Knicks · Championship or bust (page 2)

Nalod wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You play to win the game”

If u have the goods and I personally believe we do— what other goal can u possibly have

Just win baby

Okay Briggs, I'm genuinely interested. I admit I'm 'championship or a demonstrative improvement over last season would be a reasonable and acceptable outcome.'

So how do people who watch the games on TV become 'championship or bust'?

Do I hold the remote differently?

Should I order wings instead of pizza on Doordash?

Do I have to take notes during the Wally Wall?

I'm really asking, how does this edict affect guys on their couch like you and me?

LOL, good point.
I spent 3 grand on a new TV last season. I have not one but two 15 inch subs fine tuned each with 1000watts of power to give me the low with accuracy when the crowd stomps its feet!
I have the subs attached to an EQ just for the low end.
Committed? Need I concave my home theater ceiling with Pinwheel design to replicate the garden. Then pretend to kick out Oak and spike when im grumpy?
What more can I do? Tell me, how can I go all in like Briggs? What can I do to replicate the plastic wisdom of 1248 other than rant on a NYC street corner to myself in a replica Danny Whalen top?
What Golden Mooby can I bow down before to demonstrate my fandom?

What French slang can you learn to keep that depth of the dearly departed long armed defensive yoot dream alive?
What flavor of Montana based wowie must you keep in your hospitality bowls on game night get togethers to allow everyone to see the beauty of Thib's version of Zen?
How many Steve Mills prayer candles must you light at once to attain the proper soft edges on the new TV picture?
How far can you tune the bass distortion so Randle hitting the floor after a no-call provides the appropriate thunder?

You can practice 29 foot pull up threes until your shoulders are out of joint, ala JRSmiff.

You can shoot 3000 jumpers a day, like Allonzo Trier.

You can try to get your hairline even with the rim, like Scooby Obi.

Everyone's got an angle. Fanatics have goals to root for. Casual, erudite fans have vague interests and pointed opinions, sometimes appearing pseudo-intellectual sports analysis on an internet forum. Which are fun to read and respond to.

Neither are practical applications to the actual team's performance.

Let's not worry so much about unmet expectations, shall we? Fear the blasé instead.

jrodmc wrote:FANATIC. It's not that hard to understand. Maybe BRIGGS hasn't let go of his inner NBA Rookie of the Year dreams yet. I know I'm still running full court at 60 all summer long and would verbally punch someone in the face if they keep trying to tell me that the Knicks aren't worth the time of day. I absolutely love this game and the Knicks.

Maybe some people don't worry as much about the uncool blight of homerism as others do.

Knickoftime wrote:Very hard to understand. Was described as a "goal." (I'm quoting).

So how does a person who watches on TV work towards the goal of the Knicks winning a championship this season?

That's a perfectly reasonable question...

jrodmc wrote:Or maybe some people treat their favorite NBA basketball team as something a bit more personally motivating than watching TV while sucking down fast food.

Knickoftime wrote:Motivating to what?

Again, what's the practical application here?

jrodmc wrote:By the way, Lauletta says Hi!

Knickoftime wrote:Eli Manning's pointless, well below .500 record that only served to drag down his career record and resulted in a Giants legend holding a clipboard for the final 12 games of his career since that exchange says "hi" back.

Let the balloon go, and just embrace being wrong. It's really not a good look this way.
What's the practical application of petulance?

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You play to win the game”

If u have the goods and I personally believe we do— what other goal can u possibly have

Just win baby

Okay Briggs, I'm genuinely interested. I admit I'm 'championship or a demonstrative improvement over last season would be a reasonable and acceptable outcome.'

So how do people who watch the games on TV become 'championship or bust'?

Do I hold the remote differently?

Should I order wings instead of pizza on Doordash?

Do I have to take notes during the Wally Wall?

I'm really asking, how does this edict affect guys on their couch like you and me?

