This is my problem with Fournier. Yeah, it shows him in the worst possible light, but a corner three airball that isn't a particularly good shot cause he is off balance and falling away from the defense. He is incapable of getting back and easily loses a footrace against Ben McLemore for an easy uncontested dunk. Its a bad shot that gives up an easy fast break. And you see the rest of the Knicks collectively drop their shoulders. What ensues is among the worst collapses of our season against a team that gutted itself two days earlier.
Its not good basketball.
franco12@ 2/14/2022 1:54 PM
I thought we had signed the 2nd coming of Kobe Bryant. I am shocked and disappointed.
Fournier has grown on me. Is he perfect, no. But he is a pretty good shooter. And he seems to have tried to step up, and that is all you can ask players to do.
He's not great on defense. But he alone is not the reason we're losing games. That is a team thing.
Our biggest issue is the lack of reliable PG play, and if you want to blame anyone for that, it's partly on the front office. Going into the season with Kemba and Rose was asking for trouble and we got it.
HofstraBBall@ 2/14/2022 3:26 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:I'm starting to think NYKMentality isn't a fan of Fournier...
He lives in my mind rent free.
I'm 36. The other day I played pick up ball at our local park. I got crossed over by a high school kid. Evan Fournier's face immediately came to mind.
Here is the video. Btw, the guy that crossed you was 50!
VDesai@ 2/14/2022 3:30 PM
Knicks gave all their guys the green light to shoot 3's this year. They seem to have actively asked Fournier to take the step backs. The team just isn't that good at shooting 3's. Fournier's not the problem in that regard given he actually hits them. If you shot a lot of them you're gonna have some variability like this occasionally.
WOODMANnYk@ 2/14/2022 3:59 PM
A lot of factors played out as to why we lost this game. The bencch disappeared in the beginning of the 4th qtr so thibs threw back the starters which I didnt agree with. Take out Quickley who stunk up the place and go small ball having Toppin play center for a short time. Burks, Reddish, Toppin, Grimes and Kemba on the floor while Randle, Fournier and Taj get a bit more rest on the bench.. Losing MitchRob hurt us big time and most importanly not having Barrett for this game hurt us big time cause kemba or Burks couldnt hold Simons in the 4th qtr. He kept hitting his 3's right in their face. Fournier is a lethal shooter who spaces the floor and makes it difficult for the defense to defend. He needs the ball sponnfed to him so he can get into a rhythm.. Once he gets into a flow, lights out!
jskinny35@ 2/14/2022 6:47 PM
WOODMANnYk wrote:A lot of factors played out as to why we lost this game. The bencch disappeared in the beginning of the 4th qtr so thibs threw back the starters which I didnt agree with. Take out Quickley who stunk up the place and go small ball having Toppin play center for a short time. Burks, Reddish, Toppin, Grimes and Kemba on the floor while Randle, Fournier and Taj get a bit more rest on the bench.. Losing MitchRob hurt us big time and most importanly not having Barrett for this game hurt us big time cause kemba or Burks couldnt hold Simons in the 4th qtr. He kept hitting his 3's right in their face. Fournier is a lethal shooter who spaces the floor and makes it difficult for the defense to defend. He needs the ball sponnfed to him so he can get into a rhythm.. Once he gets into a flow, lights out!
That's true and understated about Fournier - while he's inconsistent he is maybe the only Knick that really shoots lights out when he gets on a roll. We have a lot of guys that are erratic and can get hot - but Fournier seems to do this to a higher level IMO. If he were our 6th man - we'd all love him and be talking about how he should maybe start. He's really a fringe starter/6th man but in a higher role because we stink.
Nalod@ 2/14/2022 9:57 PM
EF in 4th quarter saving the team. why they can’t put away the Thunder is beyond comprehension.
HoustonSprewell84@ 2/14/2022 10:22 PM
Nalod wrote:EF in 4th quarter saving the team. why they can’t put away the Thunder is beyond comprehension.
