Knicks · Scouts break down OBI's shooting (page 1)

Obi is starting to remind me of Frank and Ben Simmons, little to no confidence in that jumper. But the one thing I notice like frank, his release on his jumper is never the same, the second it leaves his hands you know that sh**T is a brick..the highlighted it what i have been seeing with him

So what did our two experts find with Toppin’s 3-point stroke? It depends on if you’re a glass half-full or half-empty sort of person…

Hopla: “Start with the feet. He sometimes hops into the shot, sometimes he 1-2 steps, sometimes his stance is too wide — the right foot too far in front.

Then we have Obi’s grip [with] his shooting hand, which doesn’t appear in the center of the ball and the balance hand looks to be on top of the ball. Also, sometimes his right elbow is out and the ball comes up in front of his face. He bends his knees but does not bend at the waist, so his shoulders are not down and in front of his feet.

Finally, he does not [always] freeze his follow-through; sometimes [he] drops his left balance hand. . And when he lands, he’s always heading backwards. …His misses are all over the place — long, short, left, right, airballs. This is … an alignment problem. Long or short is an adjustment problem, which is easier to fix, but he has distance and directional problems.”

NBA scout: “He has a good basic set-up. I like his feet and base. I like where the ball is on the catch. He doesn’t bring it down or dip. It’s a simple compact shooting motion. I like the high release point. His hand is directly over the shooting elbow, which is good. His knees come together a bit, but it’s nothing he can’t correct in time.

[As for changes], I would like to see him hold the release a little longer and higher. Would help his ball flight a little more. And I would like to see him moving forward more toward the target once the ball is out of his hands. Currently his body can be moving back or to the side. It’s best for guys who are trying to extend their range to get everything moving toward the target squarely. This helps the misses to be short or long rather than left or right.

I’d be willing to bet he can improve his percentage as his career goes on. Give him another summer or two to get 1,000 reps up. Do I see him being a guy that hits 4-to-6 [3-pointers] a game regularly? Not right now. But 34-35 percent on 3-to-4 attempts feels attainable.”

knicks1248 wrote:Obi is starting to remind me of Frank and Ben Simmons, little to no confidence in that jumper. But the one thing I notice like frank, his release on his jumper is never the same, the second it leaves his hands you know that sh**T is a brick..the highlighted it what i have been seeing with him

So what did our two experts find with Toppin’s 3-point stroke? It depends on if you’re a glass half-full or half-empty sort of person…

Hopla: “Start with the feet. He sometimes hops into the shot, sometimes he 1-2 steps, sometimes his stance is too wide — the right foot too far in front.

Then we have Obi’s grip [with] his shooting hand, which doesn’t appear in the center of the ball and the balance hand looks to be on top of the ball. Also, sometimes his right elbow is out and the ball comes up in front of his face. He bends his knees but does not bend at the waist, so his shoulders are not down and in front of his feet.

Finally, he does not [always] freeze his follow-through; sometimes [he] drops his left balance hand. . And when he lands, he’s always heading backwards. …His misses are all over the place — long, short, left, right, airballs. This is … an alignment problem. Long or short is an adjustment problem, which is easier to fix, but he has distance and directional problems.”

NBA scout: “He has a good basic set-up. I like his feet and base. I like where the ball is on the catch. He doesn’t bring it down or dip. It’s a simple compact shooting motion. I like the high release point. His hand is directly over the shooting elbow, which is good. His knees come together a bit, but it’s nothing he can’t correct in time.

[As for changes], I would like to see him hold the release a little longer and higher. Would help his ball flight a little more. And I would like to see him moving forward more toward the target once the ball is out of his hands. Currently his body can be moving back or to the side. It’s best for guys who are trying to extend their range to get everything moving toward the target squarely. This helps the misses to be short or long rather than left or right.

I’d be willing to bet he can improve his percentage as his career goes on. Give him another summer or two to get 1,000 reps up. Do I see him being a guy that hits 4-to-6 [3-pointers] a game regularly? Not right now. But 34-35 percent on 3-to-4 attempts feels attainable.”

