foosballnick wrote:martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:If we could trade Randle and Fournier for Westbrook, that would be in our best interests. Obviously LA would have to be interested. Since they are in “win right this current second” mode then you’d think they would highly consider it.
I don't think Randle is a player I would want to necessarily build around - and everyone has a different version of "build around" - but you don't trade a player like him for Westbrook deadweight. It's just not a thing.
The Lakers wouldn’t build around Randle. Randle would finally have that alpha to put him in his place in LA and we would clear up his contract in a year and a half.
And the Lakers would also get a serious enough of a shooter. I would love more for Randle as much as anyone but I don’t think that’s possible now. If you can trade him in a salary dump and you have no other options, I think you have to do it.
Salary dump Randle? No f'ing way.
I don't think your understanding of player value is close to reality. This is coming from someone who doesn't really care for Randle.
So then how do you propose to proceed forward?
I am stealing this from ESPN. I would do both in a heartbeat.
Russell Westbrook, DeAndre Jordan, Wayne Ellington, 2027 Lakers 1st round pick top-14 protected FOR Kemba Walker, Evan Fournier, Alec Burks
and
Jalen Brunson FOR Immanuel Quickley, 2023 Dallas 1st round pick top-10 protected
How can the proposed Westbrook trade work form a Salary perspective because I'm calculating over $10 million difference in overall salaries?
Brunson - IQ Trade - is that assuming a sign and trade or is it risking he will still become a UFA?
You are correct. Maybe they add in Noel and Lakers add in Bazemore.
martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:If we could trade Randle and Fournier for Westbrook, that would be in our best interests. Obviously LA would have to be interested. Since they are in “win right this current second” mode then you’d think they would highly consider it.
I don't think Randle is a player I would want to necessarily build around - and everyone has a different version of "build around" - but you don't trade a player like him for Westbrook deadweight. It's just not a thing.
The Lakers wouldn’t build around Randle. Randle would finally have that alpha to put him in his place in LA and we would clear up his contract in a year and a half.
And the Lakers would also get a serious enough of a shooter. I would love more for Randle as much as anyone but I don’t think that’s possible now. If you can trade him in a salary dump and you have no other options, I think you have to do it.
Salary dump Randle? No f'ing way.
I don't think your understanding of player value is close to reality. This is coming from someone who doesn't really care for Randle.
So then how do you propose to proceed forward?
I am stealing this from ESPN. I would do both in a heartbeat.
Russell Westbrook, DeAndre Jordan, Wayne Ellington, 2027 Lakers 1st round pick top-14 protected FOR Kemba Walker, Evan Fournier, Alec Burks
and
Jalen Brunson FOR Immanuel Quickley, 2023 Dallas 1st round pick top-10 protected
The problem with all Russell Westbrook trades such as this is that (aside from Walker) you are trading some very decent players for spent bodies who do nothing but further clutter the already crowded roster.
Westbrook is a player who, once he's bought out, would be a worthwhile veteran addition assuuming we aren't in full tank mode (and boy am I sick of chasing lottery picks).
I think that pursuing Brunson makes a lot of sense even if we grossly overpay. We have needed a PG forever and simply filling this glaring deficiency would go a long, long way in remediating what is wrong here.
Dallas may want to dump a contract on us as part of any Brunson deal but a best case scenario would reroute Bullock our way - a key chemistry deficiency.
Just noting that Randles contract seems to match with Brogdon's. i thought i read they can't move Brogdon now but maybe something for future musing
I'm not a fan of Brogdon at that price. He's a good player but 20/year definitely impacts things. ANd then again i am not a fan of Randle 2022 version at his price either
martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:If we could trade Randle and Fournier for Westbrook, that would be in our best interests. Obviously LA would have to be interested. Since they are in “win right this current second” mode then you’d think they would highly consider it.
I don't think Randle is a player I would want to necessarily build around - and everyone has a different version of "build around" - but you don't trade a player like him for Westbrook deadweight. It's just not a thing.
The Lakers wouldn’t build around Randle. Randle would finally have that alpha to put him in his place in LA and we would clear up his contract in a year and a half.
And the Lakers would also get a serious enough of a shooter. I would love more for Randle as much as anyone but I don’t think that’s possible now. If you can trade him in a salary dump and you have no other options, I think you have to do it.
Salary dump Randle? No f'ing way.
