The FO has some real tough questions to face in the offseason. With the way both Obi and IQ are playing together, their chemistry is just at a high level. Not only does the Knicks ck have to evaluate Obi as a potential starter but also IQ. Do they think IQ is ready to stir the ship next year if its a yes, i think i want to just sign an insurance back up PG like Rubio and hopefully they can continue that the are building at the end of this season.
Jimbo5 wrote:The FO has some real tough questions to face in the offseason. With the way both Obi and IQ are playing together, their chemistry is just at a high level. Not only does the Knicks ck have to evaluate Obi as a potential starter but also IQ. Do they think IQ is ready to stir the ship next year if its a yes, i think i want to just sign an insurance back up PG like Rubio and hopefully they can continue that the are building at the end of this season.
That is my view. I don't want to commit $18-$20 mil to Brunson, and I think it will take that much to pry him from Dallas. Stay the course and trust that Quickley and Toppin will continue to improve. Sign a journeyman back PG like a Rubio or Rondo, and see how this season plays out. At the very least, Quickley and Toppin will be good trade chips for a major trade at the deadline.
martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:TPercy wrote:fishmike wrote:yeah a Brunson thread.No.
He's not trash, but he's a low impact player. All this does is kick the can down the road. You might get short term boost in PG but you spend to get him here. NO NO NO NO.
Both McBride and Quickly have higher upside than this guy. Why do we want to lock ourselves into mediocrity?
Dunno about Mcbride
I’d rather keep Mitch and trade for Dinwiddie. Mark Cuban likes our players so for Dinwiddie it would probably just cost Burks, Noel and a future 2nd rounder
Dallas is playing so much better with Dinwiddie, Brunson, Doncic than with KP. Why they giving up Dinwiddie?
Because cuban is about to resign Brunson to a big extension and dinwiddie was only brought in as insurance in case the deal didn’t get done
Knixkik wrote:Have to wonder if the front office considers a Randle for Brunson and Bullock type trade in the offseason if Brunson wants to come. Knicks definitely play faster and looser without Randle, and Brunson can really bring an extra level out of Barrett and Toppin. But I believe he can also do the same for Randle. So we will see. Randle would likely welcome a trade back home to Dallas if he and the Knicks part ways and the Mavericks might see a fit with Doncic.
I’d do that trade in a nanosecond but I don’t know if the Mavs would. Strangely enough however, I think Randle would actually help them
Philc1 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Have to wonder if the front office considers a Randle for Brunson and Bullock type trade in the offseason if Brunson wants to come. Knicks definitely play faster and looser without Randle, and Brunson can really bring an extra level out of Barrett and Toppin. But I believe he can also do the same for Randle. So we will see. Randle would likely welcome a trade back home to Dallas if he and the Knicks part ways and the Mavericks might see a fit with Doncic.
I’d do that trade in a nanosecond but I don’t know if the Mavs would. Strangely enough however, I think Randle would actually help them
I’d also very much consider this but not sure if Mavs would want to fork over their best defender or if it would work cuz I thought sign and trades had to be an exact salary match 1 for 1
TPercy wrote:Philc1 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Have to wonder if the front office considers a Randle for Brunson and Bullock type trade in the offseason if Brunson wants to come. Knicks definitely play faster and looser without Randle, and Brunson can really bring an extra level out of Barrett and Toppin. But I believe he can also do the same for Randle. So we will see. Randle would likely welcome a trade back home to Dallas if he and the Knicks part ways and the Mavericks might see a fit with Doncic.
I’d do that trade in a nanosecond but I don’t know if the Mavs would. Strangely enough however, I think Randle would actually help them
I’d also very much consider this but not sure if Mavs would want to fork over their best defender or if it would work cuz I thought sign and trades had to be an exact salary match 1 for 1
How much would Brunson get on that deal? Are you allowed to aggregate players on a double sign and trade? I'm not sure if anyone was sent along in the KD Russell deal back when.
What about running it back with IQ Fournier Barrett Toppin and Randle? Randle has played the five before. Rose Burks Grimes Reddish Sims play off the bench. McBride backs up Rose and we use the offseason to figure out Noel Kemba and the end of the rotation.
TPercy wrote:Philc1 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Have to wonder if the front office considers a Randle for Brunson and Bullock type trade in the offseason if Brunson wants to come. Knicks definitely play faster and looser without Randle, and Brunson can really bring an extra level out of Barrett and Toppin. But I believe he can also do the same for Randle. So we will see. Randle would likely welcome a trade back home to Dallas if he and the Knicks part ways and the Mavericks might see a fit with Doncic.
I’d do that trade in a nanosecond but I don’t know if the Mavs would. Strangely enough however, I think Randle would actually help them
I’d also very much consider this but not sure if Mavs would want to fork over their best defender or if it would work cuz I thought sign and trades had to be an exact salary match 1 for 1
Wait, are we still doing the thing where people say Bullock is a good player? He’s not
Yes salaries have to match for by sign and trade when both teams are over the cap or go over it because of the contracts involved
Knixkik wrote:I’m in on seeing what we can do with a real PG who can take some facilitating duties away from Randle, Fournier really coming into his own in NY, and Barrett taking his game to the next level. Our bench headlined by a healthy Rose, with the addition of someone like Mathurin or Washington Jr to develop can be dangerous. And for those wondering how we get Brunson without giving up anything significant, here’s how we do it: offer Dallas’ first round pick next year to a team with cap space willing to take Burks and Noel into their cap space. That team can easily flip Burks and will gladly eat noels final guaranteed year for that pick. It will clear 20 mil in space and still have the ability to maintain Robinson's cap hold before resigning him. Or Knicks can simply give Dallas the same opportunity to accept that deal in a sign and trade if they want to gain some value back and not lose him for nothing. They still have Doncic running the show and Dinwiddie on a long term contract. Brunson can be the best PG we have had since Marbury and grow with the youth. There will still be some consolation needed but that starting lineup with Rose, IQ, Grimes, Reddish, Toppin, Sims, Gibson, McBride plus a rookie lottery pick and Jokubaitis in the pipeline gives plenty of depth and options going forward.
We essentially ran it back after adding Brunson and the results have been as good as we could have asked for. It’s cool to look back on our predictions and such and see what the result is. Also I thought moving the Dallas pick to clear the contracts would be the best option. Knicks used their own pick, but netted 3 protected picks back, so it worked out more in our favor than I could have hoped. And as for Brunson, he got robbed of allstar, but I think he has a chance to be all nba this year, plus he’s one of the most clutch players in the league, and he has helped saved Randle’s career with the Knicks and flipped it 180. What a difference a star PG makes.
