Knicks · Woj: Cam Reddish to KNICKS, Knox out (page 2)

I don't get it- what's the catch? I posted yesterday I didn't get all the Cam Reddish hype, but all the writers were saying he was the most sought after player and had high value. So how did we get him for just the Charlotte pick?! We didn't even have to give up Grimes!

martin wrote:

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Come on -- I want to hear from the whiners!

BRIGGS wrote:Is cam reddish much better than knox?

Both lower lottery picks both same size both stats close

It’s a wait and see. I’d rather of held out the 1 for a pg

Jalen Brunson sends his regards for next year man. Also IQ, McBride, Jokubaitis all say hi

smackeddog wrote:I don't get it- what's the catch? I posted yesterday I didn't get all the Cam Reddish hype, but all the writers were saying he was the most sought after player and had high value. So how did we get him for just the Charlotte pick?! We didn't even have to give up Grimes!

Most sought after does not equal most valued. Guess most teams thought he'd be obtainable for cheap if ours was the winning offer?

Good trade! Reddish is only 22 but has been injury prone and inconsistent but has shown flashes of being a solid player. Pretty much got him for free but we now have a bit of a jam on the wing. I hope this doesn't send Grimes out of the rotation.

BRIGGS wrote:Is cam reddish much better than knox?

Both lower lottery picks both same size both stats close

It’s a wait and see. I’d rather of held out the 1 for a pg

His trade value is shed load higher even if you don't like him as a player- commentators have been ridiculously hyping him since last years playoffs as the next promising 3 and d guy

martin wrote:This is an insane good trade for the Knicks IMHO

It's weird to have us do a trade where it looks like we pulled off a daylight robbery!

Wonder what our next move is- we must have something up our sleeves to free up playing time

smackeddog wrote:

martin wrote:This is an insane good trade for the Knicks IMHO

It's weird to have us do a trade where it looks like we pulled off a daylight robbery!

Wonder what our next move is- we must have something up our sleeves to free up playing time

I feel like we did the same thing in the Rose trade

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

martin wrote:This is an insane good trade for the Knicks IMHO

It's weird to have us do a trade where it looks like we pulled off a daylight robbery!

Wonder what our next move is- we must have something up our sleeves to free up playing time

I feel like we did the same thing in the Rose trade

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This will be the line from nearly all bball writers/commentators/podcasters, they've been hyping Cam for months:

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BRIGGS wrote:Is cam reddish much better than knox?

Both lower lottery picks both same size both stats close

It’s a wait and see. I’d rather of held out the 1 for a pg

Our war chest is still looking pretty good. We've still got all of our own and a slew of seconds.

2022 first round draft pick from Charlotte
Charlotte's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2022, 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Charlotte has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Charlotte will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round draft pick to New York [Charlotte-New York, 7/30/2021]

2022 second round draft pick from Charlotte
Charlotte's 2022 2nd round pick to New York (via Boston) protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Charlotte's obligation to New York will be extinguished) [Boston-Charlotte, 11/29/2020; Boston-New York, 8/17/2021]

2023 first round draft pick from Dallas
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2023 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2023 2nd round pick to New York (via Philadelphia to L.A. Clippers to Minnesota) [Detroit-Philadelphia, 6/21/2018; L.A. Clippers-Philadelphia, 2/6/2019; L.A. Clippers-Minnesota, 11/19/2020; Minnesota-New York-Oklahoma City, 11/20/2020]

2023 second round draft pick from Oklahoma City, Washington, Dallas or Miami
New York will receive the least favorable of (i) Oklahoma City's 2023 2nd round pick, (ii) Washington's 2023 2nd round pick and (iii) the more favorable of Dallas' 2023 2nd round pick and Miami's 2023 2nd round pick (via Washington to New Orleans to Oklahoma City; via Miami to Dallas to Oklahoma City; via Boston to New York) [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; New Orleans-Washington, 2/7/2019; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Boston-Oklahoma City, 6/18/2021; Boston-New York, 8/17/2021]

2023 second round draft pick from Utah
Utah's 2023 2nd round pick to New York [New York-Utah, 11/22/2020]

2024 second round draft pick from Utah or Cleveland (more favorable)
New York will receive the more favorable of Utah's 2024 2nd round pick and Cleveland's 2024 2nd round pick; Memphis will receive the more favorable of (i) Indiana's 2024 second round pick and (ii) the less favorable of the Utah pick and the Cleveland pick and Indiana will receive the least favorable of the three (via Utah's right to swap for Cleveland; via Milwaukee to Memphis) [Cleveland-Sacramento-Utah, 2/8/2018; New York-Utah, 11/22/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Indiana-Milwaukee, 7/30/2021; Memphis-Milwaukee, 8/7/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2024 2nd round pick to New York (via L.A. Clippers) [Brooklyn-Detroit-L.A. Clippers, 11/19/2020; L.A. Clippers-New York, 7/30/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to New York (via Cleveland to Detroit to Philadelphia) protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and/or New York will thereafter be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]

2026 second round draft pick from Minnesota
Minnesota's 2026 2nd round pick to New York [Minnesota-New York, 11/24/2020]

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Is cam reddish much better than knox?

