Knicks · No surprise here: Randle may be made available by the deadline! But will bite? ... I wouldn't.😟 (page 2)

smackeddog wrote:CP of Knicks fan tv said he'd heard from his source that the Knicks were looking at trading Randle 2 weeks ago (which was over a week after the whole thumbs down stuff), and said his source said "don't be surprised if he's traded at the deadline or the summer" (his tone seemed to be pretty firm)

I agree with keeping EF but off the bench. Start grimes and iq. Is that his name CP? Always liked his perspectives.

Nalod wrote:we keep adding more and more to this with no facts.
Perhaps it all makes sense but perhaps this is RJ’s team and its a chemistry thing. We are making it like he found success and went from “we here” goodness to a lazy malcontent.

"We Here" and Randle is "Over There"

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Mirror mirror on the trade wall...nobody's biting at this at all

No GM is going to take a downsiding-season Randle with all this sudden baggage without turning it into a 1st round pick salary dump. And why are we going to expect value in return? "We here" is now "He's here"... and I don't think this FO is going to make a huge splash move anytime soon.

They're quiet and conservative. And keeping Jimmy that way as well in the midst of all this chicken little jackal yelping turmoil, when even Phil's fistful of rings couldn't do that.

jrodmc wrote:+1
Mirror mirror on the trade wall...nobody's biting at this at all

No GM is going to take a downsiding-season Randle with all this sudden baggage without turning it into a 1st round pick salary dump. And why are we going to expect value in return? "We here" is now "He's here"... and I don't think this FO is going to make a huge splash move anytime soon.

They're quiet and conservative. And keeping Jimmy that way as well in the midst of all this chicken little jackal yelping turmoil, when even Phil's fistful of rings couldn't do that.

You are right. There has been 1 potential scenario that was put out there that kinda sorta makes sense.

Randle to POR for Robert Covington and Larry Nance Jr.

Portland gets a talent upgrade to kinda sort keep Dame happy and it's a perceived upgrade? Covington is an UFA and if they think he is going to jet, best trade him now while you can.

NY gets Covington and he can be easily moved in separate deal, he is a good enough role player. I know nothing about Nance.

Also, POR gets under the luxury tax line.

WOW didn't see that coming

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martin wrote:

jrodmc wrote:+1
Mirror mirror on the trade wall...nobody's biting at this at all

No GM is going to take a downsiding-season Randle with all this sudden baggage without turning it into a 1st round pick salary dump. And why are we going to expect value in return? "We here" is now "He's here"... and I don't think this FO is going to make a huge splash move anytime soon.

They're quiet and conservative. And keeping Jimmy that way as well in the midst of all this chicken little jackal yelping turmoil, when even Phil's fistful of rings couldn't do that.

You are right. There has been 1 potential scenario that was put out there that kinda sorta makes sense.

Randle to POR for Robert Covington and Larry Nance Jr.

Portland gets a talent upgrade to kinda sort keep Dame happy and it's a perceived upgrade? Covington is an UFA and if they think he is going to jet, best trade him now while you can.

NY gets Covington and he can be easily moved in separate deal, he is a good enough role player. I know nothing about Nance.

Also, POR gets under the luxury tax line.

Agreed....wont be easy to move him. Outside of Portland, I think Sac-Town is our best bet. I want no parts of Hield, but I think a Randle/Harrison Barnes swap makes sense from our standpoint, especially when you consider that Barnes is an expiring contract next year. Not sure if Sac would except Julius in a trade, however, they are going after Sabonis which indicates they may be in the market for a 4 or 5.

Given the rumors and what's most likely possible - I'd go for Randle and Burks for Fox first, Randle for Collins or J.Grant next, Randle for Brunson (in a 3 team deal), and finally Randle (and Kemba and Fournier) for Westbrook and a #1 pick.

If Fournier stays - I'd suggest Grimes starts and he becomes the 6th man (as many have previously stated)
I'd look to sell Burks for a low 1st rounder if possible
I'd keep D.Rose and Taj as we will need the vet presence for the youth movement
I think IQ stays on the bench as his role is clear - he's a perfect combo guard off the bench

Use the rest of the season to see what Cam offers, find out how Obi can play more minutes and at what position, let Grimes develop, assess RJ as the primary option and (hopefully) see what a dynamic PG can do for Mitch before free agency.

jskinny35 wrote:Given the rumors and what's most likely possible - I'd go for Randle and Burks for Fox first, Randle for Collins or J.Grant next, Randle for Brunson (in a 3 team deal), and finally Randle (and Kemba and Fournier) for Westbrook and a #1 pick.

