swings back to 2 players we could have drafted and are rumored to be trading for: Donovan Mitchell & Shai Gilous-Alexander.
Would not agree in giving up a substantial return for them. We just need to build with the core we have now.
how can skipping over mitchell be inept when nobody had him on their radar at 8
and frank showed sufficient promise in his rookie year that the knicks went for a sf with great promise rather than a pg that seemed to replicate frank's strengths
did anyone really have a crystal ball back then
I don't have any remorse on Donovan - I saw 1 article at draft time pushing for the Knicks to take him (following an interview with Pitino). Everywhere else I saw the cries for DSJ to be the pick. He flew under the radar and other teams passed on him too. It happens. Good for Utah.
Knox is a different story - I recall some chatter on SGA, but Mikal Bridges was pretty widely viewed as the safe pick. Knicks took a homerun swing and whiffed. At least we got Mitch that draft!
I never like this "what if" game, because then you have to get into the Buttefly Effect. You take Mitchell in 2017, you're picking different slots next years. What if we followed that with Grayson Allen, Darius Bazley, and Udoka Azubuike (Utah's next 3 picks)?
I like our group of RJ/Quick/Obi/Mitch/Grimes. At worst, we've come away with rotation players several years in a row, which is something you can't always take for granted.
I didn’t know we were the only team that passed on Mitchell
Marv wrote:how can skipping over mitchell be inept when nobody had him on their radar at 8and frank showed sufficient promise in his rookie year that the knicks went for a sf with great promise rather than a pg that seemed to replicate frank's strengths
did anyone really have a crystal ball back then
Revisionist history
The Frank haters were hyperventilating for 2+ years that we didn’t take DSJ. Now that DSJ obviously stinks and isn’t in the nba they knew in summer 2017 Mitchell was the steal of the draft
MaTT4281 wrote:I don't have any remorse on Donovan - I saw 1 article at draft time pushing for the Knicks to take him (following an interview with Pitino). Everywhere else I saw the cries for DSJ to be the pick. He flew under the radar and other teams passed on him too. It happens. Good for Utah. Knox is a different story - I recall some chatter on SGA, but Mikal Bridges was pretty widely viewed as the safe pick. Knicks took a homerun swing and whiffed. At least we got Mitch that draft!
I never like this "what if" game, because then you have to get into the Buttefly Effect. You take Mitchell in 2017, you're picking different slots next years. What if we followed that with Grayson Allen, Darius Bazley, and Udoka Azubuike (Utah's next 3 picks)?
I like our group of RJ/Quick/Obi/Mitch/Grimes. At worst, we've come away with rotation players several years in a row, which is something you can't always take for granted.
yeah well who was so hyped on being safe at that point. knox destroyed miles bridges in one-on-one workouts, shredded the summer league and was the only rookie besides luca and trae to take rookie of the month honors that year. all signs were of his being the right pick till his entire career headed into the toilet
Bridges was the big mistake. He was your 3/D winner and starting wing for a decade. Easy selection.
MS wrote:Bridges was the big mistake. He was your 3/D winner and starting wing for a decade. Easy selection.
some folks said that at the time and were proven right. others questioned his ceiling and whether a team with so many holes were better off gambling on the younger player with higher potential
MS wrote:Bridges was the big mistake. He was your 3/D winner and starting wing for a decade. Easy selection.
up until a week ago people were saying the other bridges was also a safer and smarter pick. u never quite know
Marv wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:I don't have any remorse on Donovan - I saw 1 article at draft time pushing for the Knicks to take him (following an interview with Pitino). Everywhere else I saw the cries for DSJ to be the pick. He flew under the radar and other teams passed on him too. It happens. Good for Utah. Knox is a different story - I recall some chatter on SGA, but Mikal Bridges was pretty widely viewed as the safe pick. Knicks took a homerun swing and whiffed. At least we got Mitch that draft!
I never like this "what if" game, because then you have to get into the Buttefly Effect. You take Mitchell in 2017, you're picking different slots next years. What if we followed that with Grayson Allen, Darius Bazley, and Udoka Azubuike (Utah's next 3 picks)?
I like our group of RJ/Quick/Obi/Mitch/Grimes. At worst, we've come away with rotation players several years in a row, which is something you can't always take for granted.
yeah well who was so hyped on being safe at that point. knox destroyed miles bridges in one-on-one workouts, shredded the summer league and was the only rookie besides luca and trae to take rookie of the month honors that year. all signs were of his being the right pick till his entire career headed into the toilet
Not necessarily disagreeing. Only point is that there was a pretty large crowd calling for Mikal and that he's panned out.
