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TLover wrote:How about we DO NOT trade for Donovan Mitchell.. I would be concerned with his future availability. Believe he had some concussion issues in the past. A player at his size playing as hard as he does can be concerning. RJ at least has the body type to withstand the pounding. Also Mitchell seems to be redundant to Brunson (especially in size) Mitchell is almost like a a rich man’s Colin Sexton which is unnecessary or just trade for Colin Sexton himself who will be much cheaper. My 2 cents…
What's Sexton's situation? Did he sign? That situation is too murky to commit to right now (contract, injury return etc) Also, Mitchell is more like Scrooge McDuck version of Sexton. We still have no idea how Colin's chucking style of play meshes with a winning situation. I'd just assume run it with the squad as it stands now and see if the trade market opens up more.
martin wrote:I can see Cleveland being a solid competitor for Donovan, they've got all their picks but no extra picks like NY.I'm assuming their lineup could be: Garland, DM, ?, Mobley, Jarrett. Bench: Rubio, Sexton, LaVert, Lauri.
Trade fodder: Okoro, Ochai Agbaji, Love (for salary)
Good point. However, they may have the same fear Knicks do. Meaning is DM enough and ,if not, how do you get more if you give up so many of your assets.
Found it confusing a few weeks back when it was rumored the Jazz did NOT want RJ. Felt they would see that they can flip him for more assets. Hopefully Knicks don't fall for it. Why give up so many assets and a young star that can be traded for multiple assets. Would prefer Knicks be the ones that slowly get multiple assets for RJ, EF, Cam, EF and Obi. Then take those assets and trade for a couple, not one, difference makers. Knicks should stay the course short term. See what happens first half and then make adjustments. Ainge is looking for desperate team. Do not see why we should be that. Especially before analyzing how our new free agent PG will contribute to our win total. If they are looking for a 10 game improvement, there is a good chance that if Randle, RJ and MR have a good/healthy start, the addition of JB will definitely get them there.
TLover wrote:How about we DO NOT trade for Donovan Mitchell.. I would be concerned with his future availability. Believe he had some concussion issues in the past. A player at his size playing as hard as he does can be concerning. RJ at least has the body type to withstand the pounding. Also Mitchell seems to be redundant to Brunson (especially in size) Mitchell is almost like a a rich man’s Colin Sexton which is unnecessary or just trade for Colin Sexton himself who will be much cheaper. My 2 cents…
Mitchell would instantly be the best player on our roster. No argument there. But I'm with you on fit next to Brunson.
Ainge's firesale came out of the blue, so I understand Mitchell not being part of the original plan...but committing 4 years and such a major role to Brunson, only to follow it up with Donovan feels very incohesive. I very much echo others' posts on staying the course, see what we've got in place currently unless you can get him for a bargain (obviously that's NOT happening).
Trading the farm for Donovan would be like buying a new car when we really need to focus on home repairs.
foosballnick wrote:So the media now has the DM price at RJ, Obi (or Grimes /IQ) and 5 first rounders (3 unprotected)? Ainge must really be working his media back-channels.Can't wait for the season the start.
This. Time to play some poker.
Knicks need to stick to Obi, EF, 3 first (2 unprotected) 3 seconds. Have McBride and Roka as fillers if need be. If not. Fuck em.
HofstraBBall wrote:foosballnick wrote:So the media now has the DM price at RJ, Obi (or Grimes /IQ) and 5 first rounders (3 unprotected)? Ainge must really be working his media back-channels.Can't wait for the season the start.
This. Time to play some poker.
Knicks need to stick to Obi, EF, 3 first (2 unprotected) 3 seconds. Have McBride and Roka as fillers if need be. If not. Fuck em.
I've folded and am waiting for the next hand. I don't think Mitchell makes us as much better as this requires. The time to move for him was before signing Brunson. I don't believe they co-exist based on a deeper dive into their stats. You end up with a fraction of the total ability of both. I actually am happy to take another year of the existing contracts, see if the 2022 regression was real or contrived and re-evaluate Barrett, Fournier, Randle and the 2023 draft.
Reasons for my change of mind
1) A look at Brunson and Mitchell's shot charts makes them appear to be very similar shot usage and efficiency. Given the size constraints on both, Mitchell's wingspan would have been preferable to Brunson, but Brunson only cost cap space to obtain. I don't think a lineup will be effective, I think Brunson needs a strong, sizable SG next to him to cover matchups. Barrett would work here, but he appears to be moving to SF sized bulk.
