BRIGGS wrote:gradyandrew wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Silly me starting an "Optimism Thread"....
All these New Yorkers here man，no way out. 
I don’t blame Ny fans. 21 years of mostly poor basketball. Long time with many of the same mistakes being made. Right now Jerome James contract looks pretty good compared to some of ours. We’re locked into a shtty mess.
I wouod blow the sht out of this team and build a replica of what the raptors and cavs are doing. Besides pg BIGGER skill players at all positions. Bigger longer athletes will play better team defense and score more efficiently. It’s impossible to say we want a team buoyed around a Chris Paul a steph curry a LeBron James because those are 1 of a kind players. We need more skill out of the 5 3 and 1 thrr we n quality fillers. I think we have done players. Julius Randle is not one of them
The nba has been vaporized from NY for most of the past 20 years. Stern/Silver kept rigging the draft for New Orleans and all these podunk markets and what a shocker tv ratings have gone into the toilet. This compounded mostly horrible management
I still have some hope. Rose got us locked into a couple really bad contracts which either means he’s a part of the problem and/or he’s listening to Dolan and Isiah. Luckily Perry has been nailing most of his draft picks so all is not lost even if this is yet another 30 win team I’ll at least enjoy watching the young players develop
BRIGGS wrote:gradyandrew wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Silly me starting an "Optimism Thread"....
All these New Yorkers here man，no way out.
I don’t blame Ny fans. 21 years of mostly poor basketball. Long time with many of the same mistakes being made. Right now Jerome James contract looks pretty good compared to some of ours. We’re locked into a shtty mess.
I wouod blow the sht out of this team and build a replica of what the raptors and cavs are doing. Besides pg BIGGER skill players at all positions. Bigger longer athletes will play better team defense and score more efficiently. It’s impossible to say we want a team buoyed around a Chris Paul a steph curry a LeBron James because those are 1 of a kind players. We need more skill out of the 5 3 and 1 thrr we n quality fillers. I think we have done players. Julius Randle is not one of them
Let's be honest. You wouldn't have built what the Cavs or Raptors were doing cause you would have blown those 2 teams up last year because both team were in the bottom 5-7.
You have to have a plan. But not afraid to adjust that plan.
Blowing it up every 3-6 months isn't a plan man
LOL, Cavs won 22 games last year and nobody was saying “Lets model them”.
THey did the Drummond thing and looked stupid.
The nets did something even dumber. They picked Deandre Jordan over Jared Allan and traded him . Then Clev picked him up for scrapps and paid him.
For now they look great but Mobley and Allen might need to be broken up. Markkeennneennn is not the answer and a lot rides on Okoro goin forward.
Patience with Garland was the key. Imagine such a thing in NY. Cuz admit it, most of you hindsight dudes would have called for his head.
Wasn’t Briggs model ATL last year?
My take is ATL has a logjam and needs to be sorted out and tweeked.
Why isn’t Chicago the “model”? Not sexy enough? We laughed at them and before injuries they were killing it.
Results are what matter and this year we are not there. Expectations were high. At the same time most pundits called for .500.
Nalod wrote:LOL, Cavs won 22 games last year and nobody was saying “Lets model them”.
THey did the Drummond thing and looked stupid.
The nets did something even dumber. They picked Deandre Jordan over Jared Allan and traded him . Then Clev picked him up for scrapps and paid him.
For now they look great but Mobley and Allen might need to be broken up. Markkeennneennn is not the answer and a lot rides on Okoro goin forward.
Patience with Garland was the key. Imagine such a thing in NY. Cuz admit it, most of you hindsight dudes would have called for his head. Wasn’t Briggs model ATL last year?
My take is ATL has a logjam and needs to be sorted out and tweeked.
Why isn’t Chicago the “model”? Not sexy enough? We laughed at them and before injuries they were killing it.
Results are what matter and this year we are not there. Expectations were high. At the same time most pundits called for .500.
Knicks about to do the Randle thing ala Drummond
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:LOL, Cavs won 22 games last year and nobody was saying “Lets model them”.
THey did the Drummond thing and looked stupid.
The nets did something even dumber. They picked Deandre Jordan over Jared Allan and traded him . Then Clev picked him up for scrapps and paid him.
For now they look great but Mobley and Allen might need to be broken up. Markkeennneennn is not the answer and a lot rides on Okoro goin forward.
