smackeddog wrote:oof, terrible night for the tank- the win over the blazers pretty much assures we ain't finishing with a worse record than them. We're now essentially tied at 10th/11th/12th with the Lakers and Wiz- both of which look dead in the water. We'll likely finish the season at 12th in the tankathon standings, which is pretty much the worst place you can be in.Lakers look beyond terrible- they've clearly quit, looking at their schedule it's hard to see them winning any more games- what a weird turn of events.
You're right - I think we are a lock on 12.
we play the wizards 2 more times- tomorrow night and then again April 8th. The Wizards play the lakers 1x and then they play Detroit and Houston.
12th slot = 7.1% for a top 4 pick, 1.5% for the top pick.
If there was ever a year for us to make up for all the times we made a stupid trade of a draft pick that went lottery for another franchise or we fell back or won meaningless games, it is this year.
Swishfm3 wrote:franco12 wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:99% of anyone who says they wanted Mitchell over Frank is full of it. They wanted DSJ, sure...and as I recall Knox was the popular pick at the time. I personally wanted Halliburton but Obi wasn't insane where we took him. But revisionist Knicks bashing is always in season.
Pacers are 4-11 since trading for Halliburton. Yes he’s way better than Obi and the pacers have other problems but I think he’s gotten a little bit overrated just because the Knicks passed on him
and we were shocked when Sactown traded him and not Fox. I guess they knew better. But then it looks like they are a very similar 4 & 12 since the trade.
He's only averaging 20 and 10 since the trade to the Pacers, but you're all right. Overrated.
And DSJ was a stat box filler until he came to the Knicks and was totally exposed
Philc1 wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:franco12 wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:99% of anyone who says they wanted Mitchell over Frank is full of it. They wanted DSJ, sure...and as I recall Knox was the popular pick at the time. I personally wanted Halliburton but Obi wasn't insane where we took him. But revisionist Knicks bashing is always in season.
Pacers are 4-11 since trading for Halliburton. Yes he’s way better than Obi and the pacers have other problems but I think he’s gotten a little bit overrated just because the Knicks passed on him
and we were shocked when Sactown traded him and not Fox. I guess they knew better. But then it looks like they are a very similar 4 & 12 since the trade.
He's only averaging 20 and 10 since the trade to the Pacers, but you're all right. Overrated.
And DSJ was a stat box filler until he came to the Knicks and was totally exposed
I think you should look at those numbers again and not focus so much on just PPG
After one season of winning, we are back to the normal routine. Suck throughout most of the season and then win just enough games in the last 15 games to screw up our draft position. I am glad the Knicks we know are back. LoL
Can we win the lottery at least once dammit!! Ivey would solve our PG problems.
To be fair, they all shot like s*** last night, and tried a patented 4th Q collapse but we still somehow won. Awful! We're screwed now tank-wise
Better night for the tank- Spurs win, we lose, Pelicans win. We're now in essentially a 4 way tie with the lakers pelicans and Wizards, filling in spots 9 through 12. Think 9 is probably the best we can finish at, 12th the worst and most likely.
smackeddog wrote:Better night for the tank- Spurs win, we lose, Pelicans win. We're now in essentially a 4 way tie with the lakers pelicans and Wizards, filling in spots 9 through 12. Think 9 is probably the best we can finish at, 12th the worst and most likely.
Not the tank commander we need down the stretch, but the one we deserve 
All tanking will do now is teach our young players how to lose.
8, 9, 10, 11, 12, who cares?! Just pick the right guy! It was infuriating last night to see Donovan Mitchell and realizing we took that turd Frank ahead of him!
SergioNYK wrote:8, 9, 10, 11, 12, who cares?! Just pick the right guy! It was infuriating last night to see Donovan Mitchell and realizing we took that turd Frank ahead of him!
I wanted Mitchell because of his Mets connection- figuring his exposre to NYC would help him with performing on the big stage- no idea he would step up and exceed expectations. We can get him when he is over 30 and on his way out of the league.
KnickDanger wrote:
All tanking will do now is teach our young players how to lose.
not true. But having Randle bitch and moan and get in to fights with other players is not setting the right example for our younger players.
franco12 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:
All tanking will do now is teach our young players how to lose.
not true. But having Randle bitch and moan and get in to fights with other players is not setting the right example for our younger players.
Okay, first off, what would you describe as "tanking?" Trying to lose? Throwing games? That's illegal I think. But even if you could at this point how do you improve your position against even worse teams? You want to go from the 12th pick to maybe the 11th or 10th? What does that entail? And again, what does that say and do to young players?