Thibs somehow thinks it’s smart to let a Burks finish games, when the offense runs better with Kemba starting the 3rd. I don’t get it.
NYKMentality@ 2/14/2022 10:25 PM
Nalod wrote:EF in 4th quarter saving the team. why they can;t put away the Thunder is beyond comprehension.
I couldn't care less about his "29 points" tonight.
Did you not see what OKCs Wings Did to his atrocious Defense?
Bazley @ SF dropped 23 points and Giddey dropped 28 points @ SG (they both tortured him) and EF only had 4 rebounds while those 2 guys got 19 boards.
fans only look at "shooting" and ignore his atrocious DEFENSE and ignore his embarrassing lack of rebounding ability.
He's a stiff man.
HofstraBBall@ 2/14/2022 10:44 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
Nalod wrote:EF in 4th quarter saving the team. why they can;t put away the Thunder is beyond comprehension.
I couldn't care less about his "29 points" tonight.
Did you not see what OKCs Wings Did to his atrocious Defense?
Bazley @ SF dropped 23 points and Giddey dropped 28 points @ SG (they both tortured him) and EF only had 4 rebounds while those 2 guys got 19 boards.
fans only look at "shooting" and ignore his atrocious DEFENSE and ignore his embarrassing lack of rebounding ability.
He's a stiff man.
Your tired. Time for another "I quit" thread. Counting on EF for boards? lmao. btw, EF had a big board during crunch time. And played more defense than your boy. The funny thing is that in reality EF is very limited. Yet he outplayed Randle down the stretch and has been more clutch. But you probably missed the last 5 minutes of EVERY game this year.
You homerism has made many of us see the light.
NYKMentality@ 2/14/2022 10:51 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
Nalod wrote:EF in 4th quarter saving the team. why they can;t put away the Thunder is beyond comprehension.
I couldn't care less about his "29 points" tonight.
Did you not see what OKCs Wings Did to his atrocious Defense?
Bazley @ SF dropped 23 points and Giddey dropped 28 points @ SG (they both tortured him) and EF only had 4 rebounds while those 2 guys got 19 boards.
fans only look at "shooting" and ignore his atrocious DEFENSE and ignore his embarrassing lack of rebounding ability.
He's a stiff man.
Your tired. Time for another "I quit" thread. Counting on EF for boards? lmao. btw, EF had a big board during crunch time. And played more defense than your boy. The funny thing is that in reality EF is very limited. Yet he outplayed Randle down the stretch and has been more clutch. But you probably missed the last 5 minutes of EVERY game this year.
You homerism has made many of us see the light.
"My boy" Julius Randle was an All-Star last year before getting stuck and ruined by your two favorites Kemba Walker and Evan Fournier.
Nalod@ 2/14/2022 11:00 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
Nalod wrote:EF in 4th quarter saving the team. why they can;t put away the Thunder is beyond comprehension.
I couldn't care less about his "29 points" tonight.
Did you not see what OKCs Wings Did to his atrocious Defense?
Bazley @ SF dropped 23 points and Giddey dropped 28 points @ SG (they both tortured him) and EF only had 4 rebounds while those 2 guys got 19 boards.
fans only look at "shooting" and ignore his atrocious DEFENSE and ignore his embarrassing lack of rebounding ability.
He's a stiff man.
Your tired. Time for another "I quit" thread. Counting on EF for boards? lmao. btw, EF had a big board during crunch time. And played more defense than your boy. The funny thing is that in reality EF is very limited. Yet he outplayed Randle down the stretch and has been more clutch. But you probably missed the last 5 minutes of EVERY game this year.
You homerism has made many of us see the light.
EF defense was very good in the 4th.
jskinny35@ 2/14/2022 11:02 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
Nalod wrote:EF in 4th quarter saving the team. why they can;t put away the Thunder is beyond comprehension.