I don't think your understanding of player value is close to reality. This is coming from someone who doesn't really care for Randle.
So then how do you propose to proceed forward?
I am stealing this from ESPN. I would do both in a heartbeat.
Russell Westbrook, DeAndre Jordan, Wayne Ellington, 2027 Lakers 1st round pick top-14 protected FOR Kemba Walker, Evan Fournier, Alec Burks
and
Jalen Brunson FOR Immanuel Quickley, 2023 Dallas 1st round pick top-10 protected
Where do I sign. I like these deals for all teams involved.
martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:martin wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:If we could trade Randle and Fournier for Westbrook, that would be in our best interests. Obviously LA would have to be interested. Since they are in “win right this current second” mode then you’d think they would highly consider it.
I don't think Randle is a player I would want to necessarily build around - and everyone has a different version of "build around" - but you don't trade a player like him for Westbrook deadweight. It's just not a thing.
The Lakers wouldn’t build around Randle. Randle would finally have that alpha to put him in his place in LA and we would clear up his contract in a year and a half.
And the Lakers would also get a serious enough of a shooter. I would love more for Randle as much as anyone but I don’t think that’s possible now. If you can trade him in a salary dump and you have no other options, I think you have to do it.
Salary dump Randle? No f'ing way.
I don't think your understanding of player value is close to reality. This is coming from someone who doesn't really care for Randle.
So then how do you propose to proceed forward?
I am stealing this from ESPN. I would do both in a heartbeat.
Russell Westbrook, DeAndre Jordan, Wayne Ellington, 2027 Lakers 1st round pick top-14 protected FOR Kemba Walker, Evan Fournier, Alec Burks
and
Jalen Brunson FOR Immanuel Quickley, 2023 Dallas 1st round pick top-10 protected
I'd do Brunson gor IQ and the 2023 Dallas pick, because I cannot take not having a starting calibre Pg anymore!- it ruins everything, it makes it harder to get the best out of developing players, it pushes vets into spots they're not comfortable with, it makes the coach look bad because they can't draw up any plays or run any offense in crunch time.
The Westbrook trade I think has a good chance of happening, simply because of all the talk of us wanting to dump those salaries and no one being interested. I would insist in the pick being unprotected however, and even then I would likely not do it!
I've been as annoyed as everyone else, but we need to cool it with the Randle criticism. The reality is, he's not going anywhere this deadline, and he's been playing better the last few games. If we all just stop focusing on all the s*** he'd been doing, pretend to support him, let him have a second half of the season resurgence (think he's played better the second half of the season in the past- did with the pelicans, and his first year here). See if he can increase his value, and then see if we can move him in the offseason once cooler heads have prevailed. Maybe he it takes away the urgency to trade him even then.
smackeddog wrote:I've been as annoyed as everyone else, but we need to cool it with the Randle criticism. The reality is, he's not going anywhere this deadline, and he's been playing better the last few games. If we all just stop focusing on all the s*** he'd been doing, pretend to support him, let him have a second half of the season resurgence (think he's played better the second half of the season in the past- did with the pelicans, and his first year here). See if he can increase his value, and then see if we can move him in the offseason once cooler heads have prevailed. Maybe he it takes away the urgency to trade him even then.
Yea, I have given up on a Randle deal now that Fox is off the table. I will never like his playstyle but I can live with him if he keeps up the energy level he has had the last few games.
Does anybody really think this FO will make a Trade by tomorrow, because i sure don't.
knicks1248 wrote:Does anybody really think this FO will make a Trade by tomorrow, because i sure don't.
Sometimes making the right trade can take longer than making any trade. This FO only makes moves that are in our favor. There's pros and cons to that approach. Just look at Philly waiting for optimal time to trade Ben Simons. The good is they get a great return. The bad is they get no return. The knicks FO is the same way. If a trade is not available, that improves the team, they rather not make a trade at all. Doesn't mean they can't buy out Kemba and twist Thibs arm to move vets to the bench in favor of Grimes and other rookies. So be patient. We shall see very soon.
knicks1248 wrote:
I legit think they are the dumbest FO in the league
Depending on the deal we might be able to right another mistake. I am interested in learning more about Cam but I am not high on him at all.
Clean wrote:
Depending on the deal we might be able to right another mistake. I am interested in learning more about Cam but I am not high on him at all.