LOL, good point.
I spent 3 grand on a new TV last season. I have not one but two 15 inch subs fine tuned each with 1000watts of power to give me the low with accuracy when the crowd stomps its feet!
I have the subs attached to an EQ just for the low end.
Committed? Need I concave my home theater ceiling with Pinwheel design to replicate the garden. Then pretend to kick out Oak and spike when im grumpy?
What more can I do? Tell me, how can I go all in like Briggs? What can I do to replicate the plastic wisdom of 1248 other than rant on a NYC street corner to myself in a replica Danny Whalen top?
What Golden Mooby can I bow down before to demonstrate my fandom?

What French slang can you learn to keep that depth of the dearly departed long armed defensive yoot dream alive?
What flavor of Montana based wowie must you keep in your hospitality bowls on game night get togethers to allow everyone to see the beauty of Thib's version of Zen?
How many Steve Mills prayer candles must you light at once to attain the proper soft edges on the new TV picture?
How far can you tune the bass distortion so Randle hitting the floor after a no-call provides the appropriate thunder?

You can practice 29 foot pull up threes until your shoulders are out of joint, ala JRSmiff.

You can shoot 3000 jumpers a day, like Allonzo Trier.

You can try to get your hairline even with the rim, like Scooby Obi.

Everyone's got an angle. Fanatics have goals to root for. Casual, erudite fans have vague interests and pointed opinions, sometimes appearing pseudo-intellectual sports analysis on an internet forum. Which are fun to read and respond to.

Neither are practical applications to the actual team's performance.

Let's not worry so much about unmet expectations, shall we? Fear the blasé instead.

Steve Mills was fired for our sins!!!!
Briggs basically said "I am a better fan than anyone who accepts less than a chip!!!"

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You play to win the game”

If u have the goods and I personally believe we do— what other goal can u possibly have

Just win baby

Okay Briggs, I'm genuinely interested. I admit I'm 'championship or a demonstrative improvement over last season would be a reasonable and acceptable outcome.'

So how do people who watch the games on TV become 'championship or bust'?

Do I hold the remote differently?

Should I order wings instead of pizza on Doordash?

Do I have to take notes during the Wally Wall?

I'm really asking, how does this edict affect guys on their couch like you and me?

LOL, good point.
I spent 3 grand on a new TV last season. I have not one but two 15 inch subs fine tuned each with 1000watts of power to give me the low with accuracy when the crowd stomps its feet!
I have the subs attached to an EQ just for the low end.
Committed? Need I concave my home theater ceiling with Pinwheel design to replicate the garden. Then pretend to kick out Oak and spike when im grumpy?
What more can I do? Tell me, how can I go all in like Briggs? What can I do to replicate the plastic wisdom of 1248 other than rant on a NYC street corner to myself in a replica Danny Whalen top?
What Golden Mooby can I bow down before to demonstrate my fandom?

What French slang can you learn to keep that depth of the dearly departed long armed defensive yoot dream alive?
What flavor of Montana based wowie must you keep in your hospitality bowls on game night get togethers to allow everyone to see the beauty of Thib's version of Zen?
How many Steve Mills prayer candles must you light at once to attain the proper soft edges on the new TV picture?
How far can you tune the bass distortion so Randle hitting the floor after a no-call provides the appropriate thunder?

You can practice 29 foot pull up threes until your shoulders are out of joint, ala JRSmiff.

You can shoot 3000 jumpers a day, like Allonzo Trier.

You can try to get your hairline even with the rim, like Scooby Obi.

Everyone's got an angle. Fanatics have goals to root for.

No, they don't.

You don't root for a goal. You work towards a goal. That's what distinguishes a goal from a wish.

Which is the point.

Casual, erudite fans have vague interests and pointed opinions, sometimes appearing pseudo-intellectual sports analysis on an internet forum. Which are fun to read and respond to.

I can only assume you're referring to your soliloquy above.

I'd let other people tell you reading that was fun.

Fear the blasé instead.

Why?

