Knicks · What's Cam Reddish's future? (page 2)

If we keep this team and Randle even has a slightly more intelligent season then Reddish might not see any day-light. Forget it if Grimes and Obi take steps forward.

Allanfan20 wrote:If we keep this team and Randle even has a slightly more intelligent season then Reddish might not see any day-light. Forget it if Grimes and Obi take steps forward.

I’d like to see a healthy Reddish before condemning him like that. I don’t see Grimes sliding to the SF as easily. I like Reddish’s ability to guard multiple positions and his length. We certainly traded a pick for a 1 year look on Reddish and project remaining upside value, but I think he earns out on it.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:If we keep this team and Randle even has a slightly more intelligent season then Reddish might not see any day-light. Forget it if Grimes and Obi take steps forward.

I’d like to see a healthy Reddish before condemning him like that. I don’t see Grimes sliding to the SF as easily. I like Reddish’s ability to guard multiple positions and his length. We certainly traded a pick for a 1 year look on Reddish and project remaining upside value, but I think he earns out on it.

I don’t have stats for this. Just gut. His FT% tells me there is an efficient shooter hiding in there somewhere

Sense of urgency in his career window and the injury was not timely. He needs minutes and needs to perform to fulfil his career potential and these two things are not easy for a young guy. Knox is not in a very good spot and Cam is not far behind.
Who and what he is as defined by his coaches and what he thinks might not be in synch. His peers, Zion is set, RJ is well on his way and the third spoke, Cam is not.
His future? He has a tough summer of working out and we as fans have no clue if he is in our plans or trade fodder.

Obi - 24
Mitch* - 24
Sims - 23
IQ - 23 (tomorrow)
Cam - 22
Grimes 22
RJ - 22
Deuce - 21

Cam is still on the back half of our 24 and under club. Somethings going to give, and I think Burks will be the first domino to fall...just because he's easier to move the Fournier. But that alone opens up a few things.

IQ solidifies his spot at PG with Rose, Grimes starts seeing consistent minutes at 2, Cam becomes backup 3. It's going to be tough to get him minutes at PF, I'm already hoping we can turn the 4/5 primarily into a 3 man rotation of Mitch (re-sign)/Randle/Obi. Sub in Noel for Mitch if he walks.

IQ/Rose
Grimes/Fournier
RJ/Cam
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Randle

Outside looking in: Noel, Sims, Deuce, Taj, lotto pick

I can also see the scenario where we don't (or can't) move any of the vets and see some combination of Obi/Grimes/Cam included in a trade if for no other reason than the minutes crunch.

MaTT4281 wrote:Obi - 24
Mitch* - 24
Sims - 23
IQ - 23 (tomorrow)
Cam - 22
Grimes 22
RJ - 22
Deuce - 21

Cam is still on the back half of our 24 and under club. Somethings going to give, and I think Burks will be the first domino to fall...just because he's easier to move the Fournier. But that alone opens up a few things.

IQ solidifies his spot at PG with Rose, Grimes starts seeing consistent minutes at 2, Cam becomes backup 3. It's going to be tough to get him minutes at PF, I'm already hoping we can turn the 4/5 primarily into a 3 man rotation of Mitch (re-sign)/Randle/Obi. Sub in Noel for Mitch if he walks.

IQ/Rose
Grimes/Fournier
RJ/Cam
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Randle

Outside looking in: Noel, Sims, Deuce, Taj, lotto pick

I can also see the scenario where we don't (or can't) move any of the vets and see some combination of Obi/Grimes/Cam included in a trade if for no other reason than the minutes crunch.

It’s a long season and injuries always happen. Even if we don’t move players to get Cam a rotation spot on the wing Thibs will still eventually be forced to use him during the season.

Especially if the Knicks are stupid enough to think they can still rely on Derrick Rose for significant minutes every night

Philc1 wrote:
It’s a long season and injuries always happen. Even if we don’t move players to get Cam a rotation spot on the wing Thibs will still eventually be forced to use him during the season.

Especially if the Knicks are stupid enough to think they can still rely on Derrick Rose for significant minutes every night

Yes, but you don't trade 1st round picks* for 3rd stringers (*I get that it may wind up as 2nds). We already have guys waiting to step in if/when injuries happen.