If Fournier stays - I'd suggest Grimes starts and he becomes the 6th man (as many have previously stated)
I'd look to sell Burks for a low 1st rounder if possible
I'd keep D.Rose and Taj as we will need the vet presence for the youth movement
I think IQ stays on the bench as his role is clear - he's a perfect combo guard off the bench

Use the rest of the season to see what Cam offers, find out how Obi can play more minutes and at what position, let Grimes develop, assess RJ as the primary option and (hopefully) see what a dynamic PG can do for Mitch before free agency.

Randle for Fox would be a great deal for us, especially if you are buying into Fox's upside. I just dont see Sac pulling the trigger on that trade.

Uptown wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:Given the rumors and what's most likely possible - I'd go for Randle and Burks for Fox first, Randle for Collins or J.Grant next, Randle for Brunson (in a 3 team deal), and finally Randle (and Kemba and Fournier) for Westbrook and a #1 pick.

If Fournier stays - I'd suggest Grimes starts and he becomes the 6th man (as many have previously stated)
I'd look to sell Burks for a low 1st rounder if possible
I'd keep D.Rose and Taj as we will need the vet presence for the youth movement
I think IQ stays on the bench as his role is clear - he's a perfect combo guard off the bench

Use the rest of the season to see what Cam offers, find out how Obi can play more minutes and at what position, let Grimes develop, assess RJ as the primary option and (hopefully) see what a dynamic PG can do for Mitch before free agency.

Randle for Fox would be a great deal for us, especially if you are buying into Fox's upside. I just dont see Sac pulling the trigger on that trade.

You're probably right as his value continues to decrease. Would be a tough call but would it be worth it to include the Dallas pick (same one we would use for Brunson)?

Uptown wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:Given the rumors and what's most likely possible - I'd go for Randle and Burks for Fox first, Randle for Collins or J.Grant next, Randle for Brunson (in a 3 team deal), and finally Randle (and Kemba and Fournier) for Westbrook and a #1 pick.

If Fournier stays - I'd suggest Grimes starts and he becomes the 6th man (as many have previously stated)
I'd look to sell Burks for a low 1st rounder if possible
I'd keep D.Rose and Taj as we will need the vet presence for the youth movement
I think IQ stays on the bench as his role is clear - he's a perfect combo guard off the bench

Use the rest of the season to see what Cam offers, find out how Obi can play more minutes and at what position, let Grimes develop, assess RJ as the primary option and (hopefully) see what a dynamic PG can do for Mitch before free agency.

Randle for Fox would be a great deal for us, especially if you are buying into Fox's upside. I just dont see Sac pulling the trigger on that trade.

Fox is having an off year and his 3pt% is horrible. So let's not think this is the Fox from 2 years ago and he's making more $$ than JR

Pure conjecture: but Sac may have been holding out thinking they might get Simmons. Now they might be seeing what's the best they can get for Fox. Who is going to offer more for Fox?

Whats funny is that I believe each one of those trades will give the opposing teams (except SAC) a huge upgrade.

Adding Fournier and Randle to Lebron and Davis would shoot the Lakers up the league standings and Randle in Portland, with Dame and McCollum, would be a dangerous three headed monster.

Chandler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:Given the rumors and what's most likely possible - I'd go for Randle and Burks for Fox first, Randle for Collins or J.Grant next, Randle for Brunson (in a 3 team deal), and finally Randle (and Kemba and Fournier) for Westbrook and a #1 pick.

If Fournier stays - I'd suggest Grimes starts and he becomes the 6th man (as many have previously stated)
I'd look to sell Burks for a low 1st rounder if possible
I'd keep D.Rose and Taj as we will need the vet presence for the youth movement
I think IQ stays on the bench as his role is clear - he's a perfect combo guard off the bench

Use the rest of the season to see what Cam offers, find out how Obi can play more minutes and at what position, let Grimes develop, assess RJ as the primary option and (hopefully) see what a dynamic PG can do for Mitch before free agency.

Randle for Fox would be a great deal for us, especially if you are buying into Fox's upside. I just dont see Sac pulling the trigger on that trade.

Fox is having an off year and his 3pt% is horrible. So let's not think this is the Fox from 2 years ago and he's making more $$ than JR

Pure conjecture: but Sac may have been holding out thinking they might get Simmons. Now they might be seeing what's the best they can get for Fox. Who is going to offer more for Fox?

Randle is having a horrible year as well which is why this trade is a possibility. My problem for yours...In the end, I'm still not sure Sact would do it.