What's to fear?

jrodmc wrote:

jrodmc wrote:FANATIC. It's not that hard to understand. Maybe BRIGGS hasn't let go of his inner NBA Rookie of the Year dreams yet. I know I'm still running full court at 60 all summer long and would verbally punch someone in the face if they keep trying to tell me that the Knicks aren't worth the time of day. I absolutely love this game and the Knicks.

Maybe some people don't worry as much about the uncool blight of homerism as others do.

Knickoftime wrote:Very hard to understand. Was described as a "goal." (I'm quoting).

So how does a person who watches on TV work towards the goal of the Knicks winning a championship this season?

That's a perfectly reasonable question...

Perfectly reasonable for someone who doesn't understand the term "root" as a verb.

I can only lead you to the difference between an active goal and a passive wish, I can't ... well you know.

jrodmc wrote:Practical application? Control issues, maybe? BRIGGS is motivated to root for a chip, with anything else being tolerable.

Since you've empowered yourself to speak for him, does he think anyone else doesn't?

"...or bust" is the relevant term here.

As his appointed spokesperson, can you explain what "...or bust" means? Because that was the original, simple question.

We're all rooting for a chip, but he's rooting for a chip or bust.

I'll ask again: what's the practical difference?

Must be SOMETHING to warrant a thread, no?

jrodmc wrote:Let the balloon go, and just embrace being wrong. It's really not a good look this way.
What's the practical application of petulance?

Concerning yourself with a "look" on a message board with strangers isn't a good look.

But since it's something you consider, what kind of a look s harboring an exchange from 4 years ago that you don't even remember correctly?

I'd have a hard time imaging that's a good look either.

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You play to win the game”

If u have the goods and I personally believe we do— what other goal can u possibly have

Just win baby

Okay Briggs, I'm genuinely interested. I admit I'm 'championship or a demonstrative improvement over last season would be a reasonable and acceptable outcome.'

So how do people who watch the games on TV become 'championship or bust'?

Do I hold the remote differently?

Should I order wings instead of pizza on Doordash?

Do I have to take notes during the Wally Wall?

I'm really asking, how does this edict affect guys on their couch like you and me?

LOL, good point.
I spent 3 grand on a new TV last season. I have not one but two 15 inch subs fine tuned each with 1000watts of power to give me the low with accuracy when the crowd stomps its feet!
I have the subs attached to an EQ just for the low end.
Committed? Need I concave my home theater ceiling with Pinwheel design to replicate the garden. Then pretend to kick out Oak and spike when im grumpy?
What more can I do? Tell me, how can I go all in like Briggs? What can I do to replicate the plastic wisdom of 1248 other than rant on a NYC street corner to myself in a replica Danny Whalen top?
What Golden Mooby can I bow down before to demonstrate my fandom?

What French slang can you learn to keep that depth of the dearly departed long armed defensive yoot dream alive?
What flavor of Montana based wowie must you keep in your hospitality bowls on game night get togethers to allow everyone to see the beauty of Thib's version of Zen?
How many Steve Mills prayer candles must you light at once to attain the proper soft edges on the new TV picture?
How far can you tune the bass distortion so Randle hitting the floor after a no-call provides the appropriate thunder?

You can practice 29 foot pull up threes until your shoulders are out of joint, ala JRSmiff.

You can shoot 3000 jumpers a day, like Allonzo Trier.

You can try to get your hairline even with the rim, like Scooby Obi.

Everyone's got an angle. Fanatics have goals to root for. Casual, erudite fans have vague interests and pointed opinions, sometimes appearing pseudo-intellectual sports analysis on an internet forum. Which are fun to read and respond to.

Neither are practical applications to the actual team's performance.

Let's not worry so much about unmet expectations, shall we? Fear the blasé instead.

Steve Mills was fired for our sins!!!!
Briggs basically said "I am a better fan than anyone who accepts less than a chip!!!"

Two things here:

1. We all accept it, as the last 20 years demonstrates. He's not actually going to do anything if they don't.

2. What it probably is is an excuse to whine, complain, and hand-wring if the team isn't standing toe-to-toe with the Nets during the year.