I don't watch enough college ball for my vote to matter one way or the other, nor do I care about the what ifs. I'm hoping Cam winds up better than either!
TLover wrote:swings back to 2 players we could have drafted and are rumored to be trading for: Donovan Mitchell & Shai Gilous-Alexander. Would not agree in giving up a substantial return for them. We just need to build with the core we have now.
Oh you were the guy that said to pick them.
KnickDanger wrote:TLover wrote:swings back to 2 players we could have drafted and are rumored to be trading for: Donovan Mitchell & Shai Gilous-Alexander. Would not agree in giving up a substantial return for them. We just need to build with the core we have now.
Oh you were the guy that said to pick them.
Not my job to pick them; the owner allowed a of couple empty suits to make those picks. So ease up
Was not in favor of picking Frank. System pick, right after Phil said a new head coach didnt necessarily have to run the Triangle. When Phil first took the job.
Fizdale wanted the FO to draft Knox. It was the FO's call in the end, but drafting the player the new head coach wanted, was supposed to be a good faith gesture.
Hindsight is 20-20, but Fizdale was one of the hottest young coaches at the time. He picked us over other suitors, this was about rewarding the new coach.
Looking at the other picks since then seems to support that rumour.
TLover wrote:KnickDanger wrote:TLover wrote:swings back to 2 players we could have drafted and are rumored to be trading for: Donovan Mitchell & Shai Gilous-Alexander. Would not agree in giving up a substantial return for them. We just need to build with the core we have now.
Oh you were the guy that said to pick them.
Not my job to pick them; the owner allowed a of couple empty suits to make those picks. So ease up
Not easing up on revisionist whiners, sorry. It’s called the “Monday Morning Quarterback” syndrome. So easy to second guess, but if it was your first guess, well then okay.
BTW if we had taken those guys then what? Would the then FO and coaching staff wrecked them as well? And then what? Would we have Mitch, RJ, Grimes, Sims, Brunson, IQ, Obi, etc.? I don’t know and neither do any of us.
Marv wrote:how can skipping over mitchell be inept when nobody had him on their radar at 8and frank showed sufficient promise in his rookie year that the knicks went for a sf with great promise rather than a pg that seemed to replicate frank's strengths
did anyone really have a crystal ball back then
he was in [url="http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=56495"]my crystal ball[/url], yes
Forgot to mention that I knew that Knox was a high risk/reward pick. Was either the youngest or second youngest in the draft. 18 years old at the time. Was on board with the FO taking a chance for the new coach.
His rookie year, Knox showed that he had the ability to get buckets. Especially from 3. Got the "offensive rookie of the month". Probably got that wrong.
The next step for him IMO was an improved dribble, and mid-range game. Still possible, sorry to see it didnt happen in NY.
Knox failing also had a lot to do with Fizdale hoping to lose as many games as possible in year one, land Zion and KD and Kyrie and then become a beloved NY Knicks icon. A lot of grown men were hoping to make legacy money on the back of Kevin Knox developing bad habits.
He basically never recovered from Zion's rip and dunk as someone else pointed out here recently.
It's frustrating that we could of had both of them.
With D-Mitch I remember the nypost or Hahn saying there were some in the Knicks front office who were interested in D-Mitch, but there were also some interested in Monk.
With SGA, his reps or someone were begging the Knicks to work him out and we didn't- that's what annoys me. If you remember in that draft he did next to no workouts and there was no coverage of him throughout the draft process (I remember saying it was weird and he must have gotten a promise very early and was trying to work out what team would have done that to the point where he wasn't interested in trying to move up any further). So the fact he was interested in the Knicks as well as the clips and was not engaging with many other teams meant we could have had him if we wanted him.
I recall fans being all about DSJ and Monk as alts to Frank.
Knox was the youngest NBA player that year and he his rookie year was encouraging.
Mykhail Bridges is a good player but offensively not great and perhaps the narrative would be very different with this team vs. his ascension with Booker, CP3 and Ayton. Be real, fans would be frustrated with him.
And maybe in the right scenario Frankie would have been better? LOL?
Every team makes mistakes. They get magnified by other teams success.
That was then and this is now.
Mikal Bridges was definitely who I wanted the Knicks to draft. I agree that Mitchell was not on anyone’s radar. He was a slightly undersized SG who did not seem like he could run the point. People overlooked his shot creation ability.
