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blkexec wrote:Knixkik wrote:This team is losing close games to good teams. Obviously beat a good team in Atlanta. Why is it assumed that as soon as we bench Kemba we are suddenly going to beat the beat teams in the East ? The margin of error is so small. The problem is 2 losses this season to Orlando, etc. We lose 1 possession games to great teams because we aren’t a team capable of doing more right now.We can’t start games and can’t close games. Moving Burks to the SL was supposed to help in those areas. But the elephant in the room is Randle. He hasn’t proved to be a closer you can depend on due to his tunnel vision and high TOs. So until Randle and Thibs address the elephant, we will continue to be mediocre. This team needs a trade in the worse way. Randle can’t be the only player we depend on to close out games. We need another closer. Is it RJ? I don’t know. But Randle alone ain’t working. And Randle needs to accept that he’s not ready to be the main closer in the 4th. Has to be a team effort. I just don’t trust thibs offensive team strategies. Mediocrity at its best. I guess playing with out a crowd vs with a crowd makes a difference. I hope Randle proves me wrong. But if I’m building this team, I would do my best to add a star that Randle can play with and doesn’t mind giving up the ball. I saw in crunch time Randle was trying to give the ball to quick and quick wasn’t ready for that roll. We don’t have a lot of options when it comes to closing out close games. We need to fix that or there’s no point in trying to make the playoffs, just to get knocked out 1st round.
Randle needs a PG that can command the offense. Randle's problem has always been and still is the fact he handles the ball too often. He had 7 turnovers yesterday. Is that indicative of him not being able to handle the ball or of a team that does not have a PG controlling the ball? In terms of closers, I feel the best closing teams have a GO TO guy which Randle is but they also have several guys that are not afraid to take big shots and can make them. Think we have that in Burks, EF, RJ, IQ. Think that we are missing that elite PG. Which was the reason why I thought Kemba would help. However, it was obvious that Kemba either HAD to defer to Randle (Thibs offense) or did not have the alpha leader mentality needed as a true PG to make that happen. Think CP3 was the one to go after. Do not see many true PGs out there even close to him.
Btw, biggest jinx thread ever! Please lock! 
HofstraBBall wrote:blkexec wrote:Knixkik wrote:This team is losing close games to good teams. Obviously beat a good team in Atlanta. Why is it assumed that as soon as we bench Kemba we are suddenly going to beat the beat teams in the East ? The margin of error is so small. The problem is 2 losses this season to Orlando, etc. We lose 1 possession games to great teams because we aren’t a team capable of doing more right now.We can’t start games and can’t close games. Moving Burks to the SL was supposed to help in those areas. But the elephant in the room is Randle. He hasn’t proved to be a closer you can depend on due to his tunnel vision and high TOs. So until Randle and Thibs address the elephant, we will continue to be mediocre. This team needs a trade in the worse way. Randle can’t be the only player we depend on to close out games. We need another closer. Is it RJ? I don’t know. But Randle alone ain’t working. And Randle needs to accept that he’s not ready to be the main closer in the 4th. Has to be a team effort. I just don’t trust thibs offensive team strategies. Mediocrity at its best. I guess playing with out a crowd vs with a crowd makes a difference. I hope Randle proves me wrong. But if I’m building this team, I would do my best to add a star that Randle can play with and doesn’t mind giving up the ball. I saw in crunch time Randle was trying to give the ball to quick and quick wasn’t ready for that roll. We don’t have a lot of options when it comes to closing out close games. We need to fix that or there’s no point in trying to make the playoffs, just to get knocked out 1st round.
Randle needs a PG that can command the offense. Randle's problem has always been and still is the fact he handles the ball too often. He had 7 turnovers yesterday. Is that indicative of him not being able to handle the ball or of a team that does not have a PG controlling the ball? In terms of closers, I feel the best closing teams have a GO TO guy which Randle is but they also have several guys that are not afraid to take big shots and can make them. Think we have that in Burks, EF, RJ, IQ. Think that we are missing that elite PG. Which was the reason why I thought Kemba would help. However, it was obvious that Kemba either HAD to defer to Randle (Thibs offense) or did not have the alpha leader mentality needed as a true PG to make that happen. Think CP3 was the one to go after. Do not see many true PGs out there even close to him.