2) I think the Knicks need to consolidate some players into talent. I think the easiest way to do that is to wait until the 2023 draft and use their excess draft capital to ensure they get the players they want. The depth of the 2023 draft is such that I think they can add the SG of their dreams on a rookie scale. I don't think there is a single player they can bring in to close the gap between the Knicks and the top 10 teams in the league.
3) I want to see Brunson and Toppin on the same court. My emotional response is that Brunson can make Toppin look like a slightly smaller Amare.
4) The guard situation needs to be resolved. Brunson, Rose, McBride, Fournier, IQ, Grimes, (Barrett) is leaving talent on the Bench. Rose is borderline untouchable. I only let him move if he asks for it. Other than that I am more hopeful of upside than sure. If there was a three for 1 that made sense, like Fournier, IQ and McBride for Mikal Bridges, that is the kind of deal I would be looking for. Suns get a bit of depth, where we consolidate. Suns don't make that deal straight up, but its the kind of trade I would be looking for.
HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:I can see Cleveland being a solid competitor for Donovan, they've got all their picks but no extra picks like NY.I'm assuming their lineup could be: Garland, DM, ?, Mobley, Jarrett. Bench: Rubio, Sexton, LaVert, Lauri.
Trade fodder: Okoro, Ochai Agbaji, Love (for salary)
Good point. However, they may have the same fear Knicks do. Meaning is DM enough and ,if not, how do you get more if you give up so many of your assets.
Feel like maybe Graland, Donovan, Mobley would be enough with Jarrett as your defensive backbone but maybe I'm wrong.
I think a team like Cleveland still would have to worry about DM at the end of his contract and if he'd still jet for NY; I would worry less if I was a team like Miami.
martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:I can see Cleveland being a solid competitor for Donovan, they've got all their picks but no extra picks like NY.I'm assuming their lineup could be: Garland, DM, ?, Mobley, Jarrett. Bench: Rubio, Sexton, LaVert, Lauri.
Trade fodder: Okoro, Ochai Agbaji, Love (for salary)
Good point. However, they may have the same fear Knicks do. Meaning is DM enough and ,if not, how do you get more if you give up so many of your assets.
Feel like maybe Graland, Donovan, Mobley would be enough with Jarrett as your defensive backbone but maybe I'm wrong.
I think a team like Cleveland still would have to worry about DM at the end of his contract and if he'd still jet for NY; I would worry less if I was a team like Miami.
I think it depends how much they value Lavert and Okoro. Cleveland's wing depth is worse than the Knicks. You make that Mitchell move if you think you have enough wings to get by. Is Okoro's offensive liabilities easier to cover up if you insert D Mitch into the lineup. Personally, I think that lineup could get by... But it's not a foregone conclusion. Also, I think Okoro would have to go in that deal anyway. The Love contract gives them a lot room in terms of salary matching, but Ainge is going to want prospects. That said, Cleveland has shown the willingness to go with zany lineup combinations. I'm probably overthinking it.
martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:I can see Cleveland being a solid competitor for Donovan, they've got all their picks but no extra picks like NY.I'm assuming their lineup could be: Garland, DM, ?, Mobley, Jarrett. Bench: Rubio, Sexton, LaVert, Lauri.
Trade fodder: Okoro, Ochai Agbaji, Love (for salary)
Good point. However, they may have the same fear Knicks do. Meaning is DM enough and ,if not, how do you get more if you give up so many of your assets.
Feel like maybe Graland, Donovan, Mobley would be enough with Jarrett as your defensive backbone but maybe I'm wrong.
I think a team like Cleveland still would have to worry about DM at the end of his contract and if he'd still jet for NY; I would worry less if I was a team like Miami.
Miami would have to trade Bam?
He is their future backbone. They start with Herro and then add from their. They have to pay Herro.
Nalod wrote:martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:I can see Cleveland being a solid competitor for Donovan, they've got all their picks but no extra picks like NY.I'm assuming their lineup could be: Garland, DM, ?, Mobley, Jarrett. Bench: Rubio, Sexton, LaVert, Lauri.
Trade fodder: Okoro, Ochai Agbaji, Love (for salary)
Good point. However, they may have the same fear Knicks do. Meaning is DM enough and ,if not, how do you get more if you give up so many of your assets.
Feel like maybe Graland, Donovan, Mobley would be enough with Jarrett as your defensive backbone but maybe I'm wrong.
