant give them an A as they had a ton of options and failed to add a star player. They did a good a job kicking the can down the road a bit and adding more future assets while still improving the talent and addressing the biggest need (PG).

Overall I am really excited. McBride looks like he could be the Marcus Smart type we hoped Frank would be. Kemba/Rose is a great PG combo and we have a little depth behind them with IQ/McBride.

Overall I am very excited. Our future still heavily depends on how good RJ, Obi, Mitch, IQ and the other kids develop, but we have built up a squad and a culture and we are drafting young guys, developing them and working every possible angle to get better and I love the coach and his staff so its all good for me. I am really pumped for this year and I think we build on last year and get a little better.

We can also put together very good packages if a star player shakes loose.

jrodmc wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:
5. I don't think Reggie Bullock's defense has ever been rated higher than now. Somehow he was the key to a top 5 defense and now that he's gone it's about to fall apart? It seems like a stretch to get worried about it， more PTSD.

+1
I've never understood this. Almost every game highlight vid has at least one possession where Bullock gets caught guarding no one in traffic and we give up an open layup. His D stats are okay, but it's not like we let a Kawhi walk away defensively.

likely because Bullock guarded the best scorer most every night and didnt take plays off. He was fantastic. Overall Fournier is a better player but we are absolutely going to miss Reggie's defense. Its the main reason I would have rather have had Norm Powell. That being said we are not winning/losing the title because of Powell vs. Fournier.
We have a good squad and you figure EF is a very good 3rd/4th scoring option after PG/Julius. I like the team so we will see. Thibs was COY. I think he's got a really good roster and one that fits him well.

As predicted Powell got extended by Portland and Trent Jr by Toronto. Players not leaving the money as hoped.
That said, is RJ the 3 and what do we think of his defense? He gets little respect as he is quiet type non highlight type of player. Like Randle was until he broke out. I’m biased fan so I “can’t feel/see” RJ’s ceiling. I drink the Kool-aid.

jrodmc wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:
5. I don't think Reggie Bullock's defense has ever been rated higher than now. Somehow he was the key to a top 5 defense and now that he's gone it's about to fall apart? It seems like a stretch to get worried about it， more PTSD.

+1
I've never understood this. Almost every game highlight vid has at least one possession where Bullock gets caught guarding no one in traffic and we give up an open layup. His D stats are okay, but it's not like we let a Kawhi walk away defensively.

This.

Bullock was at best a decent defender. Not sure why revisionist historians are acting like he was a prime Ron Artest

I think Dallas got great value for the money with Bullock.

I hope Fournier earns his paycheck, or I’ll wish we kept Reggie for chemistry and continuity.

Most likely RJ will take the toughest assignment. I think Bacon is a back up wing defender，nothing about his offensive stats justify his minutes in Orlando and Charlotte.

Kemba was an All Star for four seasons in a row before missing last season. So the argument 'the Knicks didn't sign a star' doesn't make sense to me. This seems like more NYC PTSD; the argument is "Celtics abandoned Kemba because he is no longer an All Star" I really don't see the evidence for that.

The talent/ skills upgrade from Payton/ Bullock to Kemba/ Fournier is massive. It seems like the backend players are also much better.

Marv wrote:

wargames wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:
5. I don't think Reggie Bullock's defense has ever been rated higher than now. Somehow he was the key to a top 5 defense and now that he's gone it's about to fall apart? It seems like a stretch to get worried about it， more PTSD.

+1
I've never understood this. Almost every game highlight vid has at least one possession where Bullock gets caught guarding no one in traffic and we give up an open layup. His D stats are okay, but it's not like we let a Kawhi walk away defensively.

Agreed, with that said I wonder if they’ll be someone to take that toughest defensive assignment or if they’ll try to do it by committee.

If a plus one-on-one wing defender hits the market I could see the Knicks biting.

let’s keep in mind grimes is 6’5” 210 with a 6’8” wingspan and was often described in draft writeups as a “lockdown wing defender. ” I could see thibs giving him a shot in certain situations.

6'4" - actually a big difference between being a solid sized SG vs. slightly undersized.

Caseloads wrote:

Marv wrote:

wargames wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:
5. I don't think Reggie Bullock's defense has ever been rated higher than now. Somehow he was the key to a top 5 defense and now that he's gone it's about to fall apart? It seems like a stretch to get worried about it， more PTSD.

+1
I've never understood this. Almost every game highlight vid has at least one possession where Bullock gets caught guarding no one in traffic and we give up an open layup. His D stats are okay, but it's not like we let a Kawhi walk away defensively.

Agreed, with that said I wonder if they’ll be someone to take that toughest defensive assignment or if they’ll try to do it by committee.

If a plus one-on-one wing defender hits the market I could see the Knicks biting.

let’s keep in mind grimes is 6’5” 210 with a 6’8” wingspan and was often described in draft writeups as a “lockdown wing defender. ” I could see thibs giving him a shot in certain situations.

6'4" - actually a big difference between being a solid sized SG vs. slightly undersized.

i did see a 6’4” reference but all the rest listed him at 6’5”