The Cam trade always felt like a precursor to another move that just didn't happen last season. I guess we'll see this summer if there's still another shoe to drop.

MaTT4281 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:
It’s a long season and injuries always happen. Even if we don’t move players to get Cam a rotation spot on the wing Thibs will still eventually be forced to use him during the season.

Especially if the Knicks are stupid enough to think they can still rely on Derrick Rose for significant minutes every night

Yes, but you don't trade 1st round picks* for 3rd stringers (*I get that it may wind up as 2nds). We already have guys waiting to step in if/when injuries happen.

The Cam trade always felt like a precursor to another move that just didn't happen last season. I guess we'll see this summer if there's still another shoe to drop.

I think it was just a desperation move by Perry to salvage the Knox pick

That said I’d rather see Cam get a rotation spot over Grimes or Burks. Especially if Burks is playing PG again next season

EwingsGlass wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:If we keep this team and Randle even has a slightly more intelligent season then Reddish might not see any day-light. Forget it if Grimes and Obi take steps forward.

I’d like to see a healthy Reddish before condemning him like that. I don’t see Grimes sliding to the SF as easily. I like Reddish’s ability to guard multiple positions and his length. We certainly traded a pick for a 1 year look on Reddish and project remaining upside value, but I think he earns out on it.

Where did I condemn him in that post?

Allanfan20 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:If we keep this team and Randle even has a slightly more intelligent season then Reddish might not see any day-light. Forget it if Grimes and Obi take steps forward.

I’d like to see a healthy Reddish before condemning him like that. I don’t see Grimes sliding to the SF as easily. I like Reddish’s ability to guard multiple positions and his length. We certainly traded a pick for a 1 year look on Reddish and project remaining upside value, but I think he earns out on it.

Where did I condemn him in that post?

Bolded.

Philc1 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:
It’s a long season and injuries always happen. Even if we don’t move players to get Cam a rotation spot on the wing Thibs will still eventually be forced to use him during the season.

Especially if the Knicks are stupid enough to think they can still rely on Derrick Rose for significant minutes every night

Yes, but you don't trade 1st round picks* for 3rd stringers (*I get that it may wind up as 2nds). We already have guys waiting to step in if/when injuries happen.

The Cam trade always felt like a precursor to another move that just didn't happen last season. I guess we'll see this summer if there's still another shoe to drop.

I think it was just a desperation move by Perry to salvage the Knox pick

That said I’d rather see Cam get a rotation spot over Grimes or Burks. Especially if Burks is playing PG again next season

knox contract ran out and got an audition by ATL. NO value left. That was a roster spot move. ATL wanted a 1st round pick. They got a very weak one. That we are stacked with 2nd round picks and we have 4 no. 1 picks in the next three years was useful. With that weak pick, the FO saw or thinks that 22 year old Cam Reddish is a better prospect with an open window than a future very late 1st or 2nd round pick. There is solid logic.
How does it play out? We’ll find out.

Phil, you saying you want Cam to play PG over Burkes or you just spazzing out with pubescent ranting of a redundant incomplete thought?

I think Cam's future should be tied to RJ. I think they can be the 2/3 of the future. I don't understand why he is always put in trade as a through in? The guy has just as much talent as RJ and more defensive upside. The only question for Cam is his injuries. I believe he will be healthy and have a great contract year/season. Don't get me wrong I wanted the Knicks to draft RJ over Cam but I thought Cam would have a very good to great NBA career and still believe in Cam.

mikesknicks wrote:I think Cam's future should be tied to RJ. I think they can be the 2/3 of the future. I don't understand why he is always put in trade as a through in? The guy has just as much talent as RJ and more defensive upside. The only question for Cam is his injuries. I believe he will be healthy and have a great contract year/season. Don't get me wrong I wanted the Knicks to draft RJ over Cam but I thought Cam would have a very good to great NBA career and still believe in Cam.

He's been in trade rumors because Thibs doesn't play him. We all have our thoughts on this, but is what is. What's the point of having him on the roster if he doesn't play? Better to trade before his value shrivels up. Also, Cam needs to be more consistent. Don't get me wrong, I want Cam to get more minutes. But he needs consistent play. It hard to lobby for a player when you're not sure what he's gonna bring on a night to night basis.