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Trading Randle now would be wrong on so many levels. His current trade value is low, trading a high-profile FA right after extending him would hurt the Knicks' image with other players, and leave us with a reputation of throwing people to the wolves at first signs of trouble. Yes, Julius is underperforming, but I do not think it is a reflection of his character. He has done enough in NY to prove that he is a hard working and relentless player, logging in the long minutes, trying to get teammates involved, committed to making himself and the team better, I do not believe someone like that could have turned into a punk overnight. Maybe it is his family situation, maybe he indeed had Covid during the protocol absence and is feeling the after-effects, maybe it is the consequence of him shedding weight during the offseason that have sapped his strength and energy. We gotta give him time to set himself straight.

The Kincks would do right by not making a knee jerk reaction, and giving the current team some more time together. Right now we need some stability and continuity, not another Red October revolution.

So, unless a Giannis or at least a Deandre Ayton are about to walk in through the door, I am against any desperation trades of Randle or other key players.

I specifically watched Randall last night— followed him not the ball. He looks somewhat non engaged effort level 70% rarely ran hard. Just going through basic motions not engaged in the game. Maybe next game use him with taj Gibson more. Tajiks our best pick player abd I think it can help Julius

BRIGGS wrote:I specifically watched Randall last night— followed him not the ball. He looks somewhat non engaged effort level 70% rarely ran hard. Just going through basic motions not engaged in the game. Maybe next game use him with taj Gibson more. Tajiks our best pick player abd I think it can help Julius

As Knicks fans, we are just not allowed to have nice things. Randles season is just mind blowing at this point. I wouldn’t be upset except for last season he was a total hero. He just doesn’t give a crap and it shows

Why is he being such a little bitch right now. That’s not leadership, that’s being a slave to your emotions. I don’t care if your shot isn’t falling or you turn the ball over, play your heart out and be apart of the team, show that you actually care.
If he keeps acting like a bitch ship this guy to the hole aka Sacramento. With the way he’s playing, he doesn’t deserve to start let alone be in the rotation. His behavior is bringing down the whole team. Maybe he needs to take a leave of absence since he’s clearly not present with the group.

Before I trade for him another team needs to know what is the cause for his demise.
As a fan I can’t do the trade thing because I can’t ascertain his value.

Really, its been the last 30 days or so. Not saying he was an allstar this seaosn prior.
Thus I can’t really go on an emotional rant to trade him if I don’t know whats up?
Something at home? Something with the new baby? Hm and his wife? Physical? Mental?
I can’t call him out as he has been a hard worker and engaged for most of his knick career.

I won’t let the fans narrative drive my opinon. I dont’ like what I see, but the pile on is just regurgitating the same stuff.
Tommy beer stats don’t change what I see.

He went from the toast of the town, got his extension, and now salty to the crowd. I get the fans reactions this. Its not pretty.

Nalod wrote:Before I trade for him another team needs to know what is the cause for his demise.
As a fan I can’t do the trade thing because I can’t ascertain his value.

Really, its been the last 30 days or so. Not saying he was an allstar this seaosn prior.
Thus I can’t really go on an emotional rant to trade him if I don’t know whats up?
Something at home? Something with the new baby? Hm and his wife? Physical? Mental?
I can’t call him out as he has been a hard worker and engaged for most of his knick career.

I won’t let the fans narrative drive my opinon. I dont’ like what I see, but the pile on is just regurgitating the same stuff.
Tommy beer stats don’t change what I see.

He went from the toast of the town, got his extension, and now salty to the crowd. I get the fans reactions this. Its not pretty.

What he said.

Nalod wrote:Before I trade for him another team needs to know what is the cause for his demise.
As a fan I can’t do the trade thing because I can’t ascertain his value.

Really, its been the last 30 days or so. Not saying he was an allstar this seaosn prior.
Thus I can’t really go on an emotional rant to trade him if I don’t know whats up?
Something at home? Something with the new baby? Hm and his wife? Physical? Mental?
I can’t call him out as he has been a hard worker and engaged for most of his knick career.

I won’t let the fans narrative drive my opinon. I dont’ like what I see, but the pile on is just regurgitating the same stuff.
Tommy beer stats don’t change what I see.

He went from the toast of the town, got his extension, and now salty to the crowd. I get the fans reactions this. Its not pretty.

You're right. His behavior over the last few weeks are just not normal. Even in an office setting if you see a coworker acting like Randle, you would be concerned. It's like he's severely depressed and distracted. I would not be shocked if there is something serious we just don't know about. I follow Randle on social media and I haven't seen anything. His wife posts pictures all the time and he seems happy. His wife and son still attend games despite the booing and bad play. Of course social media doesn't tell the whole story.
We've seen more and more athletes admit mental illness or mental struggles so if Randle needs to take some time off, he really should.

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Can't wait until he is gone. Most of this season I been on the keep Randle just have him play as part of the team and not ISO. He is too far gone now. He has to be traded. The sooner the better.