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Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Vmart wrote:

wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.

It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

You had me at "Resigning Mitch" but then you had to throw "asinine Randle" contract. Mitch will probably look to get a 4 year $15M per contract despite limited offensive game and fragile injury history.Randle had many years of production and had an All Star year. Do hope we sign Mitch and hoped he would have been extended. However, maybe a team like the Warriors would be a better fit. Teams that can afford to have a Center that is just a slasher and can protect the rim. So not know if the Knicks can spend so much on a player that may not be on the floor and who is to this point quite limited on the offensive end. Still feel/hope he will remain a Knock though.

Randle has easily the league’s worst contract. He’s a more in shape Zach Randolph. Double doubles every night but his teams don’t win. That’s why Randle has made the playoffs once in 8 nba seasons

Lol. He may not even be the worst contract on the Knicks, let alone the league.
Guess you never heard of Wall, KP, Westbrook, Hayward, Harris, KLove? Randle is still our BEST player. Take a look around the league and see how much each team's best player is making. Then look at how many are making more than Randle and are not the best players on the team.

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Vmart wrote:

wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.

It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

You had me at "Resigning Mitch" but then you had to throw "asinine Randle" contract. Mitch will probably look to get a 4 year $15M per contract despite limited offensive game and fragile injury history.Randle had many years of production and had an All Star year. Do hope we sign Mitch and hoped he would have been extended. However, maybe a team like the Warriors would be a better fit. Teams that can afford to have a Center that is just a slasher and can protect the rim. So not know if the Knicks can spend so much on a player that may not be on the floor and who is to this point quite limited on the offensive end. Still feel/hope he will remain a Knock though.

Randle has easily the league’s worst contract. He’s a more in shape Zach Randolph. Double doubles every night but his teams don’t win. That’s why Randle has made the playoffs once in 8 nba seasons

Man, you need to put more respect on Zach Randolph's name. Dude won consistently with those Memphis teams and was workhorse. Randle wishes he had ZBo'd outside shooting touch.

I do think Knicks need to spend some time learning to play with Randle at center. I don't think Robinson's FT shooting is good enough to be on the court at the end of 4th quarters.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Vmart wrote:

wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.

It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

You had me at "Resigning Mitch" but then you had to throw "asinine Randle" contract. Mitch will probably look to get a 4 year $15M per contract despite limited offensive game and fragile injury history.Randle had many years of production and had an All Star year. Do hope we sign Mitch and hoped he would have been extended. However, maybe a team like the Warriors would be a better fit. Teams that can afford to have a Center that is just a slasher and can protect the rim. So not know if the Knicks can spend so much on a player that may not be on the floor and who is to this point quite limited on the offensive end. Still feel/hope he will remain a Knock though.

Randle has easily the league’s worst contract. He’s a more in shape Zach Randolph. Double doubles every night but his teams don’t win. That’s why Randle has made the playoffs once in 8 nba seasons

Lol. He may not even be the worst contract on the Knicks, let alone the league.
Guess you never heard of Wall, KP, Westbrook, Hayward, Harris, KLove? Randle is still our BEST player. Take a look around the league and see how much each team's best player is making. Then look at how many are making more than Randle and are not the best players on the team.

Phil is the new rainman. He has been presented with facts but ignores it and rambles with same answers.
“Randle is worst contract”………20-10 guy and was the 47th highest paid player. Nobody said Randle is without issues. Hardley worst contract. This has all been presented many times.

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Vmart wrote:

wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.

It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

You had me at "Resigning Mitch" but then you had to throw "asinine Randle" contract. Mitch will probably look to get a 4 year $15M per contract despite limited offensive game and fragile injury history.Randle had many years of production and had an All Star year. Do hope we sign Mitch and hoped he would have been extended. However, maybe a team like the Warriors would be a better fit. Teams that can afford to have a Center that is just a slasher and can protect the rim. So not know if the Knicks can spend so much on a player that may not be on the floor and who is to this point quite limited on the offensive end. Still feel/hope he will remain a Knock though.

Randle has easily the league’s worst contract. He’s a more in shape Zach Randolph. Double doubles every night but his teams don’t win. That’s why Randle has made the playoffs once in 8 nba seasons

Lol. He may not even be the worst contract on the Knicks, let alone the league.
Guess you never heard of Wall, KP, Westbrook, Hayward, Harris, KLove? Randle is still our BEST player. Take a look around the league and see how much each team's best player is making. Then look at how many are making more than Randle and are not the best players on the team.

Phil is the new rainman. He has been presented with facts but ignores it and rambles with same answers.
“Randle is worst contract”………20-10 guy and was the 47th highest paid player. Nobody said Randle is without issues. Hardley worst contract. This has all been presented many times.

At the end of the day there are several reasons some can choose to not be fans of Randle. He is often stingy with the rock. Should not be bringing the ball up. Can show a better attitude. And does not seem to fit well in a fast paced offense. But as mentioned, facts show that his contract is not as bad as some have made it out to be. Which if Knicks decide to pivot, is a contract they can recapture some value for.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Vmart wrote:

wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.