I think a team like Cleveland still would have to worry about DM at the end of his contract and if he'd still jet for NY; I would worry less if I was a team like Miami.
Miami would have to trade Bam?
He is their future backbone. They start with Herro and then add from their. They have to pay Herro.
I don't know. I feel Ainge is more interested in picks at this point. If the rumors are true about RJ, then I'm sure he Ainge would take Herro into consideration. But the Heat are still short on draft capital and any other trades they could do to acquire it would defeat the purpose.
BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:I can see Cleveland being a solid competitor for Donovan, they've got all their picks but no extra picks like NY.I'm assuming their lineup could be: Garland, DM, ?, Mobley, Jarrett. Bench: Rubio, Sexton, LaVert, Lauri.
Trade fodder: Okoro, Ochai Agbaji, Love (for salary)
Good point. However, they may have the same fear Knicks do. Meaning is DM enough and ,if not, how do you get more if you give up so many of your assets.
Feel like maybe Graland, Donovan, Mobley would be enough with Jarrett as your defensive backbone but maybe I'm wrong.
I think a team like Cleveland still would have to worry about DM at the end of his contract and if he'd still jet for NY; I would worry less if I was a team like Miami.
Miami would have to trade Bam?
He is their future backbone. They start with Herro and then add from their. They have to pay Herro.
I don't know. I feel Ainge is more interested in picks at this point. If the rumors are true about RJ, then I'm sure he Ainge would take Herro into consideration. But the Heat are still short on draft capital and any other trades they could do to acquire it would defeat the purpose.
Isn't Bam extended like DM? Thought team can't pair them. Like if Nets get DM,, they have to rid of Simmons.
BRIGGS wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:5 picks and Toppin is a haul for Mitchell. I can't go further. I don't even like the unprotected nature of those picks. I'd love to have Mitchell, but not more than I like downside risk protection.Thats way to high as is. I dont even want Mitchell right now--were not considering having two smaller guards that both need the ball.
Unfortunately for you and me, we are not on the hot seat like Thibs and Rose will be if we don't make the playoffs. They are not the best backcourt parring, I agree. But this might be the move that saves Thibs and Rose job. (for now). And this is why we gathered all those picks. So I'm happy for no trade or a trade. Eitherway we will find some good in either scenario.
Season one, covid was pretty darn good. They on the hot seat for last season?
By who? Dolan? Media? Fans?
I don't see DM as necessary for Leon to keep him job.
Lets be real, you accumulate those picks for a reason. If not, they could have been employed earlier and thus mitigated last season losing if so. They could have leveraged prior. They are being patient? I'd hope they can continue to do so.
I like DM and want him. But been rooting for RJ for 3 years and can't say I'd be happy to see him go. Same for our other yoots as well. RJ a 3 year starter here. A bit different than Iq, Obi and Grimes who have promise, but have yet to fulfill it. We love potential!!!!
But I've said this before, I kind of see him as the modern day Iverson. Because of his unorthodox size, you really need to consider how you build your team around him. He's not a perfect plug and play guy.
(in contrast, someone like RJ Barrett - a clear wing - offers a lot of versatility in terms of where you play him since he's quick enough to play SG and beefy enough to play SF)
I also like where this team is headed with Brunson, the return of some live bodies to positions hit by injury (Kemba becomes Brunson; Rose is Rose; Noel is now Hartenstein), plus the presumed improvement of our young guys (in particular RJ, Quickley, Obi, Grimes, Sims).
No doubt Mitchell would add to the overall talent level of our team, but the cleanest way for us to add him is to shed some pieces that would become redundant with his addition.
Quickley/Rose: their type of play matches best with what you'd gain with Mitchell. Combo guard play with scoring. Either becomes expendable.
Fournier/Grimes: You already have a little bit of a logjam at the wing spots with RJ/Quickley/Fournier/Grimes/Reddish/Keels vying for minutes. No one's going to look like a star unless you can regularly get 32+mpg. I like RJ. He's shown enough that I think he can develop into a top 6 wing in the next few years. I'd love to keep him.
smackeddog wrote:Jonathan Macri from Knicks Film School said in his newsletter email thing that there was a reason the previous two were on the concept of trading RJ, which he can say now Bagely's comments are on the record. Definitely seems to be discussions/ possibility of trading RJ (where as for weeks it seemed like there was zero- Knicks had zero interest and considered him untouchable and Ainge had no interest. Now articles are saying we're open to moving him and Ainge is interested in him). Like I said if it's RJ and Fournier ONLY (plus maybe McBride), and that get's you out of sending Obi, IQ, Cam and Grimes, and lessens the pick load, I think you have to give it serious thought. If it's RJ AND one of the other young guns AND the same number of 1sts, it's a no deal for me.
