collectively and individually, there isn't an exceptional amount of talent. We have a lot of nice players, but there isn't that impact talent, and unless we get lucky and everyone tries really hard, we're not winning games.
It's an effort team, not one that wins with talent.
As nice as it is to be competitive, I don't see how you get this franchise to the next level.
Yep, its a .500 team. Its a Deep team with a lot of solid players but no top tier talent. Our entire starting lineup looks like shit
Impossible, we started 5 - 1. Lets keep doing the same thing we been doing. It will work.
Jmpasq wrote:Yep, its a .500 team. Its a Deep team with a lot of solid players but no top tier talent. Our entire starting lineup looks like shit
Starting unit is inconsistent on offense. Lacks defensive energy; since nobody is a natural playmaker in the starting unit, the result is indecisive offense, low efficiency, high turnovers, low defensive IQ. All you have to do against us is swing the ball 2 or 3 times and someone will be open from 3. RJ contently cheats off his man, just to watch him drain a 3. Randle must be on a lot of highlights, because he’s always getting cross up. EF looks like a bad mix for that starting unit. He might play better off the bench along with Rose. Seems like Rose is our best player and the 2nd unit plays with the right kind of energy and chemistry the starting unit only wish they had.
The only way Kemba thinks about turning this around is to shoot more 3s. While Randle thinks is good for the team to shoot less shots. He had like 2 pts during the first half and wasn’t even looking to score. EF handles is weaker than I thought. RJ needs 4 shooters around him to be effective…otherwise he’s only scoring on fast breaks. Everybody’s jumper is too inconsistent. Kemba, ER, Randle and RJ. Mitch isn’t a threat on offense, so his many can play help defense.
I think thibs should start the 2nd unit and see if the starters can come off the bench with better energy.
And i think i want to take back anything nice i said about Fournier. And for the record, I really wanted to sign Ball in the off season- our team would look so different with him vs. the pieces we added. Miss by Rose & the FO.
Knicks are a good second tier team just like last season. Our shooting has improved but our defense is not as good. Our only shot is we continue to be competitive and eventually luck into a superstar deciding to come here same like what happened to the Nets
Outside the box ways to significantly improve this team include trading Randle and Mitch
franco12 wrote:And i think i want to take back anything nice i said about Fournier. And for the record, I really wanted to sign Ball in the off season- our team would look so different with him vs. the pieces we added. Miss by Rose & the FO.
Zach Lavine is available next offseason
Likely we are, as most people thought but seem to have forgotten lately, a 40-something win team (though at the moment our starting lineup is playing like a team of 40-somethings)- anything up on that is dependent on the development of RJ, Mitch, IQ and Toppin (or maybe McBride or Grimes get an opportunity and shine). There are no short cuts. If we do worse, or under achieve this season, then fortunately we have our first round pick- the east is so stack, just a few wins/loses could be the difference between the play-ins and a high lottery pick- it's not a bad place to be in.
Philc1 wrote:franco12 wrote:And i think i want to take back anything nice i said about Fournier. And for the record, I really wanted to sign Ball in the off season- our team would look so different with him vs. the pieces we added. Miss by Rose & the FO.
Zach Lavine is available next offseason
He's 100% signing an extension
martin wrote:
Is this based on the 42.5 expected wins for us? Which we're at now but based on our play of late, I don't know that we will be able to maintain middling performance.
franco12 wrote:martin wrote:
Is this based on the 42.5 expected wins for us? Which we're at now but based on our play of late, I don't know that we will be able to maintain middling performance.
We have games against Houston and the Magic coming up. I hate to say it after the way we started the season, but these could be benchmark games. We are not good enough right now to overlook any team
There’s also a ton of parity in the nba this year. There’s only a few “elite” teams (Warriors, Suns, Bucks, Nets) and like 25 teams hovering between 35-45 wins
Injuries.
Philly was top of the conference for what seems like two minutes ago. They start 0 of their starters now. Nobody's talking about Boston or Toronto.
So who you got?
Bucks, who are sophomore slumping with the trophy. Sheehit, we beat them.
Nets...please. They are one KD tendon strain away from pure mediocrity and some new Harden strip club backpage. They are at where they are now from beating up on shit.
Hornets, their 6'7" pg leads the team in rebounding. Not very scary. Nothing personal, but I can't be overly afraid of a team who's major contributor is a Plumlee.
Wiz, they scare me precisely because they are not scary.