Patience with Garland was the key. Imagine such a thing in NY. Cuz admit it, most of you hindsight dudes would have called for his head. Wasn’t Briggs model ATL last year?
My take is ATL has a logjam and needs to be sorted out and tweeked.
Why isn’t Chicago the “model”? Not sexy enough? We laughed at them and before injuries they were killing it.
Results are what matter and this year we are not there. Expectations were high. At the same time most pundits called for .500.
Knicks about to do the Randle thing ala Drummond
Drummond was a low cost expiring for them to aquire and was not due a big payday. Then somthing better came along and it looked stupid to carry both. But they knew what they were to do. They promised a pay day to allen and executed it. It was quiet.
I know your not a Randle lover, but I suspect you think we should dump Randle and Promote OBI? Say Randle and kemba for Fox? Fox has a very big contract! D’Aron has to step up. Their problem for ours?
For the record, EF>Buddy Heild.
IF RJ plays 35 min a game, where doe Reddish get his minutes?
Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:LOL, Cavs won 22 games last year and nobody was saying “Lets model them”.
THey did the Drummond thing and looked stupid.
The nets did something even dumber. They picked Deandre Jordan over Jared Allan and traded him . Then Clev picked him up for scrapps and paid him.
For now they look great but Mobley and Allen might need to be broken up. Markkeennneennn is not the answer and a lot rides on Okoro goin forward.
Patience with Garland was the key. Imagine such a thing in NY. Cuz admit it, most of you hindsight dudes would have called for his head. Wasn’t Briggs model ATL last year?
My take is ATL has a logjam and needs to be sorted out and tweeked.
Why isn’t Chicago the “model”? Not sexy enough? We laughed at them and before injuries they were killing it.
Results are what matter and this year we are not there. Expectations were high. At the same time most pundits called for .500.
Knicks about to do the Randle thing ala Drummond
Drummond was a low cost expiring for them to aquire and was not due a big payday. Then somthing better came along and it looked stupid to carry both. But they knew what they were to do. They promised a pay day to allen and executed it. It was quiet.
I know your not a Randle lover, but I suspect you think we should dump Randle and Promote OBI? Say Randle and kemba for Fox? Fox has a very big contract! D’Aron has to step up. Their problem for ours?
For the record, EF>Buddy Heild.
IF RJ plays 35 min a game, where doe Reddish get his minutes?
You right, meant the Detroit version of Drummond
Nalod wrote:I know your not a Randle lover, but I suspect you think we should dump Randle and Promote OBI? Say Randle and kemba for Fox? Fox has a very big contract! D’Aron has to step up. Their problem for ours?
For the record, EF>Buddy Heild.
IF RJ plays 35 min a game, where doe Reddish get his minutes?
For me, moving on from Randle is just not a one-to-one reflection of promoting Obi. It'll promote every other player on the team, from RJ to Obi to Grimes to Cam etc. and the team as a whole.
Especially when you do not have a CP3 type or perhaps Garland in a few years, as a team you run sets that you have specifically prep'ed for an opponent, basic stuff you have been practicing all year but focused on what nuance you think will work that night. When they don't work, you adjust. And when something works or a guy gets hot, you keep doing it. The Knicks don't adjust and they barely recognize as a team what is working and what is not, they flat don't have the team IQ to do that. When things go wrong, RJ and Randle mostly just have the ball in their hands and do whatever they want. The Randle iso or post up is just trash and that's the default when team can't get going or whenever Randle feels like he has a mismatch or when the defense messes stuff up.
When Randle's shots are falling, he is magnificant. IMHO his is not a high IQ guy. Dribbles into double teams, can't handle a double team, awful passer, assist to TO ratio is awful, barely knows what's going on with the clock, has a hard time just fitting into the flow of a game (when he is in pass mode it feels forced), loves the ball in his hands but can never tell when double team is coming. Like that.
Randle is also sticky. When Giannis is sticky you don't care cause he just powers to the rim. Certain guys can be sticky in the right moments. Pre Phil Jackson, Jordan was not good sticky, late game Triangle Jordan is the better version of iso sticky.
Suns and GS and Miami run really nice offense and move ball and man. Randle literally doesn't want to do either after a bit. It's not all his fault, sometimes the execution is poor all around and he gets stuck with the ball. But to deny he isn't a main culprit is not looking closely enough. Same with RJ to an extent but he buys into ball and player movement a lot more.
I'm jealous and so wish I can muster some optimism with this team cause I feel like it's 2014 all over again.