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You play to win the game”

If u have the goods and I personally believe we do— what other goal can u possibly have

Just win baby

Okay Briggs, I'm genuinely interested. I admit I'm 'championship or a demonstrative improvement over last season would be a reasonable and acceptable outcome.'

So how do people who watch the games on TV become 'championship or bust'?

Do I hold the remote differently?

Should I order wings instead of pizza on Doordash?

Do I have to take notes during the Wally Wall?

I'm really asking, how does this edict affect guys on their couch like you and me?

My goal for teams I believe can win are championship or bust. It’s pretty simple. I want the Knicks to win a championship— nothing less will suffice. I hope each player has the same mentality.Knicks fans ARE USED to losing. We were a championship or bust team in the 90s. If u have the true goods to win a championship— that’s your only goal. What can I do as a fan watch every game root the players on and hope they can do it.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You play to win the game”

If u have the goods and I personally believe we do— what other goal can u possibly have

Just win baby

Okay Briggs, I'm genuinely interested. I admit I'm 'championship or a demonstrative improvement over last season would be a reasonable and acceptable outcome.'

So how do people who watch the games on TV become 'championship or bust'?

Do I hold the remote differently?

Should I order wings instead of pizza on Doordash?

Do I have to take notes during the Wally Wall?

I'm really asking, how does this edict affect guys on their couch like you and me?

My goal for teams I believe can win are championship or bust. It’s pretty simple. I want the Knicks to win a championship— nothing less will suffice.

But that's the point.

ANYTHING less WILL suffice, including not making the playoffs at all.
.
If the Knicks lose in the second round or qualify for the lottery, you're not going to do anything different next offseason or next season.

"Fans" talk about how things are "unacceptable" or "won't suffice" yet at the end of the day they don't actually do anything different than than fans who don't use those words when something unacceptable or insufficient happens.

Because those words have actual meanings.

This is like Michael Scott saying "I declare bankruptcy. You use them in a meaningless way. They have no effect, weight, or consequence.

Right? Correct if if I'm wrong when I assume when you say something won't suffice it won't actually change anything.

I'm listening.

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You play to win the game”

If u have the goods and I personally believe we do— what other goal can u possibly have

Just win baby

Okay Briggs, I'm genuinely interested. I admit I'm 'championship or a demonstrative improvement over last season would be a reasonable and acceptable outcome.'

So how do people who watch the games on TV become 'championship or bust'?

Do I hold the remote differently?

Should I order wings instead of pizza on Doordash?

Do I have to take notes during the Wally Wall?

I'm really asking, how does this edict affect guys on their couch like you and me?

My goal for teams I believe can win are championship or bust. It’s pretty simple. I want the Knicks to win a championship— nothing less will suffice.

But that's the point.

ANYTHING less WILL suffice, including not making the playoffs at all.
.
If the Knicks lose in the second round or qualify for the lottery, you're not going to do anything different next offseason or next season.

"Fans" talk about how things are "unacceptable" or "won't suffice" yet at the end of the day they don't actually do anything different than than fans who don't use those words when something unacceptable or insufficient happens.

Because those words have actual meanings.

This is like Michael Scott saying "I declare bankruptcy. You use them in a meaningless way. They have no effect, weight, or consequence.

Right? Correct if if I'm wrong when I assume when you say something won't suffice it won't actually change anything.

I'm listening.

The worlds not gonna stop if we don’t win!
But as far as I’m concerned my only goal with this years Knick team is to win the chip. I realistically feel we have many needed components so that is the only goal. It’s not a bad thing.As a fan as a player as a coach I’m sure u want to set a high standard of a goal of winning a chip if u feel u can.

Why can’t we be this years Phoenix suns?

I’m not exactly sure what your point is? I fully understand that my personal goal of the Knicks winning has absolute no meaning to the rest of the world—- yes I have no value? lol

God bless Giannis for breaking the LeBron，Kawhi，Curry 9 year monopoly on the trophy.

