Philc1 wrote:Spurs picking first in 2023 draft. Book it.
I wouldn't be spurprised 
The pick swap is also unprotected- so that’s three unprotected firsts essentially. Crazy they can see what’s happening with the Nets and think this is a good idea.
Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:martin wrote:
The Tale of 2 trades:
SPURS
Spurs traded
Dejuante Murray (25, $16M & $17M left on contract, all star injury sub)
Spurs receive
Gallo
2023 CHA 1st (protected for selections 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; 2 seconds)
2025 ATL 1st unprotected
2026 ATL pick sway options
2027 ATL 1st unprotected
KNICKS
Knicks trade
2022 #11
Kemba
4 second round picks
Knicks receive
2023 Detroit 1st (protected 1-18 until 2024, protected 1-13 in 2025, protected 1-11 in 2026, protected 1-9 in 2027)
2023 Washington 1st (protected 1-14 in 2023, protected 1-12 in 2024, protected 1-10 in 2025, protected 1-8 in 2026)
2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
Cap space to leverage Dallas
I don't even know how to judge where Atlanta will be as a team in 3-4 years, or any other for that matter, but these 2 trades - and especially the Spurs receive side of things - just don't add up for me. Could be I just don't understand the value of Dujuante, thought he could have gotten more?
Spurs picking first in 2023 draft. Book it.
No doubt about it!
Dejaunte who. That guy's a scrub. His ACL is held on with masking tape. Best player on a bad team. I wouldn't have considered anything other than Fournier and a conditional pick.
EwingsGlass wrote:Dejaunte who. That guy's a scrub. His ACL is held on with masking tape. Best player on a bad team. I wouldn't have considered anything other than Fournier and a conditional pick.
And he can't shoot. Basically Frank Ntilikina with hops. Glad Leon told the Spurs to take their demands and shove it.
BigDaddyG wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Dejaunte who. That guy's a scrub. His ACL is held on with masking tape. Best player on a bad team. I wouldn't have considered anything other than Fournier and a conditional pick.
And he can't shoot. Basically Frank Ntilikina with hops. Glad Leon told the Spurs to take their demands and shove it.
Dejaunte Ntlikina you say? I heard of that guy. Man, Ntlikina without an ACL is scary bad. I bet the guy demands a max contact in two years also. So, by the time those unprotected picks vest, Murray will be off in LA rehabbing his knee.
Kinda bummed, really liked Murray, who is only going to get better which will make the Hawks even better.
And I believe they included the pick that we gave up for Cam Reddish. Typical Knicks, where we helped the Hawks get a player that should have been #1 on our radar.
EwingsGlass wrote:Dejaunte who. That guy's a scrub. His ACL is held on with masking tape. Best player on a bad team. I wouldn't have considered anything other than Fournier and a conditional pick.
hahaha... well played
Im really hoping we can be big players in next year's draft man... even if its a couple picks late teens we could really load up
Kind of surprised the Spurs didn't sit Murray with whatever fake injury David Robinson had 25 years ago. They are all in on Watanabe or what ever that Frenchy's name is.
gradyandrew wrote:Kind of surprised the Spurs didn't sit Murray with whatever fake injury David Robinson had 25 years ago. They are all in on Watanabe or what ever that Frenchy's name is.
He is like Chet but just like 5 lbs heavier
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF0oDlhPn2o[/youtube]
Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:martin wrote:
The Tale of 2 trades:
SPURS
Spurs traded
Dejuante Murray (25, $16M & $17M left on contract, all star injury sub)
Spurs receive
Gallo
2023 CHA 1st (protected for selections 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; 2 seconds)
2025 ATL 1st unprotected
2026 ATL pick sway options
2027 ATL 1st unprotected
KNICKS
Knicks trade
2022 #11
Kemba
4 second round picks
Knicks receive
2023 Detroit 1st (protected 1-18 until 2024, protected 1-13 in 2025, protected 1-11 in 2026, protected 1-9 in 2027)
2023 Washington 1st (protected 1-14 in 2023, protected 1-12 in 2024, protected 1-10 in 2025, protected 1-8 in 2026)
2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
Cap space to leverage Dallas
I don't even know how to judge where Atlanta will be as a team in 3-4 years, or any other for that matter, but these 2 trades - and especially the Spurs receive side of things - just don't add up for me. Could be I just don't understand the value of Dujuante, thought he could have gotten more?