And congratulations, you found another opportunity to s#!t on Randle! But that has nothing to do with my point.
KnickDanger wrote:franco12 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:
All tanking will do now is teach our young players how to lose.
not true. But having Randle bitch and moan and get in to fights with other players is not setting the right example for our younger players.
Okay, first off, what would you describe as "tanking?" Trying to lose? Throwing games? That's illegal I think. But even if you could at this point how do you improve your position against even worse teams? You want to go from the 12th pick to maybe the 11th or 10th? What does that entail? And again, what does that say and do to young players?
And congratulations, you found another opportunity to s#!t on Randle! But that has nothing to do with my point.
Your point is losing creates bad habits. My point is teams lose all the time, but not every player bitches and moans about calls like Randle does, and that behavior is worse than losing. Because you can lose and feel you tried, or you can lose and not hold yourself to account, but blame others, push away the video assistant showing you where you made a mistake during the game. You can loaf about on defense, dribble blindly into traffic. That is not doing anything but calling out observe behavior as potentially detrimental to our young players.
If we add some talent in the off season through a trade or draft, and this team starts the season playing like they have of late, then we'll be back in the hunt for a play off spot.
franco12 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:franco12 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:
All tanking will do now is teach our young players how to lose.
not true. But having Randle bitch and moan and get in to fights with other players is not setting the right example for our younger players.
Okay, first off, what would you describe as "tanking?" Trying to lose? Throwing games? That's illegal I think. But even if you could at this point how do you improve your position against even worse teams? You want to go from the 12th pick to maybe the 11th or 10th? What does that entail? And again, what does that say and do to young players?
And congratulations, you found another opportunity to s#!t on Randle! But that has nothing to do with my point.
Your point is losing creates bad habits. My point is teams lose all the time, but not every player bitches and moans about calls like Randle does, and that behavior is worse than losing. Because you can lose and feel you tried, or you can lose and not hold yourself to account, but blame others, push away the video assistant showing you where you made a mistake during the game. You can loaf about on defense, dribble blindly into traffic. That is not doing anything but calling out observe behavior as potentially detrimental to our young players.
If we add some talent in the off season through a trade or draft, and this team starts the season playing like they have of late, then we'll be back in the hunt for a play off spot.
Where our points converge is the concept of "culture." A tenuous thing. I will agree I prefer players that do not piss and moan. And hit their foul shots. And make the extra pass. And....
More talent -- we completely agree!
KnickDanger wrote:All tanking will do now is teach our young players how to lose.
Lol, like they haven’t learned that already from watching our vets play in the 4th Q
Blazers have quite a challenging tank schedule they face:
Spurs three times
Rockets twice
Pelicans twice
OKC twice
Yowzer!
Lakers face pelicans twice and OKC once, the rest bare all good to great teams
Wizards just have us once and Pistons once and magic once, the rest are all good teams
Pelicans face:
Spurs once
Blazers twice
Lakers twice
Kings once
Spurs face:
Blazers three times
Pelicans once
Knicks face:
Hawks
Hornets twice
Heat
Pistons
Bulls
Cavs
Magic
Nets
Wiz
Raptors
Swishfm3 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:franco12 wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:99% of anyone who says they wanted Mitchell over Frank is full of it. They wanted DSJ, sure...and as I recall Knox was the popular pick at the time. I personally wanted Halliburton but Obi wasn't insane where we took him. But revisionist Knicks bashing is always in season.
Pacers are 4-11 since trading for Halliburton. Yes he’s way better than Obi and the pacers have other problems but I think he’s gotten a little bit overrated just because the Knicks passed on him
and we were shocked when Sactown traded him and not Fox. I guess they knew better. But then it looks like they are a very similar 4 & 12 since the trade.
He's only averaging 20 and 10 since the trade to the Pacers, but you're all right. Overrated.
And DSJ was a stat box filler until he came to the Knicks and was totally exposed
I think you should look at those numbers again and not focus so much on just PPG
Last I checked Dennis smith jr was barely still in the nba
I’m not saying Halliburton is as bad as DSJ but people need to relax with the hype he’s not the second coming of Oscar Robertson either
TheGame wrote:After one season of winning, we are back to the normal routine. Suck throughout most of the season and then win just enough games in the last 15 games to screw up our draft position. I am glad the Knicks we know are back. LoLCan we win the lottery at least once dammit!! Ivey would solve our PG problems.
We don’t even need to win the lottery. If we get the third pick overall like we did with RJ he’s ours. I think Smith, Holmgren or Banchero are going 1-2