If the choice is RJ or Obi and IQ, I'd go Obi and RJ. Forget about whether or not RJ is a star or not. RJ is the only competent wing on the roster (and Fournier too, I guess). Obi, probably isn't going to see time and IQ would become redundant in a Mitchell trade. Trading RJ would leave the roster with Grimes, who is too small to be a full time forward, and Cam, who I have absolutely no feel for. That's a scarier prospect for me.
martin wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:I can see Cleveland being a solid competitor for Donovan, they've got all their picks but no extra picks like NY.I'm assuming their lineup could be: Garland, DM, ?, Mobley, Jarrett. Bench: Rubio, Sexton, LaVert, Lauri.
Trade fodder: Okoro, Ochai Agbaji, Love (for salary)
Good point. However, they may have the same fear Knicks do. Meaning is DM enough and ,if not, how do you get more if you give up so many of your assets.
Feel like maybe Graland, Donovan, Mobley would be enough with Jarrett as your defensive backbone but maybe I'm wrong.
I think a team like Cleveland still would have to worry about DM at the end of his contract and if he'd still jet for NY; I would worry less if I was a team like Miami.
Not sure if that is enough to compete with Boston, Milwaukee, Nets, Miami and especially Sixers with Embid rolling over on Jarrett. The more important factor will be if Cleveland feels that is enough.
Agree that another factor is if DM would want to go/stay in Cleveland. He does have a trade kicker but Jazz ultimately can do what is best for them. However, DM has been a good soldier and I believe he would have some say.
EwingsGlass wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:foosballnick wrote:So the media now has the DM price at RJ, Obi (or Grimes /IQ) and 5 first rounders (3 unprotected)? Ainge must really be working his media back-channels.Can't wait for the season the start.
This. Time to play some poker.
Knicks need to stick to Obi, EF, 3 first (2 unprotected) 3 seconds. Have McBride and Roka as fillers if need be. If not. Fuck em.
I've folded and am waiting for the next hand. I don't think Mitchell makes us as much better as this requires. The time to move for him was before signing Brunson. I don't believe they co-exist based on a deeper dive into their stats. You end up with a fraction of the total ability of both. I actually am happy to take another year of the existing contracts, see if the 2022 regression was real or contrived and re-evaluate Barrett, Fournier, Randle and the 2023 draft.
Reasons for my change of mind
1) A look at Brunson and Mitchell's shot charts makes them appear to be very similar shot usage and efficiency. Given the size constraints on both, Mitchell's wingspan would have been preferable to Brunson, but Brunson only cost cap space to obtain. I don't think a lineup will be effective, I think Brunson needs a strong, sizable SG next to him to cover matchups. Barrett would work here, but he appears to be moving to SF sized bulk.
2) I think the Knicks need to consolidate some players into talent. I think the easiest way to do that is to wait until the 2023 draft and use their excess draft capital to ensure they get the players they want. The depth of the 2023 draft is such that I think they can add the SG of their dreams on a rookie scale. I don't think there is a single player they can bring in to close the gap between the Knicks and the top 10 teams in the league.
3) I want to see Brunson and Toppin on the same court. My emotional response is that Brunson can make Toppin look like a slightly smaller Amare.
4) The guard situation needs to be resolved. Brunson, Rose, McBride, Fournier, IQ, Grimes, (Barrett) is leaving talent on the Bench. Rose is borderline untouchable. I only let him move if he asks for it. Other than that I am more hopeful of upside than sure. If there was a three for 1 that made sense, like Fournier, IQ and McBride for Mikal Bridges, that is the kind of deal I would be looking for. Suns get a bit of depth, where we consolidate. Suns don't make that deal straight up, but its the kind of trade I would be looking for.
Would agree. Also makes me wonder if an Ivey deal should have been pursued more. JB does seem redundant. Although he did have success with yet another high usage player in Luka.
I know you are big on Obi but Amare was nothing like Obi. I see Obi more like a Kenny Sky Walker.
Amare was automatic from 15 and was so much more advanced in things like post moves and PnR.
I see Obi as a perfect second unit player. Instant energy. Especially on a running unit.
But agree we should wait and see how some of these questions develop.
