TPercy wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:fishmike wrote:honestly the move is to trade Randle to Portland for their pick, use that on Sharpe, use our pick on Tari Eason, resign Mitch, waive Bledsoe (he's not guaranteed) and let Thibs coach them up.
Dream scenario.
Issue is that via mirror test Portland dosent answer the phone. You’d have to throw 2 future firsts for Portland to consider this. You’d have to throw in Dallas pick, our pick in 2024, and prolly Detroit 2Nd round to get this done.
Kind of depends what they do with Dame. Dame has a mileage count on him that might not last through a development of two top ten picks. Maybe they can do better than Randle for either the 7 or 9, but I am not sure Knicks’ fans frustration with Randle is reflective of his value. It’s a pretty solid contract for a borderline all star player with an All NBA nod on his resume.
We have some 2nds to spare if needed, but I don’t think a top 10 pick is so far off for him.
EwingsGlass wrote:TPercy wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:fishmike wrote:honestly the move is to trade Randle to Portland for their pick, use that on Sharpe, use our pick on Tari Eason, resign Mitch, waive Bledsoe (he's not guaranteed) and let Thibs coach them up.
Dream scenario.
Issue is that via mirror test Portland dosent answer the phone. You’d have to throw 2 future firsts for Portland to consider this. You’d have to throw in Dallas pick, our pick in 2024, and prolly Detroit 2Nd round to get this done.
Kind of depends what they do with Dame. Dame has a mileage count on him that might not last through a development of two top ten picks. Maybe they can do better than Randle for either the 7 or 9, but I am not sure Knicks’ fans frustration with Randle is reflective of his value. It’s a pretty solid contract for a borderline all star player with an All NBA nod on his resume.
We have some 2nds to spare if needed, but I don’t think a top 10 pick is so far off for him.
I'm generally in agreement with you and it's very dependent on how much Portland wants to win now with Dame and also how much they value that #6 pick (which falls just outside the tier of Chet/Paolo/Jabari/Ivey/Sharpe if that's how the draft shakes out). Give or take, even given the cost structure of picks below #5, most of those guys won't be able to start and compete at a high enough level within the next 2-3 years to make it a deep playoff team and on Dame's timeline. Would Randle? Definitely much better than Bledsoe and #6 but it's probably not enough for Portland given the rest of their cap space.
Portland needs low cost vets who they know can play and the Knicks don't have those guys.
martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:TPercy wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:fishmike wrote:honestly the move is to trade Randle to Portland for their pick, use that on Sharpe, use our pick on Tari Eason, resign Mitch, waive Bledsoe (he's not guaranteed) and let Thibs coach them up.
Dream scenario.
Issue is that via mirror test Portland dosent answer the phone. You’d have to throw 2 future firsts for Portland to consider this. You’d have to throw in Dallas pick, our pick in 2024, and prolly Detroit 2Nd round to get this done.
Kind of depends what they do with Dame. Dame has a mileage count on him that might not last through a development of two top ten picks. Maybe they can do better than Randle for either the 7 or 9, but I am not sure Knicks’ fans frustration with Randle is reflective of his value. It’s a pretty solid contract for a borderline all star player with an All NBA nod on his resume.
We have some 2nds to spare if needed, but I don’t think a top 10 pick is so far off for him.
I'm generally in agreement with you and it's very dependent on how much Portland wants to win now with Dame and also how much they value that #6 pick (which falls just outside the tier of Chet/Paolo/Jabari/Ivey/Sharpe if that's how the draft shakes out). Give or take, even given the cost structure of picks below #5, most of those guys won't be able to start and compete at a high enough level within the next 2-3 years to make it a deep playoff team and on Dame's timeline. Would Randle? Definitely much better than Bledsoe and #6 but it's probably not enough for Portland given the rest of their cap space.
Portland needs low cost vets who they know can play and the Knicks don't have those guys.
There's the cap space issue and the fact that Julius is coming off one of the worse seasons of his career. The Knicks would be dealing from a position of weakness. I think Grimes, Obi, Cam or IQ might also have to be thrown in. Draft picks usually increase in value the closer we get to the draft. Yes, Jules was an all-star and all-nba player. But if I'm Portland I'm looking at it through the lense that he only did it in one season, a peculiar season at that. Outside of that you're looking at a good to average, sometimes below average, NBA player. Is that really the type of player you want to cash your blue chip assets in for?
And don’t forget Jules 15% trade kicker on a year one deal!
Reality is if he was not comiing off a bad year we’d not be dealing him.
reality is if we moving on and he cost us nothing, and we deep with yoot we can affort to move him with an asset if need be.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:TPercy wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:fishmike wrote:honestly the move is to trade Randle to Portland for their pick, use that on Sharpe, use our pick on Tari Eason, resign Mitch, waive Bledsoe (he's not guaranteed) and let Thibs coach them up.
Dream scenario.
Issue is that via mirror test Portland dosent answer the phone. You’d have to throw 2 future firsts for Portland to consider this. You’d have to throw in Dallas pick, our pick in 2024, and prolly Detroit 2Nd round to get this done.
Kind of depends what they do with Dame. Dame has a mileage count on him that might not last through a development of two top ten picks. Maybe they can do better than Randle for either the 7 or 9, but I am not sure Knicks’ fans frustration with Randle is reflective of his value. It’s a pretty solid contract for a borderline all star player with an All NBA nod on his resume.
We have some 2nds to spare if needed, but I don’t think a top 10 pick is so far off for him.
I'm generally in agreement with you and it's very dependent on how much Portland wants to win now with Dame and also how much they value that #6 pick (which falls just outside the tier of Chet/Paolo/Jabari/Ivey/Sharpe if that's how the draft shakes out). Give or take, even given the cost structure of picks below #5, most of those guys won't be able to start and compete at a high enough level within the next 2-3 years to make it a deep playoff team and on Dame's timeline. Would Randle? Definitely much better than Bledsoe and #6 but it's probably not enough for Portland given the rest of their cap space.
Portland needs low cost vets who they know can play and the Knicks don't have those guys.
There's the cap space issue and the fact that Julius is coming off one of the worse seasons of his career. The Knicks would be dealing from a position of weakness. I think Grimes, Obi, Cam or IQ might also have to be thrown in. Draft picks usually increase in value the closer we get to the draft. Yes, Jules was an all-star and all-nba player. But if I'm Portland I'm looking at it through the lense that he only did it in one season, a peculiar season at that. Outside of that you're looking at a good to average, sometimes below average, NBA player. Is that really the type of player you want to cash your blue chip assets in for?
Exactly. For Randle to generate any sort of value he needs another year where he hes going off again because right now only way you getting that pick is if you give up 11 and a future 2nd with Jules or 2-3 1sts. Neither are that ideal especially if you believe Jules can show that he is a net positive.
