knicks1248 wrote:Philc1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Philc1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:jrodmc wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:franco12 wrote:pjrodmc wrote:Because with the way Randle is hustling lately, people like Jokic will be scoring 64 points in three quarters, and Thibs will keep getting ejected from every game until Jimmy steps in and fires him. I'm in no big rush to see Johnny Bryant's head coaching chops.
here maybe is the thing- you put him at the 5 spot, I think maybe it is a way to call him out and give him a way to re-invigorate himself and the team.
Maybe his role needs to be reinvented for him to get interested again. Maybe he is sleepwalking cause his bored, his not thinking. Maybe its the dose of cold water for his malaise.
It's not just the man to man defense. Julius has been horrible as a help defender. You put him on the back line and it would be a disaster. The only way it would help the team improve it's defense on the three point line is that teams will figure out that they can shoot 70% at the rim instead.
+1
And I don't get the answer being to push him to watch star centers and others have career evenings against him in order for him to re-invent himself and wake the fuhuck up.
Maybe Thibs takes him out of the rotation next. 
That would wake him up.
Please name me 5 centers in the east that are better than Randle with the exception of embiid?
Centers don't have to guard mitch, they double Randle every time he touches the rock in the paint, and stay with in arms length of mitch
The problem is we have no rim protection if Randle plays C. He’s a 6’9 PF with a low center of gravity. Randle has some length but not anything like Mitch or Noel
Earlier this season in a game we lost(think it was one of the Magic losses) Thibs went with a small lineup with Randle at C and it was a disaster. The opposing players were able to drive to the basket or post up no problem
I’ve never liked Centers 6’9 or below. I still have PTSD from watching Scott Layden and Isiah try to sell us on Kurt Thomas as a C in the early 2000’s
So you thinks it's best to keep a center planted in the paint that can barely rebound even though he spends 90% of his time on the floor under the basket, A center who prevents his own teammates from driving to the basket, a center that barely draws attention from opposing defenses, a center that avgs .04 assist.
Maybe you forgot that before Mitch got hurt and gain weight, it was reckless foul machine
No one really “plants in the paint” anymore thanks to defensive 3 seconds rule (which is a dumb rule that’s ruined the game). Defense first Centers like Mitch, Noel and Gibson have to be able defend in space in the perimeter as well as block shots and rebound in the paint
Mitch’s issue this year is he has lost some mobility due to injury issues and some weight gain.
That said Randle simply is not a C, he’s only 6’9 (really 6’8). He and Obi together is an ok lineup for the offense plus Obi is closer to an actual Center
Randle does everything better than mitch beside block 1.7 shot per game
Yeah, including standing around on D. Oh yeah, and whining at the refs when it's been pointless for two years.
First off - Mitch is either hurt, out of shape or weighs too much and is body hasn't adjusted. Either way we don't have the luxury to rest him with Noel and Taj being a grandpa (good one :)
2-1 without Mitch doesn't tell us anything. Need at least 10-12 games and then you have to look at other variables (lineups, opposition).
To play center at 6'8" - you either need above athleticism (eg Kenyon Martin), length (Camby) or quickness to offer any rim protection - Randle has little to none of these qualities and has a hard enough time playing defense alongside Mitch (who covers for him and the rest)
Lastly - if Randle is our PG/C and dribbles up, posts up - who rebounds all his misses? He is our leading shot taker and Mitch at least offered some rebounds in his absence? RJ is probably our 2nd best rebounder after Randle (sans a real C).
Not a Randle fan - but Mitch has helped Randle's play and effectiveness. It would be worse without him or Noel or somebody over 6'9" playing next to him.
knicks1248 wrote:He may not be the Shot blocker mitch is, but i don't see any center (out side of Embiid) that he can't handle.There used to be a time when certain teams would play 3 guards, now more and more teams play 4 guards,
The bulls/suns/GSW/Bucks/Nets (all on top the conference) play 4 guards on a regular, none of those teams have a defensive shot blocking center....Maybe Ayton on the suns, but he's not really known for his defense.
The NBA is a switch heavy defense and Thibs talked about that when he benched Kemba.
Why keep trotting out this slow as line up that can't keep up with the switch...
How many times did we see Lonzo ball guarding Randle, or any guard for the matter,
Then you see his teammates try and get him the ball for the mismatch, then randle tries to bully his way in the paint backing them down for 10 seconds while every one stands around....then bitch when he doesn't get the call for over powering them
Embiid would crush Randle - he's slower, less athletic and shorter. There is nothing Randle offers that could help defend Embiid. Mitch at least bulked up and is athletically quick with good instincts (and he can't really stop him).