Both lower lottery picks both same size both stats close

It’s a wait and see. I’d rather of held out the 1 for a pg

Jalen Brunson sends his regards for next year man. Also IQ, McBride, Jokubaitis all say hi

I want see what this guy Jokubaitis can do at pt next year. He is so highly talked about here.

BRIGGS wrote:Is cam reddish much better than knox?

Both lower lottery picks both same size both stats close

It’s a wait and see. I’d rather of held out the 1 for a pg

Reddish is A LOT better than Knox!

MaTT4281 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Is cam reddish much better than knox?

Both lower lottery picks both same size both stats close

It’s a wait and see. I’d rather of held out the 1 for a pg

Our war chest is still looking pretty good. We've still got all of our own and a slew of seconds.

2022 first round draft pick from Charlotte
Charlotte's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2022, 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Charlotte has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Charlotte will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round draft pick to New York [Charlotte-New York, 7/30/2021]

2022 second round draft pick from Charlotte
Charlotte's 2022 2nd round pick to New York (via Boston) protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Charlotte's obligation to New York will be extinguished) [Boston-Charlotte, 11/29/2020; Boston-New York, 8/17/2021]

2023 first round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]

2023 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2023 2nd round pick to New York (via Philadelphia to L.A. Clippers to Minnesota) [Detroit-Philadelphia, 6/21/2018; L.A. Clippers-Philadelphia, 2/6/2019; L.A. Clippers-Minnesota, 11/19/2020; Minnesota-New York-Oklahoma City, 11/20/2020]

2023 second round draft pick from Oklahoma City, Washington, Dallas or Miami
New York will receive the least favorable of (i) Oklahoma City's 2023 2nd round pick, (ii) Washington's 2023 2nd round pick and (iii) the more favorable of Dallas' 2023 2nd round pick and Miami's 2023 2nd round pick (via Washington to New Orleans to Oklahoma City; via Miami to Dallas to Oklahoma City; via Boston to New York) [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; New Orleans-Washington, 2/7/2019; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Boston-Oklahoma City, 6/18/2021; Boston-New York, 8/17/2021]

2023 second round draft pick from Utah
Utah's 2023 2nd round pick to New York [New York-Utah, 11/22/2020]

2024 second round draft pick from Utah or Cleveland (more favorable)
New York will receive the more favorable of Utah's 2024 2nd round pick and Cleveland's 2024 2nd round pick; Memphis will receive the more favorable of (i) Indiana's 2024 second round pick and (ii) the less favorable of the Utah pick and the Cleveland pick and Indiana will receive the least favorable of the three (via Utah's right to swap for Cleveland; via Milwaukee to Memphis) [Cleveland-Sacramento-Utah, 2/8/2018; New York-Utah, 11/22/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Indiana-Milwaukee, 7/30/2021; Memphis-Milwaukee, 8/7/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2024 2nd round pick to New York (via L.A. Clippers) [Brooklyn-Detroit-L.A. Clippers, 11/19/2020; L.A. Clippers-New York, 7/30/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to New York (via Cleveland to Detroit to Philadelphia) protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and/or New York will thereafter be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]

2026 second round draft pick from Minnesota
Minnesota's 2026 2nd round pick to New York [Minnesota-New York, 11/24/2020]

Add the 2025 2nd rounder from Brooklyn after their big3 all retire. Could be a high 2nd.

One person's take

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martin wrote:One person's take

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How is this going to be different when he's standing and watching Randle/RJ/Rose/Kemba. I like the trade, but I wouldn't say we fleeced Atlanta. Can, while talented, is very inconsistent and is still in search of game. I like this deal, but it's a gamble.

Useless trade. SG/SF is the one position where the Knicks have a lot of options: RJ, Fournier, Grimes, IQ will also get minutes at SG. At least we did not give up a lot, but hard to see where Cam fits into the rotation, whereas Knox just sat at the end of the bench. Probably the real reason was to make RJ happy ahead of re-signing him and give Knox a fresh start ahead of his contract year.

smackeddog wrote:This will be the line from nearly all bball writers/commentators/podcasters, they've been hyping Cam for months:

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No mention of us fleecing the Mavs in the KP trade? Which actually figures into this move since it was one of the Mavs #1's that figured into the draft night moves.

But just like the KP trade everyone is off to a rush to judgment. Cam has great "potential." Maybe Thibs is the guy to facilitate it. Or crush it. Maybe Knox finds a home in Hotlanta.

Anyway, I like it. And strongly suspect there is another move in the hopper.

ESOMKnicks wrote:Useless trade. SG/SF is the one position where the Knicks have a lot of options: RJ, Fournier, Grimes, IQ will also get minutes at SG. At least we did not give up a lot, but hard to see where Cam fits into the rotation, whereas Knox just sat at the end of the bench. Probably the real reason was to make RJ happy ahead of re-signing him and give Knox a fresh start ahead of his contract year.

Could be a trade before a bigger trade. Maybe we move Fournier next.

AND IQ may become the starting PG.

So since the Porzingis trade brought us the Dallas pick at 19 last year and the Dallas pick brought us the Charlotte pick and the Charlotte pick brought us Cam Reddish we really must thank Cuban and the Mavs.

This is obviously setting up another trade.

Obi is going to be moved shortly. He’s playing 10 minutes a night and Thibs doesn’t like him.

IQ, Obi, two firsts probably to Sac for Fox or some combination.