Knickoftime wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Let the balloon go, and just embrace being wrong. It's really not a good look this way.
What's the practical application of petulance?

Concerning yourself with a "look" on a message board with strangers isn't a good look.

But since it's something you consider, what kind of a look s harboring an exchange from 4 years ago that you don't even remember correctly?

I'd have a hard time imaging that's a good look either.

This from someone doing semantic hopscotch over another stranger's level of fandom on a message board.

And it's not a matter of remembering it correctly; the exchange is there in living color, you can go look at it yourself, if you think things were actually different. Or don't, as you maintain, since it doesn't really matter.

Go Knicks, get the chip or we all die (metaphysically) --- goal, dream, wish with a deadline, whatever.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You play to win the game”

If u have the goods and I personally believe we do— what other goal can u possibly have

Just win baby

Okay Briggs, I'm genuinely interested. I admit I'm 'championship or a demonstrative improvement over last season would be a reasonable and acceptable outcome.'

So how do people who watch the games on TV become 'championship or bust'?

Do I hold the remote differently?

Should I order wings instead of pizza on Doordash?

Do I have to take notes during the Wally Wall?

I'm really asking, how does this edict affect guys on their couch like you and me?

My goal for teams I believe can win are championship or bust. It’s pretty simple. I want the Knicks to win a championship— nothing less will suffice.

But that's the point.

ANYTHING less WILL suffice, including not making the playoffs at all.
.
If the Knicks lose in the second round or qualify for the lottery, you're not going to do anything different next offseason or next season.

"Fans" talk about how things are "unacceptable" or "won't suffice" yet at the end of the day they don't actually do anything different than than fans who don't use those words when something unacceptable or insufficient happens.

Because those words have actual meanings.

This is like Michael Scott saying "I declare bankruptcy. You use them in a meaningless way. They have no effect, weight, or consequence.

Right? Correct if if I'm wrong when I assume when you say something won't suffice it won't actually change anything.

I'm listening.

The worlds not gonna stop if we don’t win!
But as far as I’m concerned my only goal with this years Knick team is to win the chip. I realistically feel we have many needed components so that is the only goal. It’s not a bad thing.As a fan as a player as a coach I’m sure u want to set a high standard of a goal of winning a chip if u feel u can.

Why can’t we be this years Phoenix suns?

I’m not exactly sure what your point is? I fully understand that my personal goal of the Knicks winning has absolute no meaning to the rest of the world—- yes I have no value? lol

“Don’t stop believing……hold on to that feeling”

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You play to win the game”

If u have the goods and I personally believe we do— what other goal can u possibly have

Just win baby

Okay Briggs, I'm genuinely interested. I admit I'm 'championship or a demonstrative improvement over last season would be a reasonable and acceptable outcome.'

So how do people who watch the games on TV become 'championship or bust'?

Do I hold the remote differently?

Should I order wings instead of pizza on Doordash?

Do I have to take notes during the Wally Wall?

I'm really asking, how does this edict affect guys on their couch like you and me?

My goal for teams I believe can win are championship or bust. It’s pretty simple. I want the Knicks to win a championship— nothing less will suffice.

But that's the point.

ANYTHING less WILL suffice, including not making the playoffs at all.
.
If the Knicks lose in the second round or qualify for the lottery, you're not going to do anything different next offseason or next season.

"Fans" talk about how things are "unacceptable" or "won't suffice" yet at the end of the day they don't actually do anything different than than fans who don't use those words when something unacceptable or insufficient happens.

Because those words have actual meanings.

This is like Michael Scott saying "I declare bankruptcy. You use them in a meaningless way. They have no effect, weight, or consequence.

Right? Correct if if I'm wrong when I assume when you say something won't suffice it won't actually change anything.

I'm listening.

The worlds not gonna stop if we don’t win!
But as far as I’m concerned my only goal with this years Knick team is to win the chip. I realistically feel we have many needed components so that is the only goal. It’s not a bad thing.As a fan as a player as a coach I’m sure u want to set a high standard of a goal of winning a chip if u feel u can.