GS gets away with it at times because Green is one of the best defenders in the league and his sole focus is defense. Randle takes breaks on defense so he can play Iso-ball on offense. Would not work.
knicks1248 wrote:jrodmc wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:franco12 wrote:pjrodmc wrote:Because with the way Randle is hustling lately, people like Jokic will be scoring 64 points in three quarters, and Thibs will keep getting ejected from every game until Jimmy steps in and fires him. I'm in no big rush to see Johnny Bryant's head coaching chops.
here maybe is the thing- you put him at the 5 spot, I think maybe it is a way to call him out and give him a way to re-invigorate himself and the team.
Maybe his role needs to be reinvented for him to get interested again. Maybe he is sleepwalking cause his bored, his not thinking. Maybe its the dose of cold water for his malaise.
It's not just the man to man defense. Julius has been horrible as a help defender. You put him on the back line and it would be a disaster. The only way it would help the team improve it's defense on the three point line is that teams will figure out that they can shoot 70% at the rim instead.
+1
And I don't get the answer being to push him to watch star centers and others have career evenings against him in order for him to re-invent himself and wake the fuhuck up.
Maybe Thibs takes him out of the rotation next. That would wake him up.
Please name me 5 centers in the east that are better than Randle with the exception of embiid?
Centers don't have to guard mitch, they double Randle every time he touches the rock in the paint, and stay with in arms length of mitch
It's not just centers as an individual matchup - Noel/Mitch play cleanup and deter the wings from coming through the lane, switch out on the lobs, etc
Rim protecting Centers cause opposing players to change their shot mid-drive or mid-jumper which usually causes them to brick. That never shows up in a statbox
Philc1 wrote:Rim protecting Centers cause opposing players to change their shot mid-drive or mid-jumper which usually causes them to brick. That never shows up in a statbox
yeah but it effects opposing players and your own teammates
knicks1248 wrote:He may not be the Shot blocker mitch is, but i don't see any center (out side of Embiid) that he can't handle.There used to be a time when certain teams would play 3 guards, now more and more teams play 4 guards,
The bulls/suns/GSW/Bucks/Nets (all on top the conference) play 4 guards on a regular, none of those teams have a defensive shot blocking center....Maybe Ayton on the suns, but he's not really known for his defense.
The NBA is a switch heavy defense and Thibs talked about that when he benched Kemba.
Why keep trotting out this slow as line up that can't keep up with the switch...
How many times did we see Lonzo ball guarding Randle, or any guard for the matter,
Then you see his teammates try and get him the ball for the mismatch, then randle tries to bully his way in the paint backing them down for 10 seconds while every one stands around....then bitch when he doesn't get the call for over powering them
So Randle plays center during the game, depending on thibs rotation and health. So if Randle hasn’t shown any significant impact on the team when he plays center during the game, what makes you think Randle would improve as a starter? From what we know of thibs, when something works he sticks to it. If Randle at center worked, Randle would be playing more center and eventually start at center. But thibs is not like new school coaches will to do create unconventional lineups. Thibs comes from an era where the center is key to every team. And the center is the defensive enforcer. Randle is not that as a center or PF. He’s an offensive player that plays defense sometimes.
knicks1248 wrote:Robinson said “stamina” is an issue. “I’m getting tired real quick,” he added. “After six, seven minutes, it’s boom, I’m gassed.”
and he is hopping on an exercise bike for 15 minutes after the game! Really?
blkexec wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He may not be the Shot blocker mitch is, but i don't see any center (out side of Embiid) that he can't handle.There used to be a time when certain teams would play 3 guards, now more and more teams play 4 guards,
The bulls/suns/GSW/Bucks/Nets (all on top the conference) play 4 guards on a regular, none of those teams have a defensive shot blocking center....Maybe Ayton on the suns, but he's not really known for his defense.
The NBA is a switch heavy defense and Thibs talked about that when he benched Kemba.
Why keep trotting out this slow as line up that can't keep up with the switch...
How many times did we see Lonzo ball guarding Randle, or any guard for the matter,
Then you see his teammates try and get him the ball for the mismatch, then randle tries to bully his way in the paint backing them down for 10 seconds while every one stands around....then bitch when he doesn't get the call for over powering them
So Randle plays center during the game, depending on thibs rotation and health. So if Randle hasn’t shown any significant impact on the team when he plays center during the game, what makes you think Randle would improve as a starter? From what we know of thibs, when something works he sticks to it. If Randle at center worked, Randle would be playing more center and eventually start at center. But thibs is not like new school coaches will to do create unconventional lineups. Thibs comes from an era where the center is key to every team. And the center is the defensive enforcer. Randle is not that as a center or PF. He’s an offensive player that plays defense sometimes.