It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

You had me at "Resigning Mitch" but then you had to throw "asinine Randle" contract. Mitch will probably look to get a 4 year $15M per contract despite limited offensive game and fragile injury history.Randle had many years of production and had an All Star year. Do hope we sign Mitch and hoped he would have been extended. However, maybe a team like the Warriors would be a better fit. Teams that can afford to have a Center that is just a slasher and can protect the rim. So not know if the Knicks can spend so much on a player that may not be on the floor and who is to this point quite limited on the offensive end. Still feel/hope he will remain a Knock though.

Randle has easily the league’s worst contract. He’s a more in shape Zach Randolph. Double doubles every night but his teams don’t win. That’s why Randle has made the playoffs once in 8 nba seasons

Lol. He may not even be the worst contract on the Knicks, let alone the league.
Guess you never heard of Wall, KP, Westbrook, Hayward, Harris, KLove? Randle is still our BEST player. Take a look around the league and see how much each team's best player is making. Then look at how many are making more than Randle and are not the best players on the team.

Phil is the new rainman. He has been presented with facts but ignores it and rambles with same answers.
“Randle is worst contract”………20-10 guy and was the 47th highest paid player. Nobody said Randle is without issues. Hardley worst contract. This has all been presented many times.

At the end of the day there are several reasons some can choose to not be fans of Randle. He is often stingy with the rock. Should not be bringing the ball up. Can show a better attitude. And does not seem to fit well in a fast paced offense. But as mentioned, facts show that his contract is not as bad as some have made it out to be. Which if Knicks decide to pivot, is a contract they can recapture some value for.

We all saw the “Bubble ceiling” and a career that does not demonstrate aloofness. He was not paid on that ceiling. I saw lots of things I did not like but the not agreeing with staff happens to many players thru a season, frustration with teammates happens (early trimester with EF), Frustration with his own play, and Frustration with injuries. We berated him for walking off the court vs win against Bulls but we learned he reininjured his leg and was done.
Not pick up a player? Did he not see him? Does he never pick up his players? Was this a season long thing or one of perhaps a very few instances?
He is a good very good defenseive player but this year got lost and had some bad looks. We as fans at least understand if one players misses an assignment another can be made to look. Stupid? How much of that was going on? We all focused on the symptoms but not the cause? Clyde is in our heads and its rare for an announcer to go way deep into whats going.
37 wins was a disappointment and that was with yoot. The team never quit on itself or their coach. Randle looked bad, I won’t deny that. Tell me why, then how it can be fixed before I just dump him for a bag of rocks. Is he more Marbury or Jimmy Butler? Good as Jimmy has been over the years, he was often a dick abstinent, and a distraction. Winning is tilting factor!

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Vmart wrote:

wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.

It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

You had me at "Resigning Mitch" but then you had to throw "asinine Randle" contract. Mitch will probably look to get a 4 year $15M per contract despite limited offensive game and fragile injury history.Randle had many years of production and had an All Star year. Do hope we sign Mitch and hoped he would have been extended. However, maybe a team like the Warriors would be a better fit. Teams that can afford to have a Center that is just a slasher and can protect the rim. So not know if the Knicks can spend so much on a player that may not be on the floor and who is to this point quite limited on the offensive end. Still feel/hope he will remain a Knock though.

Randle has easily the league’s worst contract. He’s a more in shape Zach Randolph. Double doubles every night but his teams don’t win. That’s why Randle has made the playoffs once in 8 nba seasons

Lol. He may not even be the worst contract on the Knicks, let alone the league.
Guess you never heard of Wall, KP, Westbrook, Hayward, Harris, KLove? Randle is still our BEST player. Take a look around the league and see how much each team's best player is making. Then look at how many are making more than Randle and are not the best players on the team.

Phil is the new rainman. He has been presented with facts but ignores it and rambles with same answers.
“Randle is worst contract”………20-10 guy and was the 47th highest paid player. Nobody said Randle is without issues. Hardley worst contract. This has all been presented many times.

At the end of the day there are several reasons some can choose to not be fans of Randle. He is often stingy with the rock. Should not be bringing the ball up. Can show a better attitude. And does not seem to fit well in a fast paced offense. But as mentioned, facts show that his contract is not as bad as some have made it out to be. Which if Knicks decide to pivot, is a contract they can recapture some value for.

Exactly how I feel. The other factor is that the cap and contracts go up every year - and by 2025 with the new TV contract could potentially explode. Randle's incentives will change from "likely" to "unlikely" next year. He will be paid between $23.5 M - $29.5 M over the next 4 years. Very workable based on his production. If the Knicks decide to move him, they can maximize return by working with him on the things he does to portray a negative image that is being exacerbated by the NY Media and Fans......or......they can get back in the playoffs (as the cliche goes - winning cures all ills).

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Vmart wrote:

wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.