BigDaddyG wrote:

mikesknicks wrote:I think Cam's future should be tied to RJ. I think they can be the 2/3 of the future. I don't understand why he is always put in trade as a through in? The guy has just as much talent as RJ and more defensive upside. The only question for Cam is his injuries. I believe he will be healthy and have a great contract year/season. Don't get me wrong I wanted the Knicks to draft RJ over Cam but I thought Cam would have a very good to great NBA career and still believe in Cam.

He's been in trade rumors because Thibs doesn't play him. We all have our thoughts on this, but is what is. What's the point of having him on the roster if he doesn't play? Better to trade before his value shrivels up. Also, Cam needs to be more consistent. Don't get me wrong, I want Cam to get more minutes. But he needs consistent play. It hard to lobby for a player when you're not sure what he's gonna bring on a night to night basis.

I do understand he needs to have more consistent play but how can you have that without consistent playing time? Also Thibs got it wrong with payton, burkes, and and walker for the longest time so I would not take his word for who should be playing. He did not hold Randle accountable at all for his deplorable behavior. I like Thibs but he is more Of a Defensive coach than Head coach. If Cam is traded as a trade piece he will be a very good player on another team and we will be in need for a player like him. Just my humble opinion.

mikesknicks wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mikesknicks wrote:I think Cam's future should be tied to RJ. I think they can be the 2/3 of the future. I don't understand why he is always put in trade as a through in? The guy has just as much talent as RJ and more defensive upside. The only question for Cam is his injuries. I believe he will be healthy and have a great contract year/season. Don't get me wrong I wanted the Knicks to draft RJ over Cam but I thought Cam would have a very good to great NBA career and still believe in Cam.

He's been in trade rumors because Thibs doesn't play him. We all have our thoughts on this, but is what is. What's the point of having him on the roster if he doesn't play? Better to trade before his value shrivels up. Also, Cam needs to be more consistent. Don't get me wrong, I want Cam to get more minutes. But he needs consistent play. It hard to lobby for a player when you're not sure what he's gonna bring on a night to night basis.

I do understand he needs to have more consistent play but how can you have that without consistent playing time? Also Thibs got it wrong with payton, burkes, and and walker for the longest time so I would not take his word for who should be playing. He did not hold Randle accountable at all for his deplorable behavior. I like Thibs but he is more Of a Defensive coach than Head coach. If Cam is traded as a trade piece he will be a very good player on another team and we will be in need for a player like him. Just my humble opinion.

Cam was hurt when he was traded to the Knicks - ankle injury. When he got back to health, he played between 15-20 minutes a game for a 12 game stretch and then got hurt again.

There is a context to who also was getting minutes at the time and how the team dynamics played out.

Reflexively just spouting out that guys need playing time and weren't getting enough doesn't really match up to the types of things that were going on in the season.

Someone else would have to sit if Cam is playing. Grimes, IQ, Obi, Burks (before Kemba got ousted) were the main guys coming off bench that would play Cam's wing'ish position. Fournier, RJ also obviously were the starters.

Who are you sitting and why?

I think there is a high chance Cam is traded. Don't get the sense Thibs likes him and he'll be a FA. So I wouldn't get too attached.

martin wrote:

mikesknicks wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mikesknicks wrote:I think Cam's future should be tied to RJ. I think they can be the 2/3 of the future. I don't understand why he is always put in trade as a through in? The guy has just as much talent as RJ and more defensive upside. The only question for Cam is his injuries. I believe he will be healthy and have a great contract year/season. Don't get me wrong I wanted the Knicks to draft RJ over Cam but I thought Cam would have a very good to great NBA career and still believe in Cam.

He's been in trade rumors because Thibs doesn't play him. We all have our thoughts on this, but is what is. What's the point of having him on the roster if he doesn't play? Better to trade before his value shrivels up. Also, Cam needs to be more consistent. Don't get me wrong, I want Cam to get more minutes. But he needs consistent play. It hard to lobby for a player when you're not sure what he's gonna bring on a night to night basis.

I do understand he needs to have more consistent play but how can you have that without consistent playing time? Also Thibs got it wrong with payton, burkes, and and walker for the longest time so I would not take his word for who should be playing. He did not hold Randle accountable at all for his deplorable behavior. I like Thibs but he is more Of a Defensive coach than Head coach. If Cam is traded as a trade piece he will be a very good player on another team and we will be in need for a player like him. Just my humble opinion.