I couldn't care less about his "29 points" tonight.
Did you not see what OKCs Wings Did to his atrocious Defense?
Bazley @ SF dropped 23 points and Giddey dropped 28 points @ SG (they both tortured him) and EF only had 4 rebounds while those 2 guys got 19 boards.
fans only look at "shooting" and ignore his atrocious DEFENSE and ignore his embarrassing lack of rebounding ability.
He's a stiff man.
And yet you ignore Randle's 7 turnovers, so so defense and pace killing play... both are flawed players but both are being put in positions that are not ideal and that's mostly on the coach
NYKMentality@ 2/14/2022 11:04 PM
Nalod wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
Nalod wrote:EF in 4th quarter saving the team. why they can;t put away the Thunder is beyond comprehension.
I couldn't care less about his "29 points" tonight.
Did you not see what OKCs Wings Did to his atrocious Defense?
Bazley @ SF dropped 23 points and Giddey dropped 28 points @ SG (they both tortured him) and EF only had 4 rebounds while those 2 guys got 19 boards.
fans only look at "shooting" and ignore his atrocious DEFENSE and ignore his embarrassing lack of rebounding ability.
He's a stiff man.
Your tired. Time for another "I quit" thread. Counting on EF for boards? lmao. btw, EF had a big board during crunch time. And played more defense than your boy. The funny thing is that in reality EF is very limited. Yet he outplayed Randle down the stretch and has been more clutch. But you probably missed the last 5 minutes of EVERY game this year.
You homerism has made many of us see the light.
EF defense was very good in the 4th.
No it wasn't.
Please give me multiple examples of "very good D in the 4th".
He made 1 good Defensive play on an inbounds play.
He got used and abused throughout the entire game with awful Defense.
There's a reason why all 3 of Denver, Orlando and Boston all wanted absolutely nothingness to do with him.
I'll admit. Julius Randle isn't the same player he was last year. But his Front Office failed him with an F- Offseason.
martin@ 2/14/2022 11:13 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
Nalod wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
Nalod wrote:EF in 4th quarter saving the team. why they can;t put away the Thunder is beyond comprehension.
I couldn't care less about his "29 points" tonight.
Did you not see what OKCs Wings Did to his atrocious Defense?
Bazley @ SF dropped 23 points and Giddey dropped 28 points @ SG (they both tortured him) and EF only had 4 rebounds while those 2 guys got 19 boards.
fans only look at "shooting" and ignore his atrocious DEFENSE and ignore his embarrassing lack of rebounding ability.
He's a stiff man.
Your tired. Time for another "I quit" thread. Counting on EF for boards? lmao. btw, EF had a big board during crunch time. And played more defense than your boy. The funny thing is that in reality EF is very limited. Yet he outplayed Randle down the stretch and has been more clutch. But you probably missed the last 5 minutes of EVERY game this year.
You homerism has made many of us see the light.
EF defense was very good in the 4th.
No it wasn't.
Please give me multiple examples of "very good D in the 4th".
He made 1 good Defensive play on an inbounds play.
He got used and abused throughout the entire game with awful Defense.
There's a reason why all 3 of Denver, Orlando and Boston all wanted absolutely nothingness to do with him.
I'll admit. Julius Randle isn't the same player he was last year. But his Front Office failed him with an F- Offseason.
Is this like middle school level arguments? Evan wasn't wanted by Denver, Orlando, Boston?
When you are trying to make a point re Randle who was a #6 pick and was literally shown the door by LA and Pelicans?
This your Be Best argument?
jrodmc@ 2/15/2022 9:12 AM
martin wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
Nalod wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
Nalod wrote:EF in 4th quarter saving the team. why they can;t put away the Thunder is beyond comprehension.
I couldn't care less about his "29 points" tonight.
Did you not see what OKCs Wings Did to his atrocious Defense?