Btw, biggest jinx thread ever! Please lock!
Yes, please lock. Since Briggs started this thread, we've been on a good run. Running str8 into the ground. lol
Washington Wizards is one team I can think of, that uses a team approach to finish games, eventhough they have Beal. And it seems to work for them. I have XM radio and they was a topic of discussion. But I agree, all teams need to have a go to guy to close out games. And Randle can be that guy. But history is not his friend and he has been in several situations where he came up short in crunch time. His 4th quarter numbers tends to fall off. Randle is a 3 quarters players. In the 4th quarter, I rather have a more efficient closer, who's not a hot head. Randle is so emotional and passionate, his passion and energy can sometimes get in the way of his efficiency / TO's.
I think the problem is players defer to Randle way too much. That speaks volumes about his leadership style and how people naturally follow him. So it will take more than a young PG. Randle needs a CP3 alpha male type PG or player. Someone who's not afraid to look Randle off or redirect Randle into a better position. And I don't see anybody close to that right now, that Randle wouldn't mind sharing the wheel to close out games.
Westbrook comes to mind, as far as having an alpha male who would not defer to Randle, Lebron or anybody. I know, I know, knick fans don't like him. And just watching him with the Lakers, his shooting is awful and I remember saying I don't like him. But he has that alpha type personality that would not defer to Randle every position. Paul George is another person that comes to mind, after reading this 3 team trade rumor, PG is a possibility, if the rumor is true. But there aren't too many alpha type options out there, which is why I always felt it's difficult to build a championship team around Randle. Unless you bring in a top 10 talent, like the lakers did when they traded for AD. Randle needs one of those top alpha dogs to play with. Otherwise, these young guys we have will just defer, whenever Randle is on the court.
blkexec wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:blkexec wrote:Knixkik wrote:This team is losing close games to good teams. Obviously beat a good team in Atlanta. Why is it assumed that as soon as we bench Kemba we are suddenly going to beat the beat teams in the East ? The margin of error is so small. The problem is 2 losses this season to Orlando, etc. We lose 1 possession games to great teams because we aren’t a team capable of doing more right now.We can’t start games and can’t close games. Moving Burks to the SL was supposed to help in those areas. But the elephant in the room is Randle. He hasn’t proved to be a closer you can depend on due to his tunnel vision and high TOs. So until Randle and Thibs address the elephant, we will continue to be mediocre. This team needs a trade in the worse way. Randle can’t be the only player we depend on to close out games. We need another closer. Is it RJ? I don’t know. But Randle alone ain’t working. And Randle needs to accept that he’s not ready to be the main closer in the 4th. Has to be a team effort. I just don’t trust thibs offensive team strategies. Mediocrity at its best. I guess playing with out a crowd vs with a crowd makes a difference. I hope Randle proves me wrong. But if I’m building this team, I would do my best to add a star that Randle can play with and doesn’t mind giving up the ball. I saw in crunch time Randle was trying to give the ball to quick and quick wasn’t ready for that roll. We don’t have a lot of options when it comes to closing out close games. We need to fix that or there’s no point in trying to make the playoffs, just to get knocked out 1st round.
Randle needs a PG that can command the offense. Randle's problem has always been and still is the fact he handles the ball too often. He had 7 turnovers yesterday. Is that indicative of him not being able to handle the ball or of a team that does not have a PG controlling the ball? In terms of closers, I feel the best closing teams have a GO TO guy which Randle is but they also have several guys that are not afraid to take big shots and can make them. Think we have that in Burks, EF, RJ, IQ. Think that we are missing that elite PG. Which was the reason why I thought Kemba would help. However, it was obvious that Kemba either HAD to defer to Randle (Thibs offense) or did not have the alpha leader mentality needed as a true PG to make that happen. Think CP3 was the one to go after. Do not see many true PGs out there even close to him.
Btw, biggest jinx thread ever! Please lock!