In terms of guards. I have less faith that Rose can come back as strong as he finished the
previous season. Think EF is always going to be shopped and eventually will get a taker but closer to trade deadline. Grimes, MR and IQ seem to be long term staples. RJ is good but hard to argue he deserves a rookie max without being an All Star. Especially since his shooting and FT % are so low.
Once again, all these questions seem to make sense that we wait until trade deadline. If RJ, EF, Randle, Rose, Obi and Cam do not progress or have made little impact on winning, the natural course would be to trade them for assets and retool towards something that can. The draft may be the best along with some upcoming FAs
HofstraBBall wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:foosballnick wrote:So the media now has the DM price at RJ, Obi (or Grimes /IQ) and 5 first rounders (3 unprotected)? Ainge must really be working his media back-channels.Can't wait for the season the start.
This. Time to play some poker.
Knicks need to stick to Obi, EF, 3 first (2 unprotected) 3 seconds. Have McBride and Roka as fillers if need be. If not. Fuck em.
I've folded and am waiting for the next hand. I don't think Mitchell makes us as much better as this requires. The time to move for him was before signing Brunson. I don't believe they co-exist based on a deeper dive into their stats. You end up with a fraction of the total ability of both. I actually am happy to take another year of the existing contracts, see if the 2022 regression was real or contrived and re-evaluate Barrett, Fournier, Randle and the 2023 draft.
Reasons for my change of mind
1) A look at Brunson and Mitchell's shot charts makes them appear to be very similar shot usage and efficiency. Given the size constraints on both, Mitchell's wingspan would have been preferable to Brunson, but Brunson only cost cap space to obtain. I don't think a lineup will be effective, I think Brunson needs a strong, sizable SG next to him to cover matchups. Barrett would work here, but he appears to be moving to SF sized bulk.
2) I think the Knicks need to consolidate some players into talent. I think the easiest way to do that is to wait until the 2023 draft and use their excess draft capital to ensure they get the players they want. The depth of the 2023 draft is such that I think they can add the SG of their dreams on a rookie scale. I don't think there is a single player they can bring in to close the gap between the Knicks and the top 10 teams in the league.
3) I want to see Brunson and Toppin on the same court. My emotional response is that Brunson can make Toppin look like a slightly smaller Amare.
4) The guard situation needs to be resolved. Brunson, Rose, McBride, Fournier, IQ, Grimes, (Barrett) is leaving talent on the Bench. Rose is borderline untouchable. I only let him move if he asks for it. Other than that I am more hopeful of upside than sure. If there was a three for 1 that made sense, like Fournier, IQ and McBride for Mikal Bridges, that is the kind of deal I would be looking for. Suns get a bit of depth, where we consolidate. Suns don't make that deal straight up, but its the kind of trade I would be looking for.
Would agree. Also makes me wonder if an Ivey deal should have been pursued more. JB does seem redundant. Although he did have success with yet another high usage player in Luka.
I know you are big on Obi but Amare was nothing like Obi. I see Obi more like a Kenny Sky Walker.
Amare was automatic from 15 and was so much more advanced in things like post moves and PnR.
I see Obi as a perfect second unit player. Instant energy. Especially on a running unit.
But agree we should wait and see how some of these questions develop.In terms of guards. I have less faith that Rose can come back as strong as he finished the
previous season. Think EF is always going to be shopped and eventually will get a taker but closer to trade deadline. Grimes, MR and IQ seem to be long term staples. RJ is good but hard to argue he deserves a rookie max without being an All Star. Especially since his shooting and FT % are so low.Once again, all these questions seem to make sense that we wait until trade deadline. If RJ, EF, Randle, Rose, Obi and Cam do not progressed or have made an impact on winning, the natural course would be to trade them for assets and retool towards something that can compete for a chip.
I'm not sure Ivey was ever realistic. Detroit had no real intention of trading him unless the Knicks offered a super package out of desperation. I agree the Knicks need to consolidate their talent. Not sure they'll have any more success moving up in 2023 than they've had any other year. But now, even Mitchell in the equation, they have a guard glut in the roster. I'd like to see an influx of combo forwards on the roster if possible.
blkexec wrote:BRIGGS wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:5 picks and Toppin is a haul for Mitchell. I can't go further. I don't even like the unprotected nature of those picks. I'd love to have Mitchell, but not more than I like downside risk protection.Thats way to high as is. I dont even want Mitchell right now--were not considering having two smaller guards that both need the ball.