Bazley @ SF dropped 23 points and Giddey dropped 28 points @ SG (they both tortured him) and EF only had 4 rebounds while those 2 guys got 19 boards.
fans only look at "shooting" and ignore his atrocious DEFENSE and ignore his embarrassing lack of rebounding ability.
He's a stiff man.
Your tired. Time for another "I quit" thread. Counting on EF for boards? lmao. btw, EF had a big board during crunch time. And played more defense than your boy. The funny thing is that in reality EF is very limited. Yet he outplayed Randle down the stretch and has been more clutch. But you probably missed the last 5 minutes of EVERY game this year.
You homerism has made many of us see the light.
EF defense was very good in the 4th.
No it wasn't.
Please give me multiple examples of "very good D in the 4th".
He made 1 good Defensive play on an inbounds play.
He got used and abused throughout the entire game with awful Defense.
There's a reason why all 3 of Denver, Orlando and Boston all wanted absolutely nothingness to do with him.
I'll admit. Julius Randle isn't the same player he was last year. But his Front Office failed him with an F- Offseason.
Is this like middle school level arguments? Evan wasn't wanted by Denver, Orlando, Boston?
When you are trying to make a point re Randle who was a #6 pick and was literally shown the door by LA and Pelicans?
This your Be Best argument?
Well it beats the hell out of showing one game shooting %'s in bold. Or maybe not.
Personally, I think the "I see Evan when I suck at pickup D" to be the highlight killer argument.
fishmike@ 2/15/2022 10:05 AM
Oh look! Fournier dropped 29 points on 18 shots, 5 rebs, 4 assists and didnt have a turn over.
BUT
He was -1
BOOOOOHHHHHAAAAA finally the liability this guy is shows up in the +/- !!!!!!
jrodmc@ 2/15/2022 10:55 AM
Evan Fournier = 6/13 (.462) from 3 @ MSG
But whenever I don't manage to get a block pinned on the glass against my 5 year old grandson, I scream EVVVVVVVVVVVVVVANNNNNNNNNN!!!!!
HofstraBBall@ 2/15/2022 10:59 AM
NYKMentality wrote:
Nalod wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
Nalod wrote:EF in 4th quarter saving the team. why they can;t put away the Thunder is beyond comprehension.
I couldn't care less about his "29 points" tonight.
Did you not see what OKCs Wings Did to his atrocious Defense?
Bazley @ SF dropped 23 points and Giddey dropped 28 points @ SG (they both tortured him) and EF only had 4 rebounds while those 2 guys got 19 boards.
fans only look at "shooting" and ignore his atrocious DEFENSE and ignore his embarrassing lack of rebounding ability.
He's a stiff man.
Your tired. Time for another "I quit" thread. Counting on EF for boards? lmao. btw, EF had a big board during crunch time. And played more defense than your boy. The funny thing is that in reality EF is very limited. Yet he outplayed Randle down the stretch and has been more clutch. But you probably missed the last 5 minutes of EVERY game this year.
You homerism has made many of us see the light.
EF defense was very good in the 4th.
No it wasn't.
Please give me multiple examples of "very good D in the 4th".
He made 1 good Defensive play on an inbounds play.
He got used and abused throughout the entire game with awful Defense.
There's a reason why all 3 of Denver, Orlando and Boston all wanted absolutely nothingness to do with him.
I'll admit. Julius Randle isn't the same player he was last year. But his Front Office failed him with an F- Offseason.
Great counter.
Why would anyone waste their time showing you examples? Especially with your homer blinders on and constant need to take attention away from Randle's shortcomings. Btw, Randle would like you to stop supporting him. You are making fans go against him due to your excessive homerism. Fact is Randle has been playing better but has been terrible during crunch time of close games. If you left it at that and stopped trying to shift accountability there would be no pushback here. NO ONE here is saying EF is a top level player. EVERYONE here wants Randle to get back to level he was playing at last year. MOST here root for ALL of the Knicks players and just want this team to be successful.