Randle does everything for this team
Nobody on this roster plays any lock down defense for 48 min, not even Mitch.
But your right, THIBS will live and die with a rim protector regardless of how bad he is at every other aspect of the game.
The 1st place GSW is one of the NBA's best defensive teams (holding opponents to 42% fg) and best offensive team, they have 6 9" Kevin Looney as there starting center.
You know why they are the best defensive team, it's because they have a bunch of wings that fit there defensive scheme and Draymond communicating on every possession.
Mitch our suppose anchor on defense is completely a MUTE on defense.
Would you trade Looney for Mitch, I could assure you GSW would pass on that trade, even without Wiseman
knicks1248 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Rim protecting Centers cause opposing players to change their shot mid-drive or mid-jumper which usually causes them to brick. That never shows up in a statbox
yeah but it effects opposing players and your own teammates
Huh?
Randle is not a Center. Even he himself would readily say that
knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He may not be the Shot blocker mitch is, but i don't see any center (out side of Embiid) that he can't handle.There used to be a time when certain teams would play 3 guards, now more and more teams play 4 guards,
The bulls/suns/GSW/Bucks/Nets (all on top the conference) play 4 guards on a regular, none of those teams have a defensive shot blocking center....Maybe Ayton on the suns, but he's not really known for his defense.
The NBA is a switch heavy defense and Thibs talked about that when he benched Kemba.
Why keep trotting out this slow as line up that can't keep up with the switch...
How many times did we see Lonzo ball guarding Randle, or any guard for the matter,
Then you see his teammates try and get him the ball for the mismatch, then randle tries to bully his way in the paint backing them down for 10 seconds while every one stands around....then bitch when he doesn't get the call for over powering them
So Randle plays center during the game, depending on thibs rotation and health. So if Randle hasn’t shown any significant impact on the team when he plays center during the game, what makes you think Randle would improve as a starter? From what we know of thibs, when something works he sticks to it. If Randle at center worked, Randle would be playing more center and eventually start at center. But thibs is not like new school coaches will to do create unconventional lineups. Thibs comes from an era where the center is key to every team. And the center is the defensive enforcer. Randle is not that as a center or PF. He’s an offensive player that plays defense sometimes.
Randle does everything for this team
Nobody on this roster plays any lock down defense for 48 min, not even Mitch.But your right, THIBS will live and die with a rim protector regardless of how bad he is at every other aspect of the game.
The 1st place GSW is one of the NBA's best defensive teams (holding opponents to 42% fg) and best offensive team, they have 6 9" Kevin Looney as there starting center.
You know why they are the best defensive team, it's because they have a bunch of wings that fit there defensive scheme and Draymond communicating on every possession.
Mitch our suppose anchor on defense is completely a MUTE on defense.
Would you trade Looney for Mitch, I could assure you GSW would pass on that trade, even without Wiseman
and the most efficient offense is anchored by Rudy Gobert. Looney has Draymond. Looney has a 7'4 wingspan. Who else is on the team? oh, that guy and some really good others. I Really, thats your arguement? Looney this season avg 17min a game? thats your deep analysis advance metrics argument? Not PHX? Not UTah? What is GSW doing the other 29 minutes when Looney is not on the court?
Mitch is working his conditioning with world class trainers. We really suppose to know how to better get him back in shape after an 8 month layoff?
Nalod wrote:knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:knicks1248 wrote:He may not be the Shot blocker mitch is, but i don't see any center (out side of Embiid) that he can't handle.There used to be a time when certain teams would play 3 guards, now more and more teams play 4 guards,
The bulls/suns/GSW/Bucks/Nets (all on top the conference) play 4 guards on a regular, none of those teams have a defensive shot blocking center....Maybe Ayton on the suns, but he's not really known for his defense.
The NBA is a switch heavy defense and Thibs talked about that when he benched Kemba.
Why keep trotting out this slow as line up that can't keep up with the switch...
How many times did we see Lonzo ball guarding Randle, or any guard for the matter,
Then you see his teammates try and get him the ball for the mismatch, then randle tries to bully his way in the paint backing them down for 10 seconds while every one stands around....then bitch when he doesn't get the call for over powering them
So Randle plays center during the game, depending on thibs rotation and health. So if Randle hasn’t shown any significant impact on the team when he plays center during the game, what makes you think Randle would improve as a starter? From what we know of thibs, when something works he sticks to it. If Randle at center worked, Randle would be playing more center and eventually start at center. But thibs is not like new school coaches will to do create unconventional lineups. Thibs comes from an era where the center is key to every team. And the center is the defensive enforcer. Randle is not that as a center or PF. He’s an offensive player that plays defense sometimes.