Why can’t we be this years Phoenix suns?

I’m not exactly sure what your point is? I fully understand that my personal goal of the Knicks winning has absolute no meaning to the rest of the world—- yes I have no value? lol

I'll say again...

There's a difference between a goal and a wish. A goal requires action.

I've asked a simple question: What is that action?

The question is neither complicated nor unreasonable to ask since you started a thread on it in a public forum to volunteer this information.

What are you DOING differently given the alternative is "bust" and/or what will you do differently in the likely event they "bust?"

Pretty straightforward.

jrodmc wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Let the balloon go, and just embrace being wrong. It's really not a good look this way.
What's the practical application of petulance?

Concerning yourself with a "look" on a message board with strangers isn't a good look.

But since it's something you consider, what kind of a look s harboring an exchange from 4 years ago that you don't even remember correctly?

I'd have a hard time imaging that's a good look either.

This from someone doing semantic hopscotch over another stranger's level of fandom on a message board.

And it's not a matter of remembering it correctly; the exchange is there in living color, you can go look at it yourself, if you think things were actually different. Or don't, as you maintain, since it doesn't really matter.

Go Knicks, get the chip or we all die (metaphysically) --- goal, dream, wish with a deadline, whatever.

Again, my question is both simple and fair. No sure why the consternation.

I don't think the exchange went differently. Objectively the exchange went differently. Somehow you didn't and apparently still don't grasp the concept of looking at a team's draft pick (who's still around, btw) not with a guarantee he was a starter-level NFL QB, but just to see what he was... in an objectively lost season, at the objectively definitive end to Manning's career.

You appear to still confuse that with statement or prediction about the player's ability.

And no, it doesn't matter. But you bringing it up and arguing what you brought up doesn't matter is on you.

Not a good look, as you say.

Knickoftime wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Let the balloon go, and just embrace being wrong. It's really not a good look this way.
What's the practical application of petulance?

Concerning yourself with a "look" on a message board with strangers isn't a good look.

But since it's something you consider, what kind of a look s harboring an exchange from 4 years ago that you don't even remember correctly?

I'd have a hard time imaging that's a good look either.

This from someone doing semantic hopscotch over another stranger's level of fandom on a message board.

And it's not a matter of remembering it correctly; the exchange is there in living color, you can go look at it yourself, if you think things were actually different. Or don't, as you maintain, since it doesn't really matter.

Go Knicks, get the chip or we all die (metaphysically) --- goal, dream, wish with a deadline, whatever.

Again, my question is both simple and fair. No sure why the consternation.

I don't think the exchange went differently. Objectively the exchange went differently. Somehow you didn't and apparently still don't grasp the concept of looking at a team's draft pick (who's still around, btw) not with a guarantee he was a starter-level NFL QB, but just to see what he was... in an objectively lost season, at the objectively definitive end to Manning's career.

You appear to still confuse that with statement or prediction about the player's ability.

And no, it doesn't matter. But you bringing it up and arguing what you brought up doesn't matter is on you.

Not a good look, as you say.

But your questions are not only not simple and not fair, they're circular. But you seem to enjoy this self-serving cycle of pointless logic, so have at it.

The whole exchange was about who was going to start at QB and you clearly rested your fabulous conceptual understanding on one backup player over the incumbent. You ended up being wrong, but are now shrouding it in all sorts of flotsam instead of just admitting being wrong. Really, it's okay. It's also mildly amusing.

No biggie. Enjoy your goals and wishes. Peace.

jrodmc wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Let the balloon go, and just embrace being wrong. It's really not a good look this way.
What's the practical application of petulance?

Concerning yourself with a "look" on a message board with strangers isn't a good look.

But since it's something you consider, what kind of a look s harboring an exchange from 4 years ago that you don't even remember correctly?

I'd have a hard time imaging that's a good look either.