Yes, please lock. Since Briggs started this thread, we've been on a good run. Running str8 into the ground. lol
Washington Wizards is one team I can think of, that uses a team approach to finish games, eventhough they have Beal. And it seems to work for them. I have XM radio and they was a topic of discussion. But I agree, all teams need to have a go to guy to close out games. And Randle can be that guy. But history is not his friend and he has been in several situations where he came up short in crunch time. His 4th quarter numbers tends to fall off. Randle is a 3 quarters players. In the 4th quarter, I rather have a more efficient closer, who's not a hot head. Randle is so emotional and passionate, his passion and energy can sometimes get in the way of his efficiency / TO's.
I think the problem is players defer to Randle way too much. That speaks volumes about his leadership style and how people naturally follow him. So it will take more than a young PG. Randle needs a CP3 alpha male type PG or player. Someone who's not afraid to look Randle off or redirect Randle into a better position. And I don't see anybody close to that right now, that Randle wouldn't mind sharing the wheel to close out games.
Westbrook comes to mind, as far as having an alpha male who would not defer to Randle, Lebron or anybody. I know, I know, knick fans don't like him. And just watching him with the Lakers, his shooting is awful and I remember saying I don't like him. But he has that alpha type personality that would not defer to Randle every position. Paul George is another person that comes to mind, after reading this 3 team trade rumor, PG is a possibility, if the rumor is true. But there aren't too many alpha type options out there, which is why I always felt it's difficult to build a championship team around Randle. Unless you bring in a top 10 talent, like the lakers did when they traded for AD. Randle needs one of those top alpha dogs to play with. Otherwise, these young guys we have will just defer, whenever Randle is on the court.
What fans do like Westbrook? He's an empty calorie stat stuffer and now he's on the down side of his athleticism.
I don't get the pro psyche sometimes. Someone that gifted can't spend a few months each year working on simple things like 3 pt shooting, moving without the ball, setting off ball screens, defense, etc. It's not like he's not capable.
I cannot even imagine what would we have to part with to get PG.
blkexec wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:blkexec wrote:Knixkik wrote:This team is losing close games to good teams. Obviously beat a good team in Atlanta. Why is it assumed that as soon as we bench Kemba we are suddenly going to beat the beat teams in the East ? The margin of error is so small. The problem is 2 losses this season to Orlando, etc. We lose 1 possession games to great teams because we aren’t a team capable of doing more right now.We can’t start games and can’t close games. Moving Burks to the SL was supposed to help in those areas. But the elephant in the room is Randle. He hasn’t proved to be a closer you can depend on due to his tunnel vision and high TOs. So until Randle and Thibs address the elephant, we will continue to be mediocre. This team needs a trade in the worse way. Randle can’t be the only player we depend on to close out games. We need another closer. Is it RJ? I don’t know. But Randle alone ain’t working. And Randle needs to accept that he’s not ready to be the main closer in the 4th. Has to be a team effort. I just don’t trust thibs offensive team strategies. Mediocrity at its best. I guess playing with out a crowd vs with a crowd makes a difference. I hope Randle proves me wrong. But if I’m building this team, I would do my best to add a star that Randle can play with and doesn’t mind giving up the ball. I saw in crunch time Randle was trying to give the ball to quick and quick wasn’t ready for that roll. We don’t have a lot of options when it comes to closing out close games. We need to fix that or there’s no point in trying to make the playoffs, just to get knocked out 1st round.
Randle needs a PG that can command the offense. Randle's problem has always been and still is the fact he handles the ball too often. He had 7 turnovers yesterday. Is that indicative of him not being able to handle the ball or of a team that does not have a PG controlling the ball? In terms of closers, I feel the best closing teams have a GO TO guy which Randle is but they also have several guys that are not afraid to take big shots and can make them. Think we have that in Burks, EF, RJ, IQ. Think that we are missing that elite PG. Which was the reason why I thought Kemba would help. However, it was obvious that Kemba either HAD to defer to Randle (Thibs offense) or did not have the alpha leader mentality needed as a true PG to make that happen. Think CP3 was the one to go after. Do not see many true PGs out there even close to him.
Btw, biggest jinx thread ever! Please lock!