YOur a genius! The guy shoots 21% from the three, so he misses 79% of the time he misses. You like "yeah, I see it when he shoots"...........You see he misses. You now bragging that you are astute to have picked this up and the Pro scouts agree with you. You started a thread to brag about this? Only thing more pathetic is me having to "wack a mole" your posts.

OBI misses 8 of 10 shots and you think you figured it out? Thats some high end math skills you got!
Frank shoots 33.1% over his career. Whats the tie in on him? More Rainman vomit from you? Frank is clearly in your head.

Ben Simmons? really, you are a Ben Simmons expert on his form? The guy is an allstar player who lead his team to best record last year. I get he has issues, but your savant shooting technique convo compared Obi, a 12min per game bench player, to Frank, whose best attributes are defense but is barley hanging on this his NBA career, to Ben the All Star Simmons.

Ben Simmons has taken 34 3pt attempts his whole career. 4 seasons played, 3 all star teams, 3200 2pt shot attempts at .56% and this is who you go to? 34 attempts? He made 5 of them. Did not even attempt one in the playoffs.
Im not defending him or his numbers. Just can't fathom why you'd use him in any comparison.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Obi is starting to remind me of Frank and Ben Simmons, little to no confidence in that jumper. But the one thing I notice like frank, his release on his jumper is never the same, the second it leaves his hands you know that sh**T is a brick..the highlighted it what i have been seeing with him

So what did our two experts find with Toppin’s 3-point stroke? It depends on if you’re a glass half-full or half-empty sort of person…

Hopla: “Start with the feet. He sometimes hops into the shot, sometimes he 1-2 steps, sometimes his stance is too wide — the right foot too far in front.

Then we have Obi’s grip [with] his shooting hand, which doesn’t appear in the center of the ball and the balance hand looks to be on top of the ball. Also, sometimes his right elbow is out and the ball comes up in front of his face. He bends his knees but does not bend at the waist, so his shoulders are not down and in front of his feet.

Finally, he does not [always] freeze his follow-through; sometimes [he] drops his left balance hand. . And when he lands, he’s always heading backwards. …His misses are all over the place — long, short, left, right, airballs. This is … an alignment problem. Long or short is an adjustment problem, which is easier to fix, but he has distance and directional problems.”

NBA scout: “He has a good basic set-up. I like his feet and base. I like where the ball is on the catch. He doesn’t bring it down or dip. It’s a simple compact shooting motion. I like the high release point. His hand is directly over the shooting elbow, which is good. His knees come together a bit, but it’s nothing he can’t correct in time.

[As for changes], I would like to see him hold the release a little longer and higher. Would help his ball flight a little more. And I would like to see him moving forward more toward the target once the ball is out of his hands. Currently his body can be moving back or to the side. It’s best for guys who are trying to extend their range to get everything moving toward the target squarely. This helps the misses to be short or long rather than left or right.

I’d be willing to bet he can improve his percentage as his career goes on. Give him another summer or two to get 1,000 reps up. Do I see him being a guy that hits 4-to-6 [3-pointers] a game regularly? Not right now. But 34-35 percent on 3-to-4 attempts feels attainable.”

YOur a genius! The guy shoots 21% from the three, so he misses 79% of the time he misses. You like "yeah, I see it when he shoots"...........You see he misses. You now bragging that you are astute to have picked this up and the Pro scouts agree with you. You started a thread to brag about this? Only thing more pathetic is me having to "wack a mole" your posts.

OBI misses 8 of 10 shots and you think you figured it out? Thats some high end math skills you got!
Frank shoots 33.1% over his career. Whats the tie in on him? More Rainman vomit from you? Frank is clearly in your head.

You have go to be the dumbest troll on the internet BY FAR

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Obi is starting to remind me of Frank and Ben Simmons, little to no confidence in that jumper. But the one thing I notice like frank, his release on his jumper is never the same, the second it leaves his hands you know that sh**T is a brick..the highlighted it what i have been seeing with him

So what did our two experts find with Toppin’s 3-point stroke? It depends on if you’re a glass half-full or half-empty sort of person…

Hopla: “Start with the feet. He sometimes hops into the shot, sometimes he 1-2 steps, sometimes his stance is too wide — the right foot too far in front.