Cam was hurt when he was traded to the Knicks - ankle injury. When he got back to health, he played between 15-20 minutes a game for a 12 game stretch and then got hurt again.

There is a context to who also was getting minutes at the time and how the team dynamics played out.

Reflexively just spouting out that guys need playing time and weren't getting enough doesn't really match up to the types of things that were going on in the season.

Someone else would have to sit if Cam is playing. Grimes, IQ, Obi, Burks (before Kemba got ousted) were the main guys coming off bench that would play Cam's wing'ish position. Fournier, RJ also obviously were the starters.

Who are you sitting and why?

Thibs was doing the same thing over and over and losing so who shouldn't sit? You have to change things up and see what you got. Thibs was being stubborn about playing most of the young guys including Obi. The team was a 12th place team so I don't get the Who should sit take?

BigDaddyG wrote:

mikesknicks wrote:I think Cam's future should be tied to RJ. I think they can be the 2/3 of the future. I don't understand why he is always put in trade as a through in? The guy has just as much talent as RJ and more defensive upside. The only question for Cam is his injuries. I believe he will be healthy and have a great contract year/season. Don't get me wrong I wanted the Knicks to draft RJ over Cam but I thought Cam would have a very good to great NBA career and still believe in Cam.

He's been in trade rumors because Thibs doesn't play him. We all have our thoughts on this, but is what is. What's the point of having him on the roster if he doesn't play? Better to trade before his value shrivels up. Also, Cam needs to be more consistent. Don't get me wrong, I want Cam to get more minutes. But he needs consistent play. It hard to lobby for a player when you're not sure what he's gonna bring on a night to night basis.

The most frustrating thing about Cam Reddish is that it shows our coach and Front office aren't on the same page. This just screams dysfunction. Something I thought was in the rear view mirror after 20-21 season

CAm has so much potential and just needs a chance to display his skills. We need him at 6'8, long and lengthy. This league is dominated by 3 point play and lost of screening so he can be effective as one of our wing defenders able to switch defending any position. He can definitely help us on the perimeter along with Grimes and RJ. He just needs to be on the floor more and build more confidence. Trading him away from Atlanta was probablythe best thing to ever happened to him since he needed a change of scenery. I strongly feel Cam Reddish can be our Wiggs on this Knicks team with the assignment of alternating with Barrett on defending the opposing players wing best player.. Its Tibbs job to help him grow and develop into a premier baller. He can definitely contribute to this KNicks team on both ends of the floor..

mikesknicks wrote:

martin wrote:

mikesknicks wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mikesknicks wrote:I think Cam's future should be tied to RJ. I think they can be the 2/3 of the future. I don't understand why he is always put in trade as a through in? The guy has just as much talent as RJ and more defensive upside. The only question for Cam is his injuries. I believe he will be healthy and have a great contract year/season. Don't get me wrong I wanted the Knicks to draft RJ over Cam but I thought Cam would have a very good to great NBA career and still believe in Cam.

He's been in trade rumors because Thibs doesn't play him. We all have our thoughts on this, but is what is. What's the point of having him on the roster if he doesn't play? Better to trade before his value shrivels up. Also, Cam needs to be more consistent. Don't get me wrong, I want Cam to get more minutes. But he needs consistent play. It hard to lobby for a player when you're not sure what he's gonna bring on a night to night basis.

I do understand he needs to have more consistent play but how can you have that without consistent playing time? Also Thibs got it wrong with payton, burkes, and and walker for the longest time so I would not take his word for who should be playing. He did not hold Randle accountable at all for his deplorable behavior. I like Thibs but he is more Of a Defensive coach than Head coach. If Cam is traded as a trade piece he will be a very good player on another team and we will be in need for a player like him. Just my humble opinion.

Cam was hurt when he was traded to the Knicks - ankle injury. When he got back to health, he played between 15-20 minutes a game for a 12 game stretch and then got hurt again.

There is a context to who also was getting minutes at the time and how the team dynamics played out.

Reflexively just spouting out that guys need playing time and weren't getting enough doesn't really match up to the types of things that were going on in the season.