I said in the other threads I think the Knicks would rather have the pick they just traded then cam. The whole thing makes no sense. We traded one semi bust for some other teams semi bust. But we Paid them good draft pick!!!!!!!!!!! It’s like buying a car getting it home and relishing it for 7/10 on the dollar. The first second he didn’t play was a WTF is this moment. All this exude shit is just that. First rd pick 3.5 years in and u don’t play him????
Clean wrote:
Depending on the deal we might be able to right another mistake. I am interested in learning more about Cam but I am not high on him at all.
Low on Cam for nyk. He just doesn’t seem to care about substance, only flash. We need players who will put the hustle in.
Clean wrote:
Depending on the deal we might be able to right another mistake. I am interested in learning more about Cam but I am not high on him at all.
I’m sure he won’t be moved but always have to listen to all offers and conversations.
BRIGGS wrote:Clean wrote:
Depending on the deal we might be able to right another mistake. I am interested in learning more about Cam but I am not high on him at all.
I said in the other threads I think the Knicks would rather have the pick they just traded then cam. The whole thing makes no sense. We traded one semi bust for some other teams semi bust. But we Paid them good draft pick!!!!!!!!!!! It’s like buying a car getting it home and relishing it for 7/10 on the dollar. The first second he didn’t play was a WTF is this moment. All this exude shit is just that. First rd pick 3.5 years in and u don’t play him????
This was always going to be a move about next year. They want to get him integrated and with the team in the offseason. They want to focus on building chemistry around Barrett. You’re reading way too much into the rumors and looking at the current situation.
Knixkik wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Clean wrote:
Depending on the deal we might be able to right another mistake. I am interested in learning more about Cam but I am not high on him at all.
I said in the other threads I think the Knicks would rather have the pick they just traded then cam. The whole thing makes no sense. We traded one semi bust for some other teams semi bust. But we Paid them good draft pick!!!!!!!!!!! It’s like buying a car getting it home and relishing it for 7/10 on the dollar. The first second he didn’t play was a WTF is this moment. All this exude shit is just that. First rd pick 3.5 years in and u don’t play him????
This was always going to be a move about next year. They want to get him integrated and with the team in the offseason. They want to focus on building chemistry around Barrett. You’re reading way too much into the rumors and looking at the current situation.
I'm in this boat. I agree at the moment he looks lost but so too does Obi at points when we stick him in a corner, and so too does IQ when running the point
Clear take aways. He is legitimately long. He can shoot FTs which is always welcom. He seems like a great kid (not until the trade did anyone hear that he wanted out of Atlanta).
We migth not see a return on that investment this year, but it suggests to me they want Cam at 3, RJ at 2 and EF some other team
We can't fix this mess in one season or with one trade
Ah, so according to that hawks board, Blazers plan seems to be to make a run at Ayton with a max offer in the offseason (makes their moves make a bit more sense)- Suns don’t seem to want to offer him that. Hawks also are hoping to get him in the offseason but via a trade.
Amazing how NBA fans were saying Portland was landlocked and can't do a thing.
Some around here are digesting blogs, internalizing the rage, and thinking we can't possibly create cap space or opportunity.
Because we don't have a great history of it?
Brock Aller is just getting started. Lets see if he flips cam into something more. Maybe by tomorow, maybe not.
But I doubt we are aimless stooges with no direction.
PHX can match what portland offers. Maybe they sign and trade with Nurik. Maybe we do it with Mitch? Maybe Portland can get it done.
Leon savvy team of Perry, Rosas, WWW, Aller, and Zanic vs. UK "worriers". Id rather we do nothing then do something stupid.
Chandler wrote:Just noting that Randles contract seems to match with Brogdon's. i thought i read they can't move Brogdon now but maybe something for future musingI'm not a fan of Brogdon at that price. He's a good player but 20/year definitely impacts things. ANd then again i am not a fan of Randle 2022 version at his price either
That trade is a no brainer. Brogdon’s contract is up after next season, he’s a pg which we need and he’s good. His 3pt % is way down this year but so it is for our entire roster
Problem is nobody wants Randle’s contract. Definitely not the pacers
Clean wrote:
Depending on the deal we might be able to right another mistake. I am interested in learning more about Cam but I am not high on him at all.
Thibs hates him apparently. Maybe we can get a pick or use him to sweeten the pot to dump EF/Burks or Randle