Then we have Obi’s grip [with] his shooting hand, which doesn’t appear in the center of the ball and the balance hand looks to be on top of the ball. Also, sometimes his right elbow is out and the ball comes up in front of his face. He bends his knees but does not bend at the waist, so his shoulders are not down and in front of his feet.

Finally, he does not [always] freeze his follow-through; sometimes [he] drops his left balance hand. . And when he lands, he’s always heading backwards. …His misses are all over the place — long, short, left, right, airballs. This is … an alignment problem. Long or short is an adjustment problem, which is easier to fix, but he has distance and directional problems.”

NBA scout: “He has a good basic set-up. I like his feet and base. I like where the ball is on the catch. He doesn’t bring it down or dip. It’s a simple compact shooting motion. I like the high release point. His hand is directly over the shooting elbow, which is good. His knees come together a bit, but it’s nothing he can’t correct in time.

[As for changes], I would like to see him hold the release a little longer and higher. Would help his ball flight a little more. And I would like to see him moving forward more toward the target once the ball is out of his hands. Currently his body can be moving back or to the side. It’s best for guys who are trying to extend their range to get everything moving toward the target squarely. This helps the misses to be short or long rather than left or right.

I’d be willing to bet he can improve his percentage as his career goes on. Give him another summer or two to get 1,000 reps up. Do I see him being a guy that hits 4-to-6 [3-pointers] a game regularly? Not right now. But 34-35 percent on 3-to-4 attempts feels attainable.”

YOur a genius! The guy shoots 21% from the three, so he misses 79% of the time he misses. You like "yeah, I see it when he shoots"...........You see he misses. You now bragging that you are astute to have picked this up and the Pro scouts agree with you. You started a thread to brag about this? Only thing more pathetic is me having to "wack a mole" your posts.

OBI misses 8 of 10 shots and you think you figured it out? Thats some high end math skills you got!
Frank shoots 33.1% over his career. Whats the tie in on him? More Rainman vomit from you? Frank is clearly in your head.

You have go to be the dumbest troll on the internet BY FAR

thats it? Thats all you got? Not a shred of any attempt to defend your position and then drop the mike on how I suck?

Nalod wrote:thats it? Thats all you got? Not a shred of any attempt to defend your position and then drop the mike on how I suck?

What are you talking about? Knicks1248 never once defended Obi Toppin when creating this thread.

All he said was...

"Obi is starting to remind me of Frank and Ben Simmons, little to no confidence in that jumper. But the one thing I notice like frank, his release on his jumper is never the same, the second it leaves his hands you know that sh**T is a brick..the highlighted it what i have been seeing with him"

And everything else written (in that article) were by other people within the basketball world (not Knicks1248 himself).

So why are you jumping down his throat?

PS: Obi Toppin is averaging 17 minutes per game this year (as only a 2nd year player). Not a "12 minute bench player" as you've labeled him.

Obi Toppin Per 36 =
18.4 points.
8.4 rebounds.
2.5 assists.
1.2 blocks.
FG% of .535%.
2PT% of .662%.
Player Efficiency Rating of 19.3.

And for a 2nd year player? Those are awesome per 36 numbers and an elite Player Efficiency Rating (for only a 2nd year kid).

If not for Obi Toppin backing up an All-Star veteran PF in Julius Randle? Obi Toppin himself would easily average 25+ minutes per game as a Starter on a lot of different teams.

Some fans are too quick to write off a younger players potential.

Obi struggling from 3PT range in the NBA despite only 142 attempts (mostly while being cold off the bench) is a perfect example.

In college he attempted 103 3s and drained 43 of them. That is a 3PT% of .417%.

John Starks as a 2nd year kid only shot .290% from 3. Thankfully he kept shooting and kept improving.

With that said. I don't want Obi Toppin to become a 3PT shooter. His athleticism is too freakish and his athleticism is Amare Stoudemire like (career 3PT% of only .236%).

Obi Toppin needs to work on attacking the rim and being unstoppable on fast breaks; just as Stoudemire was.