This from someone doing semantic hopscotch over another stranger's level of fandom on a message board.

And it's not a matter of remembering it correctly; the exchange is there in living color, you can go look at it yourself, if you think things were actually different. Or don't, as you maintain, since it doesn't really matter.

Go Knicks, get the chip or we all die (metaphysically) --- goal, dream, wish with a deadline, whatever.

Again, my question is both simple and fair. No sure why the consternation.

I don't think the exchange went differently. Objectively the exchange went differently. Somehow you didn't and apparently still don't grasp the concept of looking at a team's draft pick (who's still around, btw) not with a guarantee he was a starter-level NFL QB, but just to see what he was... in an objectively lost season, at the objectively definitive end to Manning's career.

You appear to still confuse that with statement or prediction about the player's ability.

And no, it doesn't matter. But you bringing it up and arguing what you brought up doesn't matter is on you.

Not a good look, as you say.

Can't say I saw this turning into a 48-month old revenge fantasy thread, but here we are...

Hey, I'm not even near consternated. See the smilies?

I don't. I see the most common of internet behavior. Someone trying really, really hard to affect a happy-go-lucky air thinking it provides a rhetorical upper hand.

In good faith - nobody cares.

But your questions are not only not simple and not fair, they're circular. But you seem to enjoy this self-serving cycle of pointless logic, so have at it.

They're the opposite of circular. The responses have been. Asking what "...or bust" means that it required a new thread couldn't be a simpler, straighter line.

The whole exchange was about who was going to start at QB and you clearly rested your fabulous conceptual understanding on one backup player over the incumbent. You ended up being wrong, but are now shrouding it in all sorts of flotsam instead of just admitting being wrong. Really, it's okay. It's also mildly amusing.

No biggie. Enjoy your goals and wishes. Peace.

Continues to argue the point while continuing to trying to convince nobody that cares that you're not invested in the point you're continuing to argue.

In other words, welcome to the internet.

That said, you playing advocate for a guy who thought wanting his favorite sports team to have a good year was a worthwhile topic for a new thread kind of makes sense.

Knickoftime wrote:

They're the opposite of circular. The responses have been. Asking what ";...or bust"means that it required a new thread couldn't be a simpler, straighter line.

The whole exchange was about who was going to start at QB and you clearly rested your fabulous conceptual understanding on one backup player over the incumbent. You ended up being wrong, but are now shrouding it in all sorts of flotsam instead of just admitting being wrong. Really, it's okay. It's also mildly amusing.

No biggie. Enjoy your goals and wishes. Peace.

Continues to argue the point while continuing to trying to convince nobody that cares that you're not invested in the point you're continuing to argue.

In other words, welcome to the internet.

That said, you playing advocate for a guy who thought wanting his favorite sports team to have a good year was a worthwhile topic for a new thread kind of makes sense.

Dude, or bust, it's an expression. Understood that there's a difference between a goal and a wish, but you come to a sports fan site to act the semantics snob and feel you are right about something? If you want to get technical write a Letter to the Editors at the Economist where not getting a cargo ship stuck in the Suez Canal should be a goal, not a wish, and you'll find an appropriate audience for your superior grasp of syntax.
And if you hadn't been debating the literal meaning of "bust", this"new thread" that wound your panties into a knot would have died after 3 posts.

Vmart wrote:Briggs is right anything less than a championship is a failure. Of course there are such things as incremental growth in talent and things like that to consider. But the main reason for players is to compete for a championship. And for fans it’s having a team that competes for a championship and sets it as their goal.

These guys are paid quite well. 29 teams don’t win a chip ever year. I won’t say winning is not important. Winning is also making it to the NBA. Winning is also EARNING a long term contract and the prestige of being an NBA player. Winning is earning MVP, allstar honors, and pulling your family out of poverty. Is guys like Barkely, stockton, Malone or Ewing “losers” because fans label them incomplete for not winning a chip? I agree its the fans thing but players compete to succeed and that has other measures besides the fan’s label.