Yes, please lock. Since Briggs started this thread, we've been on a good run. Running str8 into the ground. lol
Washington Wizards is one team I can think of, that uses a team approach to finish games, eventhough they have Beal. And it seems to work for them. I have XM radio and they was a topic of discussion. But I agree, all teams need to have a go to guy to close out games. And Randle can be that guy. But history is not his friend and he has been in several situations where he came up short in crunch time. His 4th quarter numbers tends to fall off. Randle is a 3 quarters players. In the 4th quarter, I rather have a more efficient closer, who's not a hot head. Randle is so emotional and passionate, his passion and energy can sometimes get in the way of his efficiency / TO's.
I think the problem is players defer to Randle way too much. That speaks volumes about his leadership style and how people naturally follow him. So it will take more than a young PG. Randle needs a CP3 alpha male type PG or player. Someone who's not afraid to look Randle off or redirect Randle into a better position. And I don't see anybody close to that right now, that Randle wouldn't mind sharing the wheel to close out games.
Westbrook comes to mind, as far as having an alpha male who would not defer to Randle, Lebron or anybody. I know, I know, knick fans don't like him. And just watching him with the Lakers, his shooting is awful and I remember saying I don't like him. But he has that alpha type personality that would not defer to Randle every position. Paul George is another person that comes to mind, after reading this 3 team trade rumor, PG is a possibility, if the rumor is true. But there aren't too many alpha type options out there, which is why I always felt it's difficult to build a championship team around Randle. Unless you bring in a top 10 talent, like the lakers did when they traded for AD. Randle needs one of those top alpha dogs to play with. Otherwise, these young guys we have will just defer, whenever Randle is on the court.
I agree with your assessment but don't want to get locked into Westbrook contract at his age and cost. He does have the alpha mentality and would probably be available from the Lakers. And you're right there aren't many available alpha's (like CP3) that can right this ship at the moment.
What I'm concerned about is I think we will also lose RJ in a year or so to either FA or a trade demand if we keep going the way we are going. Rose brought in two new deficient defensive players which impacted RJ's remaining space (Randle still focal point). I think RJ has the closest to an alpha mentality, but he's still young and needs to improve to command the respect needed to lead a successful team.
I just hope we move on from Randle sooner than later - even if it means we regress this season. Going all in for Lillard would mortgage much of our future potential (RJ, Toppin, IQ) and don't think Lillard with Randle gets any further than Lillar w/McCollum and the rest of the Trailblazers.
I would trade Randle, #1 and filler for PG in a heartbeat - he at least plays both sides, has leadership ability and wouldn't clog the paint.
jrodmc wrote:blkexec wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:blkexec wrote:Knixkik wrote:This team is losing close games to good teams. Obviously beat a good team in Atlanta. Why is it assumed that as soon as we bench Kemba we are suddenly going to beat the beat teams in the East ? The margin of error is so small. The problem is 2 losses this season to Orlando, etc. We lose 1 possession games to great teams because we aren’t a team capable of doing more right now.We can’t start games and can’t close games. Moving Burks to the SL was supposed to help in those areas. But the elephant in the room is Randle. He hasn’t proved to be a closer you can depend on due to his tunnel vision and high TOs. So until Randle and Thibs address the elephant, we will continue to be mediocre. This team needs a trade in the worse way. Randle can’t be the only player we depend on to close out games. We need another closer. Is it RJ? I don’t know. But Randle alone ain’t working. And Randle needs to accept that he’s not ready to be the main closer in the 4th. Has to be a team effort. I just don’t trust thibs offensive team strategies. Mediocrity at its best. I guess playing with out a crowd vs with a crowd makes a difference. I hope Randle proves me wrong. But if I’m building this team, I would do my best to add a star that Randle can play with and doesn’t mind giving up the ball. I saw in crunch time Randle was trying to give the ball to quick and quick wasn’t ready for that roll. We don’t have a lot of options when it comes to closing out close games. We need to fix that or there’s no point in trying to make the playoffs, just to get knocked out 1st round.