It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

You had me at "Resigning Mitch" but then you had to throw "asinine Randle" contract. Mitch will probably look to get a 4 year $15M per contract despite limited offensive game and fragile injury history.Randle had many years of production and had an All Star year. Do hope we sign Mitch and hoped he would have been extended. However, maybe a team like the Warriors would be a better fit. Teams that can afford to have a Center that is just a slasher and can protect the rim. So not know if the Knicks can spend so much on a player that may not be on the floor and who is to this point quite limited on the offensive end. Still feel/hope he will remain a Knock though.

Randle has easily the league’s worst contract. He’s a more in shape Zach Randolph. Double doubles every night but his teams don’t win. That’s why Randle has made the playoffs once in 8 nba seasons

Lol. He may not even be the worst contract on the Knicks, let alone the league.
Guess you never heard of Wall, KP, Westbrook, Hayward, Harris, KLove? Randle is still our BEST player. Take a look around the league and see how much each team's best player is making. Then look at how many are making more than Randle and are not the best players on the team.

Phil is the new rainman. He has been presented with facts but ignores it and rambles with same answers.
“Randle is worst contract”………20-10 guy and was the 47th highest paid player. Nobody said Randle is without issues. Hardley worst contract. This has all been presented many times.

Do you want to offer up a worse current NBA contract than Julius Randle or just launch more personal attacks with nothing of substance to back up your arguments?

foosballnick wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Vmart wrote:

wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.

It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

You had me at "Resigning Mitch" but then you had to throw "asinine Randle" contract. Mitch will probably look to get a 4 year $15M per contract despite limited offensive game and fragile injury history.Randle had many years of production and had an All Star year. Do hope we sign Mitch and hoped he would have been extended. However, maybe a team like the Warriors would be a better fit. Teams that can afford to have a Center that is just a slasher and can protect the rim. So not know if the Knicks can spend so much on a player that may not be on the floor and who is to this point quite limited on the offensive end. Still feel/hope he will remain a Knock though.

Randle has easily the league’s worst contract. He’s a more in shape Zach Randolph. Double doubles every night but his teams don’t win. That’s why Randle has made the playoffs once in 8 nba seasons

Lol. He may not even be the worst contract on the Knicks, let alone the league.
Guess you never heard of Wall, KP, Westbrook, Hayward, Harris, KLove? Randle is still our BEST player. Take a look around the league and see how much each team's best player is making. Then look at how many are making more than Randle and are not the best players on the team.

Phil is the new rainman. He has been presented with facts but ignores it and rambles with same answers.
“Randle is worst contract”………20-10 guy and was the 47th highest paid player. Nobody said Randle is without issues. Hardley worst contract. This has all been presented many times.

At the end of the day there are several reasons some can choose to not be fans of Randle. He is often stingy with the rock. Should not be bringing the ball up. Can show a better attitude. And does not seem to fit well in a fast paced offense. But as mentioned, facts show that his contract is not as bad as some have made it out to be. Which if Knicks decide to pivot, is a contract they can recapture some value for.

Exactly how I feel. The other factor is that the cap and contracts go up every year - and by 2025 with the new TV contract could potentially explode. Randle's incentives will change from "likely" to "unlikely" next year. He will be paid between $23.5 M - $29.5 M over the next 4 years. Very workable based on his production. If the Knicks decide to move him, they can maximize return by working with him on the things he does to portray a negative image that is being exacerbated by the NY Media and Fans......or......they can get back in the playoffs (as the cliche goes - winning cures all ills).

Oh right, that new tv deal in 4 years will finally save us from Randle’s contract!

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Vmart wrote:

wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.

It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

You had me at "Resigning Mitch" but then you had to throw "asinine Randle" contract. Mitch will probably look to get a 4 year $15M per contract despite limited offensive game and fragile injury history.Randle had many years of production and had an All Star year. Do hope we sign Mitch and hoped he would have been extended. However, maybe a team like the Warriors would be a better fit. Teams that can afford to have a Center that is just a slasher and can protect the rim. So not know if the Knicks can spend so much on a player that may not be on the floor and who is to this point quite limited on the offensive end. Still feel/hope he will remain a Knock though.

Randle has easily the league’s worst contract. He’s a more in shape Zach Randolph. Double doubles every night but his teams don’t win. That’s why Randle has made the playoffs once in 8 nba seasons

Lol. He may not even be the worst contract on the Knicks, let alone the league.
Guess you never heard of Wall, KP, Westbrook, Hayward, Harris, KLove? Randle is still our BEST player. Take a look around the league and see how much each team's best player is making. Then look at how many are making more than Randle and are not the best players on the team.

Phil is the new rainman. He has been presented with facts but ignores it and rambles with same answers.
“Randle is worst contract”………20-10 guy and was the 47th highest paid player. Nobody said Randle is without issues. Hardly worst contract. This has all been presented many times.

Do you want to offer up a worse current NBA contract than Julius Randle or just launch more personal attacks with nothing of substance to back up your arguments?

Can it be any clearer?