1) summer league 22 2) training camp 22 3) return to Europe for another season of seasoning playing heavy minutes 22-23 4) summer league 23 5) training camp 23 6) rookie year 23-24
He’s doing well in euro league, but I have real concerns about how he would do in the nba. He just doesn’t have the build or defense or nba shotmaking
NardDogNation@ 4/24/2022 4:00 PM
It would seem best to bring him along slowly. For our sake, I hope it works because taking him ahead of Herb Jones will be tough to come to grips with.
Caseloads@ 4/24/2022 11:41 PM
NardDogNation wrote:It would seem best to bring him along slowly. For our sake, I hope it works because taking him ahead of Herb Jones will be tough to come to grips with.
who is herb jones?
BigDaddyG@ 4/25/2022 7:14 AM
Nalod@ 4/25/2022 8:55 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Good fan stuff but hardly authrity. “He seems to be enjoying the experience”……… Thats nice. Lets be real, this kid has leverage if good enough. Leverage to get paid, leverage to demand playiing time. If not, he returns to europe for another season. Same thing with Barca, he should want to be the lead starting PG next season. Do they accommodate that? If not can he go to another team? Jump to NBA?
At the moment we have:
Burks IQ Drose Kemba Deuce
Burks can obviously sub for Fornier at the 2. Kemba is trade fodder gets bought out/retires. Drose can get moved to a contender.
That leaves IQ and Deuce and Rokas either has to jump one for playing time or both. I dont see that happening without assurances. One of Deuce or IQ goes in a trade then?
Can anyone comment about Rokas defense? Cuz we know Thibs demands players do “Other things” to stay on the court.
Or……Rokas is trade fodder for a team that see’s him very highly and would treat him like a high 1st rounder in terms of money and years to develop. That could be us too. For doors to open roster spots have to also. which means others have to go.
BigDaddyG@ 4/25/2022 10:35 AM
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Good fan stuff but hardly authrity. “He seems to be enjoying the experience”……… Thats nice. Lets be real, this kid has leverage if good enough. Leverage to get paid, leverage to demand playiing time. If not, he returns to europe for another season. Same thing with Barca, he should want to be the lead starting PG next season. Do they accommodate that? If not can he go to another team? Jump to NBA?
At the moment we have:
Burks IQ Drose Kemba Deuce
Burks can obviously sub for Fornier at the 2. Kemba is trade fodder gets bought out/retires. Drose can get moved to a contender.
That leaves IQ and Deuce and Rokas either has to jump one for playing time or both. I dont see that happening without assurances. One of Deuce or IQ goes in a trade then?
Can anyone comment about Rokas defense? Cuz we know Thibs demands players do “Other things” to stay on the court.
Or……Rokas is trade fodder for a team that see’s him very highly and would treat him like a high 1st rounder in terms of money and years to develop. That could be us too. For doors to open roster spots have to also. which means others have to go.
True, but they all seem to be reiterating things that we've heard from Rokas himself. Personally, I don't see Rokas coming over for at least another year. I don't see IQ or Deuce being that big of an issue in terms of playing time because Rokas brings skills they don't have and they could conceivably play together (Rokas is 6'5"). Of course you have to consider that Thibs is going Thibs and he won't play the Rok much anyway. Also, there's the possibility he just can't play at the NBA level. Hopefully he plays in SL and gives us a better indication. Things get a little murky when you consider possible moves in the off-season. If a trade where to happen, I think Burks is probably one of the first guys to go. Good versatility, decent contract, knows his role...many contending teams can use that. Also would be the key to unlocking the playing time puzzle for Cam and Grimes. Does it lead to the acquisition of a pro-level PG? If I were Rokas, that would definitely make me consider me to stay or ask for a trade.
Panos@ 4/25/2022 10:59 AM
BigDaddyG wrote: If I were Rokas, that would definitely make me consider me to stay or ask for a trade.
Oh that's rich. Second round pick, never played a minute in NBA. Asks for trade.
BigDaddyG@ 4/25/2022 11:32 AM
Panos wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote: If I were Rokas, that would definitely make me consider me to stay or ask for a trade.
Oh that's rich. Second round pick, never played a minute in NBA. Asks for trade.
Agents do it all the time. Didn't say the organization would take the request seriously. But if there's a team out there that has shown interest, that's at least one bit of leverage his agent could use.
Nalod@ 4/25/2022 11:44 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Panos wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote: If I were Rokas, that would definitely make me consider me to stay or ask for a trade.
Oh that's rich. Second round pick, never played a minute in NBA. Asks for trade.
Agents do it all the time. Didn't say the organization would take the request seriously. But if there's a team out there that has shown interest, that's at least one bit of leverage his agent could use.
Your not incorrect. if knicks have a logjam and cannot/won't commit to open an opportunity where another team can its foolish to not consider a trade for knicks and get something in return. Its also a dick move to block a 2nd round player from an opportunity.
Rokas is not getting starter minutes now but thats how they treat guys bound for the NBA. I'd say Rokas very well can commit to staying in Europe for 2 more years and getting that chance.
fishmike@ 4/25/2022 11:55 AM
they need to get him into SL and see if he's a rotation caliber player. See his work habits, the whole package. This guy is a fringe prospect. Come show something and you will get signed
martin@ 4/25/2022 2:34 PM
fishmike wrote:they need to get him into SL and see if he's a rotation caliber player. See his work habits, the whole package. This guy is a fringe prospect. Come show something and you will get signed
He is not really a fringe prospect though. The Knicks already told us how much they value him: they took him first over McBride.
And they have also sent a contingent to Spain about a month or 2 back.
And he is playing in a high level league that NCAA.
He will be good.
fishmike@ 4/25/2022 3:23 PM
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:they need to get him into SL and see if he's a rotation caliber player. See his work habits, the whole package. This guy is a fringe prospect. Come show something and you will get signed
He is not really a fringe prospect though. The Knicks already told us how much they value him: they took him first over McBride.
And they have also sent a contingent to Spain about a month or 2 back.
And he is playing in a high level league that NCAA.
He will be good.
McBride was 2nd rounder... Its not really clear how much they value him. Feels like you get a handful of these guys Rokas/McBride/Grimes/Quickly/Sims and hope a couple of them pop. At least that's how I see the FO going about this and its great. Surely with Rokas they went for shooting/skill/BBIQ over another run/jump type athlete.
Really we will see what the FO thinks of these guys this offseason. Do we see a youth movement or do we see more "support" for Randle/Fournier/RJ/Burks from Leon? We know they can get value from the draft... how much do they value that value?
We can argue "fringe" for Rokas... he's just signed a 4 year deal with Barcelona and fwiw is pretty open about being happy playing in EU. We got a lot of guys set to come back. Should be an interesting play