Randle needs a PG that can command the offense. Randle's problem has always been and still is the fact he handles the ball too often. He had 7 turnovers yesterday. Is that indicative of him not being able to handle the ball or of a team that does not have a PG controlling the ball? In terms of closers, I feel the best closing teams have a GO TO guy which Randle is but they also have several guys that are not afraid to take big shots and can make them. Think we have that in Burks, EF, RJ, IQ. Think that we are missing that elite PG. Which was the reason why I thought Kemba would help. However, it was obvious that Kemba either HAD to defer to Randle (Thibs offense) or did not have the alpha leader mentality needed as a true PG to make that happen. Think CP3 was the one to go after. Do not see many true PGs out there even close to him.
Btw, biggest jinx thread ever! Please lock!
Yes, please lock. Since Briggs started this thread, we've been on a good run. Running str8 into the ground. lol
Washington Wizards is one team I can think of, that uses a team approach to finish games, eventhough they have Beal. And it seems to work for them. I have XM radio and they was a topic of discussion. But I agree, all teams need to have a go to guy to close out games. And Randle can be that guy. But history is not his friend and he has been in several situations where he came up short in crunch time. His 4th quarter numbers tends to fall off. Randle is a 3 quarters players. In the 4th quarter, I rather have a more efficient closer, who's not a hot head. Randle is so emotional and passionate, his passion and energy can sometimes get in the way of his efficiency / TO's.
I think the problem is players defer to Randle way too much. That speaks volumes about his leadership style and how people naturally follow him. So it will take more than a young PG. Randle needs a CP3 alpha male type PG or player. Someone who's not afraid to look Randle off or redirect Randle into a better position. And I don't see anybody close to that right now, that Randle wouldn't mind sharing the wheel to close out games.
Westbrook comes to mind, as far as having an alpha male who would not defer to Randle, Lebron or anybody. I know, I know, knick fans don't like him. And just watching him with the Lakers, his shooting is awful and I remember saying I don't like him. But he has that alpha type personality that would not defer to Randle every position. Paul George is another person that comes to mind, after reading this 3 team trade rumor, PG is a possibility, if the rumor is true. But there aren't too many alpha type options out there, which is why I always felt it's difficult to build a championship team around Randle. Unless you bring in a top 10 talent, like the lakers did when they traded for AD. Randle needs one of those top alpha dogs to play with. Otherwise, these young guys we have will just defer, whenever Randle is on the court.
What fans do like Westbrook? He's an empty calorie stat stuffer and now he's on the down side of his athleticism.I don't get the pro psyche sometimes. Someone that gifted can't spend a few months each year working on simple things like 3 pt shooting, moving without the ball, setting off ball screens, defense, etc. It's not like he's not capable.
I cannot even imagine what would we have to part with to get PG.
The problem with guys like Westbrook is that it's tough to convince someone who has been so impactful for their career that they need to change. The truly great ones are guys who do add to their games each year. But how do you convince guys like Westbrook and Shaq that a jumper is what they really need when their shooting insane percentages st the rim? What do you expect them to do when they try, but aren't starting off as effective and the fans) coaches tell them to stick with what they do best!
jrodmc wrote:blkexec wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:blkexec wrote:Knixkik wrote:This team is losing close games to good teams. Obviously beat a good team in Atlanta. Why is it assumed that as soon as we bench Kemba we are suddenly going to beat the beat teams in the East ? The margin of error is so small. The problem is 2 losses this season to Orlando, etc. We lose 1 possession games to great teams because we aren’t a team capable of doing more right now.We can’t start games and can’t close games. Moving Burks to the SL was supposed to help in those areas. But the elephant in the room is Randle. He hasn’t proved to be a closer you can depend on due to his tunnel vision and high TOs. So until Randle and Thibs address the elephant, we will continue to be mediocre. This team needs a trade in the worse way. Randle can’t be the only player we depend on to close out games. We need another closer. Is it RJ? I don’t know. But Randle alone ain’t working. And Randle needs to accept that he’s not ready to be the main closer in the 4th. Has to be a team effort. I just don’t trust thibs offensive team strategies. Mediocrity at its best. I guess playing with out a crowd vs with a crowd makes a difference. I hope Randle proves me wrong. But if I’m building this team, I would do my best to add a star that Randle can play with and doesn’t mind giving up the ball. I saw in crunch time Randle was trying to give the ball to quick and quick wasn’t ready for that roll. We don’t have a lot of options when it comes to closing out close games. We need to fix that or there’s no point in trying to make the playoffs, just to get knocked out 1st round.
