Knicks · Championship or bust (page 3)

Vmart wrote:Briggs is right anything less than a championship is a failure. Of course there are such things as incremental growth in talent and things like that to consider. But the main reason for players is to compete for a championship. And for fans it’s having a team that competes for a championship and sets it as their goal.

These guys are paid quite well. 29 teams don’t win a chip ever year. I won’t say winning is not important. Winning is also making it to the NBA. Winning is also EARNING a long term contract and the prestige of being an NBA player. Winning is earning MVP, allstar honors, and pulling your family out of poverty. Is guys like Barkely, stockton, Malone or Ewing “losers” because fans label them incomplete for not winning a chip? I agree its the fans thing but players compete to succeed and that has other measures besides the fan’s label.

Vmart wrote:Briggs is right anything less than a championship is a failure. Of course there are such things as incremental growth in talent and things like that to consider. But the main reason for players is to compete for a championship. And for fans it’s having a team that competes for a championship and sets it as their goal.

I appreciate the actual response to the topic.

Here's the problem, aside from the fact any knowledgable NBA fan knows champions NEVER skip the line, that they ALWAYS follow a progression of postseason experience an success, and to suggest the Knicks are now ready to win a championship demonstrates ignorance of those things...

But that's not even the point really.

If anything less than a championship is failure then ALL of US, accept and enable failure EVERY year - for some of us ALL of our lives for a few of us, most of our lives.

So my underlying point still stands - what is the actual application of this "champion or bust" outlook when history proves it's absolutely nothing whatsoever?

And what is the point of declaration when NONE of us - including Briggs - actually walk the walk, even a little bit, and that anyone who claims to be championship or bust are liars and/or hypocrites?

Panos wrote:Dude, or bust, it's an expression. Understood that there's a difference between a goal and a wish, but you come to a sports fan site to act the semantics snob and feel you are right about something?

My reply was an absurd, semi-sarcastic response to a notion Briggs intentionally sought public response to.

Some of you guys seem to have a bigger issue with this all than I do.

And if you hadn't been debating the literal meaning of "bust", this"new thread" that wound your panties into a knot would have died after 3 posts.

Haven't been debating the meaning of bust. I know what it means. I've asked how it applies.

If any of your guys just responded honestly - 'it doesn't ... of course it doesn't' rather than trying to rationalize it, then this post thread would be dead.

But you arguing it would have died after 3 posts had I not responded pretty much indicates what you think of the OP - dead on arrival.

So ... yeah.

Knickoftime wrote:

Vmart wrote:Briggs is right anything less than a championship is a failure. Of course there are such things as incremental growth in talent and things like that to consider. But the main reason for players is to compete for a championship. And for fans it’s having a team that competes for a championship and sets it as their goal.

I appreciate the actual response to the topic.

Here's the problem, aside from the fact any knowledgable NBA fan knows champions NEVER skip the line, that they ALWAYS follow a progression of postseason experience an success, and to suggest the Knicks are now ready to win a championship demonstrates ignorance of those things...

But that's not even the point really.

If anything less than a championship is failure then ALL of US, accept and enable failure EVERY year - for some of us ALL of our lives for a few of us, most of our lives.

So my underlying point still stands - what is the actual application of this "champion or bust" outlook when history proves it's absolutely nothing whatsoever?

And what is the point of declaration when NONE of us - including Briggs - actually walk the walk, even a little bit, and that anyone who claims to be championship or bust are liars and/or hypocrites?

This is irrelevant rant. What u talkin bout Willis?

My personal opinion is IF the team is good enough to win— the only goal is to do just that! I don’t care what you think or what type of fan you are. Go tell Steve Mills he did a god awful job with his turn at the helm if you don’t mind

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:Briggs is right anything less than a championship is a failure. Of course there are such things as incremental growth in talent and things like that to consider. But the main reason for players is to compete for a championship. And for fans it’s having a team that competes for a championship and sets it as their goal.

These guys are paid quite well. 29 teams don’t win a chip ever year. I won’t say winning is not important. Winning is also making it to the NBA. Winning is also EARNING a long term contract and the prestige of being an NBA player. Winning is earning MVP, allstar honors, and pulling your family out of poverty. Is guys like Barkely, stockton, Malone or Ewing “losers” because fans label them incomplete for not winning a chip? I agree its the fans thing but players compete to succeed and that has other measures besides the fan’s label.

And I'll say again... it's not even REALLY a fans label. That's the point.

Any Yankees fan (for example) who says the 2021 season is "unacceptable" and a "failure" and then spends the winter fixated on the 2022 season and then shows up opening say is a liar and a blowhard.

Saying that part out loud shouldn't cause so much grief.

I know from experience some "fans" really do take their "standards" seriously and legitimately resent the teams they follow for not having the same standards.

And by objective definition they'e full of shit.

Just sayin...

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Vmart wrote:Briggs is right anything less than a championship is a failure. Of course there are such things as incremental growth in talent and things like that to consider. But the main reason for players is to compete for a championship. And for fans it’s having a team that competes for a championship and sets it as their goal.

I appreciate the actual response to the topic.

Here's the problem, aside from the fact any knowledgable NBA fan knows champions NEVER skip the line, that they ALWAYS follow a progression of postseason experience an success, and to suggest the Knicks are now ready to win a championship demonstrates ignorance of those things...

But that's not even the point really.

If anything less than a championship is failure then ALL of US, accept and enable failure EVERY year - for some of us ALL of our lives for a few of us, most of our lives.

So my underlying point still stands - what is the actual application of this "champion or bust" outlook when history proves it's absolutely nothing whatsoever?

And what is the point of declaration when NONE of us - including Briggs - actually walk the walk, even a little bit, and that anyone who claims to be championship or bust are liars and/or hypocrites?

This is irrelevant rant. What u talkin bout Willis?

My personal opinion is IF the team is good enough to win— the only goal is to do just that! I don’t care what you think or what type of fan you are. Go tell Steve Mills he did a god awful job with his turn at the helm if you don’t mind

Great.

What are YOU going to DO if they don't reach that goal?

You and I both know the answer is nothing whatsoever. That's what really makes you and I and everyone else the same exact "kind of fan."

There isn't any debate here. It's not about what I THINK.

It's a simply statement of fact. The Knicks almost certainly WILL bust by this standard and you'll accept it like you always do.

Right?

Just win

BRIGGS wrote:

Just win

or what?

Why can't you answer that question?

BRIGGS wrote:

Thank you Briggs.

Your doubling down and obvious pride in your empty, weightless, consequence-less rhetoric that makes you feel superior is making the point better than I ever could.