Heat, I hate them. I have nightmares about Jimmy Butler and Herro-ball and I wish Riley would brain fart his way into trading us Bam for some stupid reason.
Bulls, they may end up the cream of the conference. I've been impressed since pre-season.
That leaves us precisely where we were last season: 4th seed. That was good last year. If it comes true, would make us even better this year.
jrodmc wrote:Injuries. Philly was top of the conference for what seems like two minutes ago. They start 0 of their starters now. Nobody's talking about Boston or Toronto.
So who you got?
Bucks, who are sophomore slumping with the trophy. Sheehit, we beat them.
Nets...please. They are one KD tendon strain away from pure mediocrity and some new Harden strip club backpage. They are at where they are now from beating up on shit.
Hornets, their 6'7" pg leads the team in rebounding. Not very scary. Nothing personal, but I can't be overly afraid of a team who's major contributor is a Plumlee.
Wiz, they scare me precisely because they are not scary.
Heat, I hate them. I have nightmares about Jimmy Butler and Herro-ball and I wish Riley would brain fart his way into trading us Bam for some stupid reason.
Bulls, they may end up the cream of the conference. I've been impressed since pre-season.
That leaves us precisely where we were last season: 4th seed. That was good last year. If it comes true, would make us even better this year.
A lot of fans are going to start panicking next week or two as we go several games below .500 due to the schedule. The Knick hating media will pile on
We are still finishing between the 4th and 8th seed in the East.
franco12 wrote:And i think i want to take back anything nice i said about Fournier. And for the record, I really wanted to sign Ball in the off season- our team would look so different with him vs. the pieces we added. Miss by Rose & the FO.
Ball sucks!
This team will put it together and these bell weather fans will eat crow.
Tibs need to find better balance between seniority and performance.
He is very conservative... sometimes to the fault.
So the inconsistent performance during regular season is expected.
I guess no team in the East is simply "NOT GOOD".
Because after 20 games NY is only a whopping 1.5 games back of 2nd place.
"Simply not good" my ass.
NYKMentality wrote:I guess no team in the East is simply "NOT GOOD". Because after 20 games NY is only a whopping 1.5 games back of 2nd place.
"Simply not good" my ass.
Math. 2 games. But thats splitting hairs. But your all good after a win?
BTW, two games over .500 puts us at 45-46 games. About the same as last year.
ONly thing your point tells us without “It” teams we have a chance. But the suck-a-tude that surrounds us does not really make us better does it? If your in the top tier in the dummy school class, you are not elite. If you are avg in the AP classes, your still far ahead of the “sweathogs”.
After 20 games, you can’t call it yet. I know you like to craw out of you hole after wins and warp narratives to suite your enthusiasm, and its admirable, but really most of us don’t care how others are doing. If we were good, we’d have a better record than those TEAMS YOU JUSt MENITIONED. We are 8-8 vs the teams in our converence. 3-1 in our division. We are 7-5 vs teams over .500. 4-4 teams below.
20 games way to early to call it.
We started 5-1. I think the “Not good” is since then we are 6-8. ITs not terrible, but its not good.
Nalod not complaining. I predicted 47 wins, 7th seed. We tracking near that in wins and at 7th spot. Don’t mean shit, still 62 games left.
Bing Bong.
NYKMentality wrote:I guess no team in the East is simply "NOT GOOD". Because after 20 games NY is only a whopping 1.5 games back of 2nd place.
"Simply not good" my ass.
This is around a 45 win team bro. Be happy with that after the dark depressing Isiah/Phil years when we couldn’t even crack 30 wins in a season
franco12 wrote:collectively and individually, there isn't an exceptional amount of talent. We have a lot of nice players, but there isn't that impact talent, and unless we get lucky and everyone tries really hard, we're not winning games.It's an effort team, not one that wins with talent.
As nice as it is to be competitive, I don't see how you get this franchise to the next level.
The only ones that are disappointed so far are the ones that had unrealistic expectations. Especially with a tough East. We have a good team. We have capable vets that have yet to play their best. We have a good second unit and some good young pieces. We are in seventh with just 3 games in the loss column behind first. We just have to give this team to gel and I think we will surprise the naysayers. The thing I like is that, unlike past years, where we had overachievers or fan hopefuls with no history of performing at high levels, we now have guys that are solid NBA players with a proven history. We just need some patience. Would like to know which games, besides the Orlando games, did fans think we had locked up?