Randle needs a PG that can command the offense. Randle's problem has always been and still is the fact he handles the ball too often. He had 7 turnovers yesterday. Is that indicative of him not being able to handle the ball or of a team that does not have a PG controlling the ball? In terms of closers, I feel the best closing teams have a GO TO guy which Randle is but they also have several guys that are not afraid to take big shots and can make them. Think we have that in Burks, EF, RJ, IQ. Think that we are missing that elite PG. Which was the reason why I thought Kemba would help. However, it was obvious that Kemba either HAD to defer to Randle (Thibs offense) or did not have the alpha leader mentality needed as a true PG to make that happen. Think CP3 was the one to go after. Do not see many true PGs out there even close to him.
Btw, biggest jinx thread ever! Please lock!
Yes, please lock. Since Briggs started this thread, we've been on a good run. Running str8 into the ground. lol
Washington Wizards is one team I can think of, that uses a team approach to finish games, eventhough they have Beal. And it seems to work for them. I have XM radio and they was a topic of discussion. But I agree, all teams need to have a go to guy to close out games. And Randle can be that guy. But history is not his friend and he has been in several situations where he came up short in crunch time. His 4th quarter numbers tends to fall off. Randle is a 3 quarters players. In the 4th quarter, I rather have a more efficient closer, who's not a hot head. Randle is so emotional and passionate, his passion and energy can sometimes get in the way of his efficiency / TO's.
I think the problem is players defer to Randle way too much. That speaks volumes about his leadership style and how people naturally follow him. So it will take more than a young PG. Randle needs a CP3 alpha male type PG or player. Someone who's not afraid to look Randle off or redirect Randle into a better position. And I don't see anybody close to that right now, that Randle wouldn't mind sharing the wheel to close out games.
Westbrook comes to mind, as far as having an alpha male who would not defer to Randle, Lebron or anybody. I know, I know, knick fans don't like him. And just watching him with the Lakers, his shooting is awful and I remember saying I don't like him. But he has that alpha type personality that would not defer to Randle every position. Paul George is another person that comes to mind, after reading this 3 team trade rumor, PG is a possibility, if the rumor is true. But there aren't too many alpha type options out there, which is why I always felt it's difficult to build a championship team around Randle. Unless you bring in a top 10 talent, like the lakers did when they traded for AD. Randle needs one of those top alpha dogs to play with. Otherwise, these young guys we have will just defer, whenever Randle is on the court.
What fans do like Westbrook? He's an empty calorie stat stuffer and now he's on the down side of his athleticism.I don't get the pro psyche sometimes. Someone that gifted can't spend a few months each year working on simple things like 3 pt shooting, moving without the ball, setting off ball screens, defense, etc. It's not like he's not capable.
I cannot even imagine what would we have to part with to get PG.
Westbrook can stil play and only has 2 years left on his deal. He and Lebron aren’t good together so he will be available and is the slashing zone destroying pg we need
Philc1 wrote:jrodmc wrote:blkexec wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:blkexec wrote:Knixkik wrote:This team is losing close games to good teams. Obviously beat a good team in Atlanta. Why is it assumed that as soon as we bench Kemba we are suddenly going to beat the beat teams in the East ? The margin of error is so small. The problem is 2 losses this season to Orlando, etc. We lose 1 possession games to great teams because we aren’t a team capable of doing more right now.We can’t start games and can’t close games. Moving Burks to the SL was supposed to help in those areas. But the elephant in the room is Randle. He hasn’t proved to be a closer you can depend on due to his tunnel vision and high TOs. So until Randle and Thibs address the elephant, we will continue to be mediocre. This team needs a trade in the worse way. Randle can’t be the only player we depend on to close out games. We need another closer. Is it RJ? I don’t know. But Randle alone ain’t working. And Randle needs to accept that he’s not ready to be the main closer in the 4th. Has to be a team effort. I just don’t trust thibs offensive team strategies. Mediocrity at its best. I guess playing with out a crowd vs with a crowd makes a difference. I hope Randle proves me wrong. But if I’m building this team, I would do my best to add a star that Randle can play with and doesn’t mind giving up the ball. I saw in crunch time Randle was trying to give the ball to quick and quick wasn’t ready for that roll. We don’t have a lot of options when it comes to closing out close games. We need to fix that or there’s no point in trying to make the playoffs, just to get knocked out 1st round.