Someone else would have to sit if Cam is playing. Grimes, IQ, Obi, Burks (before Kemba got ousted) were the main guys coming off bench that would play Cam's wing'ish position. Fournier, RJ also obviously were the starters.

Who are you sitting and why?

Thibs was doing the same thing over and over and losing so who shouldn't sit? You have to change things up and see what you got. Thibs was being stubborn about playing most of the young guys including Obi. The team was a 12th place team so I don't get the Who should sit take?

When Cam was traded to the Knicks, they were 22-21 (as a point of reference, Boston was 21-22). Yup, in the playoff hunt. When Cam was traded to the Knicks, he had been in and out of Hawks lineup at various times during season cause on an ankle injury. A couple of games before he was traded to Knicks, he didn't play because he hurt his ankle again.

After trade and after Cam got better he played somewhere between 15-20 minutes a game. He was in the rotation at that point, 12 straight games. And then he hurt his shoulder. Incidentally, during the time Cam was playing was exactly when the Knicks were on that road trip and month from Hell and lost a lot of game. With Cam playing.

When and where are you playing Cam more?

mikesknicks wrote:

martin wrote:

mikesknicks wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mikesknicks wrote:I think Cam's future should be tied to RJ. I think they can be the 2/3 of the future. I don't understand why he is always put in trade as a through in? The guy has just as much talent as RJ and more defensive upside. The only question for Cam is his injuries. I believe he will be healthy and have a great contract year/season. Don't get me wrong I wanted the Knicks to draft RJ over Cam but I thought Cam would have a very good to great NBA career and still believe in Cam.

He's been in trade rumors because Thibs doesn't play him. We all have our thoughts on this, but is what is. What's the point of having him on the roster if he doesn't play? Better to trade before his value shrivels up. Also, Cam needs to be more consistent. Don't get me wrong, I want Cam to get more minutes. But he needs consistent play. It hard to lobby for a player when you're not sure what he's gonna bring on a night to night basis.

I do understand he needs to have more consistent play but how can you have that without consistent playing time? Also Thibs got it wrong with payton, burkes, and and walker for the longest time so I would not take his word for who should be playing. He did not hold Randle accountable at all for his deplorable behavior. I like Thibs but he is more Of a Defensive coach than Head coach. If Cam is traded as a trade piece he will be a very good player on another team and we will be in need for a player like him. Just my humble opinion.

Cam was hurt when he was traded to the Knicks - ankle injury. When he got back to health, he played between 15-20 minutes a game for a 12 game stretch and then got hurt again.

There is a context to who also was getting minutes at the time and how the team dynamics played out.

Reflexively just spouting out that guys need playing time and weren't getting enough doesn't really match up to the types of things that were going on in the season.

Someone else would have to sit if Cam is playing. Grimes, IQ, Obi, Burks (before Kemba got ousted) were the main guys coming off bench that would play Cam's wing'ish position. Fournier, RJ also obviously were the starters.

Who are you sitting and why?

Thibs was doing the same thing over and over and losing so who shouldn't sit? You have to change things up and see what you got. Thibs was being stubborn about playing most of the young guys including Obi. The team was a 12th place team so I don't get the Who should sit take?

The Cam Reddish talents/skills and performance alongside Knicks players are uncertain to Knicks fans throughout the offseason because of the Knicks coach playing time minutes.
And having players like Randle & Barrett who never want to come out the game to give their replacements decent playing time minute per game (Obi & Cam).
Thibs! Thibs! Thibs? were the Knicks biggest problem, mentioning Thibs were stubborn is a after thought, Thibs 82 game performance deserve to be FIRED!
The Knicks starter lineup performance Graded a F for failure throughout the 82 game season.

The Knicks biggest weakness were not just at the PG position, but the Knicks SF players were a ball-stopping disaster that couldn't get it together throughout 82 games.

The Knicks actually had two decent performing SG players on the entire roster the last two seasons, which both happen to be dynamic combo-guards (D.Rose & Quickley).
Knicks players Barretts/Burks/and Fournier's offense/defense are super poor in the backcourt, and has weak talent & skills at the SG position.

Grade the Knicks starters? A? B? C, or F for Failure?
For their chemistry and position?
PG-Kemba?
PG-Burks?
SG-Fournier?
SF-Barrett?
PF-Randle
C-MitchRob?