Dinwiddie is one season removed from an ACL injury. Not really welcomed in Washington. Good size for a PG, he seems like the kind of guy that will downright embrace Thibs for what he is or go down in flames horribly. That said, one season back and he is putting up decent numbers that may continue to improve as he gets stronger. His 3pt numbers leave something to be desired at 31%. But he seems committed on both offense and defense.
Fournier is a good player on a bad team. I don’t think he is starting caliber. I think a role behind Beal is probably best for him. He can shoot more and orchestrate more in a second unit. Nothing ultimately wrong with EF, just isn’t really working out.
This leaves Washington without much of a PG, might need to be expanded to include Kemba or a third team to get them a PG.
Dinwiddie/Barrett/Reddish/Randle/Robinson? Gets a bit more size on the perimeter.
Dinwiddie is the question. Has talent but seems to say a lot of dumb stuff. Not sure he is great for the NY media. But, I think he could also be a value upgrade.
Wizards kinda loaded at the SG and SF spots? Beal, KCP, Kispert, Deni, Hachimura, Bertāns?
They prob would use Dinwiddie to UPGRADE their PG spot?
I rather trade Fournier for expiring and picks
wargames wrote:I rather trade Fournier for expiring and picks
I see your still stuck in the TANK mode Era
We should be thinking about a player equal to his level thats a better fit.
martin wrote:Wizards kinda loaded at the SG and SF spots? Beal, KCP, Kispert, Deni, Hachimura, Bertāns?They prob would use Dinwiddie to UPGRADE their PG spot?
You left out Kuzma.
They do need PGs more. Their depths is more at the SF/PF - than the SG, but they can’t really move Dinwiddie without getting a starting PG back. Certainly thought I acknowledged that.
Assuming they have another way to solve that PG situation, you taking Dinwiddie for Fournier?
wargames wrote:I rather trade Fournier for expiring and picks
I don’t think that is an option. Who is making that trade?
Wiz are deep at wing? EF at 18mm per to be a backup seems steep unless they fancy trading Beal.
But not an awful ideal. I like EF and think he is moving about better. The shoulder seems better as is his shooting.
I’d Move grimes to the starting line up and being Redish off the bench. Dinwiddie contract for EF is a good demographic swap for us. I’d like kemba to be moved or bought out.
If OBI’s shot keeps getting better he can get to the rim more and now I can buy into a Randle exile. 50 some odd games after last seaosns “miracle” seems a bit rash? This season is a wash and long term i have to ask is Randle’s woes permanent or fixable on court?
Mitch seems to be a bit more offensive minded this month and physically dominant.
I suppose my tilt is to move Burks and Kemba. Alec gets hot and can bail us out but he is not my starter and I want more consistency. Off the bench we have more firepower with grimes (if he don’t start) and now redish. I can only stab at guesses to make this team click and understand its rare to have a mid season make over to starphuch upon.
Dinwiddie is interesting. I suppose now he is not a crypto whining Net he is welcome in the Garden?
EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:Wizards kinda loaded at the SG and SF spots? Beal, KCP, Kispert, Deni, Hachimura, Bertāns?They prob would use Dinwiddie to UPGRADE their PG spot?
You left out Kuzma.
They do need PGs more. Their depths is more at the SF/PF - than the SG, but they can’t really move Dinwiddie without getting a starting PG back. Certainly thought I acknowledged that.
Assuming they have another way to solve that PG situation, you taking Dinwiddie for Fournier?
Plus, they really need outside shooting. Well, they really need to trade Beasl and rebuild in earnest, but they're chasing that dragon like us. Hard to come down from that playoff high. I've thought about this trade too. Don't think Wiz go for it, but it's something to consider
knicks1248 wrote:wargames wrote:I rather trade Fournier for expiring and picks
I see your still stuck in the TANK mode Era
We should be thinking about a player equal to his level thats a better fit.
Not tank mode, play the kids and have cap space to go after Brunson who is the better player.
EwingsGlass wrote:wargames wrote:I rather trade Fournier for expiring and picks
I don’t think that is an option. Who is making that trade?
Two teams Cavs for Rubio or Utah for Ingles. Both are doable because both might want to make a playoff run and next years FA is generally bad. Brunson might be the best FA available under the age 35.
I’d consider. I’d be curious to see a Dinwiddie, Grimes, Barrett, Randle and Mitch starting 5. It would solve a lot of problems.
EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:Wizards kinda loaded at the SG and SF spots? Beal, KCP, Kispert, Deni, Hachimura, Bertāns?They prob would use Dinwiddie to UPGRADE their PG spot?
You left out Kuzma.
They do need PGs more. Their depths is more at the SF/PF - than the SG, but they can’t really move Dinwiddie without getting a starting PG back. Certainly thought I acknowledged that.
Assuming they have another way to solve that PG situation, you taking Dinwiddie for Fournier?
Realistically I don't know much or enough about Dinwiddie to answer that but probably no.
I don't even care for Fournier as a starter and think Clean and others have suggested he would be better coming off bench and long term that seems like the best fit. Founier can be a decent floor spacer but man he has some odd moments of ball handling, slow defense, TO's, etc. that you wouldn't expect from a starter. IDK if he has lost that much footwork or athleticism or just never had it.
I can barely describe what would be considered a System Player but feel like Fournier fits that mode. Like if he were plugged into the Steve Kerr role back with Spurs and Chicago, he would super excel. Move without ball, space and shoot when needed, never needs to carry or initiate an offense, just be an outlet. He'd be a really good 5th best player in a starting lineup or solid player off bench for 20 minutes.