Randle needs a PG that can command the offense. Randle's problem has always been and still is the fact he handles the ball too often. He had 7 turnovers yesterday. Is that indicative of him not being able to handle the ball or of a team that does not have a PG controlling the ball? In terms of closers, I feel the best closing teams have a GO TO guy which Randle is but they also have several guys that are not afraid to take big shots and can make them. Think we have that in Burks, EF, RJ, IQ. Think that we are missing that elite PG. Which was the reason why I thought Kemba would help. However, it was obvious that Kemba either HAD to defer to Randle (Thibs offense) or did not have the alpha leader mentality needed as a true PG to make that happen. Think CP3 was the one to go after. Do not see many true PGs out there even close to him.
Btw, biggest jinx thread ever! Please lock!
Yes, please lock. Since Briggs started this thread, we've been on a good run. Running str8 into the ground. lol
Washington Wizards is one team I can think of, that uses a team approach to finish games, eventhough they have Beal. And it seems to work for them. I have XM radio and they was a topic of discussion. But I agree, all teams need to have a go to guy to close out games. And Randle can be that guy. But history is not his friend and he has been in several situations where he came up short in crunch time. His 4th quarter numbers tends to fall off. Randle is a 3 quarters players. In the 4th quarter, I rather have a more efficient closer, who's not a hot head. Randle is so emotional and passionate, his passion and energy can sometimes get in the way of his efficiency / TO's.
I think the problem is players defer to Randle way too much. That speaks volumes about his leadership style and how people naturally follow him. So it will take more than a young PG. Randle needs a CP3 alpha male type PG or player. Someone who's not afraid to look Randle off or redirect Randle into a better position. And I don't see anybody close to that right now, that Randle wouldn't mind sharing the wheel to close out games.
Westbrook comes to mind, as far as having an alpha male who would not defer to Randle, Lebron or anybody. I know, I know, knick fans don't like him. And just watching him with the Lakers, his shooting is awful and I remember saying I don't like him. But he has that alpha type personality that would not defer to Randle every position. Paul George is another person that comes to mind, after reading this 3 team trade rumor, PG is a possibility, if the rumor is true. But there aren't too many alpha type options out there, which is why I always felt it's difficult to build a championship team around Randle. Unless you bring in a top 10 talent, like the lakers did when they traded for AD. Randle needs one of those top alpha dogs to play with. Otherwise, these young guys we have will just defer, whenever Randle is on the court.
What fans do like Westbrook? He's an empty calorie stat stuffer and now he's on the down side of his athleticism.I don't get the pro psyche sometimes. Someone that gifted can't spend a few months each year working on simple things like 3 pt shooting, moving without the ball, setting off ball screens, defense, etc. It's not like he's not capable.
I cannot even imagine what would we have to part with to get PG.