Randle does everything for this team
Nobody on this roster plays any lock down defense for 48 min, not even Mitch.But your right, THIBS will live and die with a rim protector regardless of how bad he is at every other aspect of the game.
The 1st place GSW is one of the NBA's best defensive teams (holding opponents to 42% fg) and best offensive team, they have 6 9" Kevin Looney as there starting center.
You know why they are the best defensive team, it's because they have a bunch of wings that fit there defensive scheme and Draymond communicating on every possession.
Mitch our suppose anchor on defense is completely a MUTE on defense.
Would you trade Looney for Mitch, I could assure you GSW would pass on that trade, even without Wiseman
and the most efficient offense is anchored by Rudy Gobert. Looney has Draymond. Looney has a 7'4 wingspan. Who else is on the team? oh, that guy and some really good others. I Really, thats your arguement? Looney this season avg 17min a game? thats your deep analysis advance metrics argument? Not PHX? Not UTah? What is GSW doing the other 29 minutes when Looney is not on the court?
Mitch is working his conditioning with world class trainers. We really suppose to know how to better get him back in shape after an 8 month layoff?
Definitely not. Every world class trainer worth their salt agrees that the best way to get in shape for a basketball player is to ride the bike for 15 mins after games
Philc1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Rim protecting Centers cause opposing players to change their shot mid-drive or mid-jumper which usually causes them to brick. That never shows up in a statbox
yeah but it effects opposing players and your own teammates
Huh?
Randle is not a Center. Even he himself would readily say that
you acting as if he's going up against Shaq, Ewing, Hakeem, Robinson, Mchale..
Like 75% of centers in the NBA are face up jump shooters,
But let me asked you this
If Randle played Mitch 1 on 1 who you putting your $$$ on?
knicks1248 wrote:Philc1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Rim protecting Centers cause opposing players to change their shot mid-drive or mid-jumper which usually causes them to brick. That never shows up in a statbox
yeah but it effects opposing players and your own teammates
Huh?
Randle is not a Center. Even he himself would readily say that
you acting as if he's going up against Shaq, Ewing, Hakeem, Robinson, Mchale..
Like 75% of centers in the NBA are face up jump shooters,
But let me asked you this
If Randle played Mitch 1 on 1 who you putting your $$$ on?
This created a picture in my head of Randle defending Mitchell on the low block and Mitchell trying to back him up under the basket... except Mitchell has no post moves..err
Ok ok,how about Mitchell faces up, and does that fancy dribbling sequence we saw from his garage video and then he tries to drive past Randle? What? That's not a very realistic picture.
How would Mitchell score is my question?
knicks1248 wrote:Philc1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Rim protecting Centers cause opposing players to change their shot mid-drive or mid-jumper which usually causes them to brick. That never shows up in a statbox
yeah but it effects opposing players and your own teammates
Huh?
Randle is not a Center. Even he himself would readily say that
you acting as if he's going up against Shaq, Ewing, Hakeem, Robinson, Mchale..
Like 75% of centers in the NBA are face up jump shooters,
But let me asked you this
If Randle played Mitch 1 on 1 who you putting your $$$ on?
What are you talking about? You don’t have to be going up against Shaquille O’Neal in his prime to think low post defense and rim protection matters
ramtour420 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Philc1 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Rim protecting Centers cause opposing players to change their shot mid-drive or mid-jumper which usually causes them to brick. That never shows up in a statbox
yeah but it effects opposing players and your own teammates
Huh?
Randle is not a Center. Even he himself would readily say that
you acting as if he's going up against Shaq, Ewing, Hakeem, Robinson, Mchale..
Like 75% of centers in the NBA are face up jump shooters,
But let me asked you this
If Randle played Mitch 1 on 1 who you putting your $$$ on?
This created a picture in my head of Randle defending Mitchell on the low block and Mitchell trying to back him up under the basket... except Mitchell has no post moves..err
Ok ok,how about Mitchell faces up, and does that fancy dribbling sequence we saw from his garage video and then he tries to drive past Randle? What? That's not a very realistic picture.
How would Mitchell score is my question?
That’s a fair assessment. Mitch can’t put the ball in the ocean. Meanwhile Randle defending any other Center 6’10 or above with post moves would get eaten alive
Saw Randle play a lot of Center tonight
Seen more Obi and Randle
Saw rj at the pf tonight
Pretty much everything I mentioning all season long.