As for the PG spot, I don't think the Knicks would trade for someone they don't think would be a step up in terms of team building. What does Dinwiddie really get you in the long term? Poor shooter, will never be a 3point spacer. Previous to this year Spencer went to the rim about 30% of the time, now it's down to 15% (maybe that has to do with WAS offense?). Dude is taking nearly half his shots from 3point land (number has increased this year) and making an abysmal ~30%. Does that mean he is settling or just the WAS offense? I don't know about his defense or real PG ability.
You add him to team (and maybe Kemba goes out), are you really upgrading team significantly enough or are you just taking away minutes from guys who you want to eventually see play in IQ, McBride and Rokas or someone else in offseason.
Knicks obviously have an immediate need at PG spot but is Dinwiddie really solving anything or just covering up something that'll keep coming back and then also creating a backlog where no one else can get minutes?
Don’t like it.
Isolation player coming off an injury on a big contract.
Fournier needs to be our sixth man, then he’s in the right position.
wargames wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:wargames wrote:I rather trade Fournier for expiring and picks
I don’t think that is an option. Who is making that trade?
Two teams Cavs for Rubio or Utah for Ingles. Both are doable because both might want to make a playoff run and next years FA is generally bad. Brunson might be the best FA available under the age 35.
Rubio out with ACL and Ingles went down perhaps with the same sunday night. Both are free agents. Ingles is 33. This likely does it for him as NBA player if confirmed. ITs crazy that Rubio is only 30 years old. This is his second ACL. Would think neither can be counted on for next season.
MS wrote:Don’t like it.Isolation player coming off an injury on a big contract.
Fournier needs to be our sixth man, then he’s in the right position.
Question is who replaces EF as a starter?
Nalod wrote:wargames wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:wargames wrote:I rather trade Fournier for expiring and picks
I don’t think that is an option. Who is making that trade?
Two teams Cavs for Rubio or Utah for Ingles. Both are doable because both might want to make a playoff run and next years FA is generally bad. Brunson might be the best FA available under the age 35.
Rubio out with ACL and Ingles went down perhaps with the same sunday night. Both are free agents. Ingles is 33. This likely does it for him as NBA player if confirmed. ITs crazy that Rubio is only 30 years old. This is his second ACL. Would think neither can be counted on for next season.
I think both Cavs and Utah would consider trying for a Fournier or (healthy) Rose type players, give or take the type of contract they are getting in return. Solid vets who could produce off bench and add some experience to their crew.
Now, what they would have to give up to make that happen is another story.
Nalod wrote:MS wrote:Don’t like it.Isolation player coming off an injury on a big contract.
Fournier needs to be our sixth man, then he’s in the right position.
Question is who replaces EF as a starter?
Easiest question in the world. GRIMES
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:MS wrote:Don’t like it.Isolation player coming off an injury on a big contract.
Fournier needs to be our sixth man, then he’s in the right position.
Question is who replaces EF as a starter?
Easiest question in the world. GRIMES
Who subs in for EF? There’s your answer.
Grimes slowly moving up the depth chart and his confidence is growing at the same speed. Thibs might be gun shy because when EF was out grimes started and later removed. I’m assuming he was pulled for 2 reasons, EF was back and Grimes instantly started to enter a shooting slump. Seems like everybody who was moved into the starting unit, their production instantly drops. Burks, IQ and Grimes. Put those guys back on the bench and their numbers increase. Look at last night. The starting 5 focused on increasing pace and they looked like a different team. Randle controls the pace for the starting unit.
But I believe if you pair IQ with grimes in the starting lineup, the pace will increase and grimes will be more impactful. Randle and RJ might have a higher TO rate but if this produces more wins, we ignore TOs. Rose is also someone that plays at a faster pace and could be why his impact was so important last year and will be this year. Randle adapts better to any pace and sucks at being the leader looked upon to lead a faster pace.
Im up for any PG moves that frees randle to get a few easier shots each game.
If EF is the trade bait perhaps I can go for that.
EF going to the rim is looking good and better than Grimes from more angles.
He also can create his own shot better.
I like Grimes off the bench.
We should credit Thibs for his work on the second unit. The contrast to the 1st ist here but he has had a hand in both!
Not loving IQ PG work YET. Its improving.
Shout out to RJ in the lane pass to Mitch last night for that Ally App in traffic. That was impressive! I'll take RJ's 21 year old/got the ball more/growing into a stud before our eyes turnovers.
Nalod wrote:Im up for any PG moves that frees randle to get a few easier shots each game.
If EF is the trade bait perhaps I can go for that.
EF going to the rim is looking good and better than Grimes from more angles.
He also can create his own shot better.
I like Grimes off the bench.
We should credit Thibs for his work on the second unit. The contrast to the 1st ist here but he has had a hand in both!
Not loving IQ PG work YET. Its improving. Shout out to RJ in the lane pass to Mitch last night for that Ally App in traffic. That was impressive! I'll take RJ's 21 year old/got the ball more/growing into a stud before our eyes turnovers.
Not loving IQ at point is fine. But not following that up with who you rather have, means you are fine with Kemba? I've never been a Kemba fan, as far as running a team. I always thought Kemba is a shooting guard, in a PG body.
IQ is a shooting guard, but he's 6'3 with long arms. vs Kemba might be 5'11 with short arms. Neither are ideal PGs but if you had to chose between the two, who you picking?