Spurs picking first in 2023 draft. Book it.
Phil, did you read anything from which you commented on? Math can be funny, but inaccuracy reveal is a damper for sure.
Rookie wrote:Philc1 wrote:Spurs picking first in 2023 draft. Book it.
The French C Wembanyama? Supposed to be Holmgren except better
Maybe.
@Martin - yeah, the Knicks would be roasted by the media for giving 1 unprotected pick, let alone 2! But hey, YOLO.
Bold move by the Hawks.
The Knicks had the assets to make a better offer and held back. Maybe we insisted on protection and handing over Fournier.
I liked Murray a lot but giving up two unprotected picks and a pick swap is wayyy too much! You only do that for a franchise changing player and Murray is not at that level!
SergioNYK wrote:I liked Murray a lot but giving up two unprotected picks and a pick swap is wayyy too much! You only do that for a franchise changing player and Murray is not at that level!
The Atlanta Hawks gave the Spurs Gallo, and the Picks they wanted for Murray .. I thought Leon/Perry were gathering all those future 1st round picks to go after a triple-double PG Murray.
How did Leon/Perry mess up a sure thing trade to make the Knicks a winning team ???
Murray's talent/skills are twice as better than Brunson. Plus Brunson may become another no-show.
The thought of Brunson's defense and Fournier defense in the backcourt will upset lots of Knicks fans.
Kemet wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I liked Murray a lot but giving up two unprotected picks and a pick swap is wayyy too much! You only do that for a franchise changing player and Murray is not at that level!
The Atlanta Hawks gave the Spurs Gallo, and the Picks they wanted for Murray .. I thought Leon/Perry were gathering all those future 1st round picks to go after a triple-double PG Murray.
How did Leon/Perry mess up a sure thing trade to make the Knicks a winning team ???
Murray's talent/skills are twice as better than Brunson. Plus Brunson may become another no-show.
The thought of Brunson's defense and Fournier defense in the backcourt will upset lots of Knicks fans.
Is he 3 first round picks better? It's called "free" agency for a reason.
We should have gone after Murray but if he would have cost our 1st round pick next year unprotected and two more unprotected 1st round picks and a pick swap then that may have been too much for a pg who cannot consistently hit a 3. I think McBride and two top-3 protected picks should have been enough. McBride has potential to be a starting pg and under Pops, he would have developed.
martin wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Kind of surprised the Spurs didn't sit Murray with whatever fake injury David Robinson had 25 years ago. They are all in on Watanabe or what ever that Frenchy's name is.
He is like Chet but just like 5 lbs heavier
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF0oDlhPn2o[/youtube]
Lets just put these highlights into context - also in comparison to Chet (not saying he is bad at all!)... Wembanyana has been doing this in the second best league of the world - this is basically all EuroLeague competition. Which is good - really good basketball!
Hes a generational talent and a franchise player for sure!
gradyandrew wrote:Kemet wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I liked Murray a lot but giving up two unprotected picks and a pick swap is wayyy too much! You only do that for a franchise changing player and Murray is not at that level!
The Atlanta Hawks gave the Spurs Gallo, and the Picks they wanted for Murray .. I thought Leon/Perry were gathering all those future 1st round picks to go after a triple-double PG Murray.
How did Leon/Perry mess up a sure thing trade to make the Knicks a winning team ???
Murray's talent/skills are twice as better than Brunson. Plus Brunson may become another no-show.
The thought of Brunson's defense and Fournier defense in the backcourt will upset lots of Knicks fans.
Is he 3 first round picks better? It's called "free" agency for a reason.
Let me see .. the Knicks own bout 11 first round picks the next 3 to 4 yrs, plus having a backcourt rotation of Murray, D.Rose, Quickley, and McBride the next 2 to 3 seasons to become a consistent playoff team each season .. Yes! Yes! Yes!
I will give the Spurs 3 unprotected picks, and swap for a play maker Murray that brings excitement into MSG, plus a playoff birth each season.
Oooh, let me try. If Murray is so great how come the Spurs basically sucked during his time with them? That's with Pops who is a legendary coach for sure. Shouldn't they at least have made the playoffs? Is it possible that his triple double numbers are a result of a system that Pops runs? To pump his value and then dump him for a chance to get a real franchise player? I thought a bird in ones hand is worth more than two in the bush? Yeah!!!