Unfortunately for you and me, we are not on the hot seat like Thibs and Rose will be if we don't make the playoffs. They are not the best backcourt parring, I agree. But this might be the move that saves Thibs and Rose job. (for now). And this is why we gathered all those picks. So I'm happy for no trade or a trade. Eitherway we will find some good in either scenario.
If there was a year to tank, this is a decent one. Better to be really good or really bad. Anything in between is just meh.
BigDaddyG wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:foosballnick wrote:So the media now has the DM price at RJ, Obi (or Grimes /IQ) and 5 first rounders (3 unprotected)? Ainge must really be working his media back-channels.Can't wait for the season the start.
This. Time to play some poker.
Knicks need to stick to Obi, EF, 3 first (2 unprotected) 3 seconds. Have McBride and Roka as fillers if need be. If not. Fuck em.
I've folded and am waiting for the next hand. I don't think Mitchell makes us as much better as this requires. The time to move for him was before signing Brunson. I don't believe they co-exist based on a deeper dive into their stats. You end up with a fraction of the total ability of both. I actually am happy to take another year of the existing contracts, see if the 2022 regression was real or contrived and re-evaluate Barrett, Fournier, Randle and the 2023 draft.
Reasons for my change of mind
1) A look at Brunson and Mitchell's shot charts makes them appear to be very similar shot usage and efficiency. Given the size constraints on both, Mitchell's wingspan would have been preferable to Brunson, but Brunson only cost cap space to obtain. I don't think a lineup will be effective, I think Brunson needs a strong, sizable SG next to him to cover matchups. Barrett would work here, but he appears to be moving to SF sized bulk.
2) I think the Knicks need to consolidate some players into talent. I think the easiest way to do that is to wait until the 2023 draft and use their excess draft capital to ensure they get the players they want. The depth of the 2023 draft is such that I think they can add the SG of their dreams on a rookie scale. I don't think there is a single player they can bring in to close the gap between the Knicks and the top 10 teams in the league.
3) I want to see Brunson and Toppin on the same court. My emotional response is that Brunson can make Toppin look like a slightly smaller Amare.
4) The guard situation needs to be resolved. Brunson, Rose, McBride, Fournier, IQ, Grimes, (Barrett) is leaving talent on the Bench. Rose is borderline untouchable. I only let him move if he asks for it. Other than that I am more hopeful of upside than sure. If there was a three for 1 that made sense, like Fournier, IQ and McBride for Mikal Bridges, that is the kind of deal I would be looking for. Suns get a bit of depth, where we consolidate. Suns don't make that deal straight up, but its the kind of trade I would be looking for.
Would agree. Also makes me wonder if an Ivey deal should have been pursued more. JB does seem redundant. Although he did have success with yet another high usage player in Luka.
I know you are big on Obi but Amare was nothing like Obi. I see Obi more like a Kenny Sky Walker.
Amare was automatic from 15 and was so much more advanced in things like post moves and PnR.
I see Obi as a perfect second unit player. Instant energy. Especially on a running unit.
But agree we should wait and see how some of these questions develop.In terms of guards. I have less faith that Rose can come back as strong as he finished the
previous season. Think EF is always going to be shopped and eventually will get a taker but closer to trade deadline. Grimes, MR and IQ seem to be long term staples. RJ is good but hard to argue he deserves a rookie max without being an All Star. Especially since his shooting and FT % are so low.Once again, all these questions seem to make sense that we wait until trade deadline. If RJ, EF, Randle, Rose, Obi and Cam do not progressed or have made an impact on winning, the natural course would be to trade them for assets and retool towards something that can compete for a chip.
I'm not sure Ivey was ever realistic. Detroit had no real intention of trading him unless the Knicks offered a super package out of desperation. I agree the Knicks need to consolidate their talent. Not sure they'll have any more success moving up in 2023 than they've had any other year. But now, even Mitchell in the equation, they have a guard glut in the roster. I'd like to see an influx of combo forwards on the roster if possible.
Cam does fill that need but as said, he has yet to establish/salary. Grimes also but he gets two more years! Based on present needs if DM is traded for IQ or Drose needs to go.
Rudy Gay seems to be part of some packages.
I can't properly value RJ but he is easy worth two of the protecteds in my narrow view. We can argue all his labels but he avged like 24 pts in the last 12 weeks of the season. He is often over looked by his peer groups.
If no DM trade, and team is .500 and progressing I doubt EF gets off loaded unless an offer we can't refuse and GrimeTime is for real.