Westbrook can stil play and only has 2 years left on his deal. He and Lebron aren’t good together so he will be available and is the slashing zone destroying pg we need
Randle has the same Role as LBJ, so how would WB he fit well here
knicks1248 wrote:Philc1 wrote:jrodmc wrote:blkexec wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:blkexec wrote:Knixkik wrote:This team is losing close games to good teams. Obviously beat a good team in Atlanta. Why is it assumed that as soon as we bench Kemba we are suddenly going to beat the beat teams in the East ? The margin of error is so small. The problem is 2 losses this season to Orlando, etc. We lose 1 possession games to great teams because we aren’t a team capable of doing more right now.We can’t start games and can’t close games. Moving Burks to the SL was supposed to help in those areas. But the elephant in the room is Randle. He hasn’t proved to be a closer you can depend on due to his tunnel vision and high TOs. So until Randle and Thibs address the elephant, we will continue to be mediocre. This team needs a trade in the worse way. Randle can’t be the only player we depend on to close out games. We need another closer. Is it RJ? I don’t know. But Randle alone ain’t working. And Randle needs to accept that he’s not ready to be the main closer in the 4th. Has to be a team effort. I just don’t trust thibs offensive team strategies. Mediocrity at its best. I guess playing with out a crowd vs with a crowd makes a difference. I hope Randle proves me wrong. But if I’m building this team, I would do my best to add a star that Randle can play with and doesn’t mind giving up the ball. I saw in crunch time Randle was trying to give the ball to quick and quick wasn’t ready for that roll. We don’t have a lot of options when it comes to closing out close games. We need to fix that or there’s no point in trying to make the playoffs, just to get knocked out 1st round.
Randle needs a PG that can command the offense. Randle's problem has always been and still is the fact he handles the ball too often. He had 7 turnovers yesterday. Is that indicative of him not being able to handle the ball or of a team that does not have a PG controlling the ball? In terms of closers, I feel the best closing teams have a GO TO guy which Randle is but they also have several guys that are not afraid to take big shots and can make them. Think we have that in Burks, EF, RJ, IQ. Think that we are missing that elite PG. Which was the reason why I thought Kemba would help. However, it was obvious that Kemba either HAD to defer to Randle (Thibs offense) or did not have the alpha leader mentality needed as a true PG to make that happen. Think CP3 was the one to go after. Do not see many true PGs out there even close to him.
Btw, biggest jinx thread ever! Please lock!
Yes, please lock. Since Briggs started this thread, we've been on a good run. Running str8 into the ground. lol
Washington Wizards is one team I can think of, that uses a team approach to finish games, eventhough they have Beal. And it seems to work for them. I have XM radio and they was a topic of discussion. But I agree, all teams need to have a go to guy to close out games. And Randle can be that guy. But history is not his friend and he has been in several situations where he came up short in crunch time. His 4th quarter numbers tends to fall off. Randle is a 3 quarters players. In the 4th quarter, I rather have a more efficient closer, who's not a hot head. Randle is so emotional and passionate, his passion and energy can sometimes get in the way of his efficiency / TO's.
I think the problem is players defer to Randle way too much. That speaks volumes about his leadership style and how people naturally follow him. So it will take more than a young PG. Randle needs a CP3 alpha male type PG or player. Someone who's not afraid to look Randle off or redirect Randle into a better position. And I don't see anybody close to that right now, that Randle wouldn't mind sharing the wheel to close out games.
Westbrook comes to mind, as far as having an alpha male who would not defer to Randle, Lebron or anybody. I know, I know, knick fans don't like him. And just watching him with the Lakers, his shooting is awful and I remember saying I don't like him. But he has that alpha type personality that would not defer to Randle every position. Paul George is another person that comes to mind, after reading this 3 team trade rumor, PG is a possibility, if the rumor is true. But there aren't too many alpha type options out there, which is why I always felt it's difficult to build a championship team around Randle. Unless you bring in a top 10 talent, like the lakers did when they traded for AD. Randle needs one of those top alpha dogs to play with. Otherwise, these young guys we have will just defer, whenever Randle is on the court.
What fans do like Westbrook? He's an empty calorie stat stuffer and now he's on the down side of his athleticism.I don't get the pro psyche sometimes. Someone that gifted can't spend a few months each year working on simple things like 3 pt shooting, moving without the ball, setting off ball screens, defense, etc. It's not like he's not capable.
I cannot even imagine what would we have to part with to get PG.
Westbrook can stil play and only has 2 years left on his deal. He and Lebron aren’t good together so he will be available and is the slashing zone destroying pg we need
Randle has the same Role as LBJ, so how would WB he fit well here
No he doesn’t. Yes Randle likes to bring up the ball but he primarily wants to get the ball and do his ISO stuff. Randle is actually more like Carmelo. Lebron is really a pg who brings up the ball and distributes that’s he and Westbrook are a bad match
