Knicks · Estimated range of all our 1st round picks for the next few years? (page 1)

Stevo718 @ 7/24/2022 5:30 PM
Does anyone know? I think that would definitely help with the assessment of the possible Mitchell trade? I’m guessing realistically the best top 3 first round picks would be in the 6-10 pick range?
fishmike @ 7/25/2022 12:59 PM
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

lots of protection... we could offer our picks with no protection but one would assume we would be a playoff team so its hard to say

2023 first round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]

2023 first round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2023, 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

2023 first round draft pick from Washington
Washington's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026; if Washington has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2026, then Washington will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Houston-Washington, 12/2/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

2024 second round draft pick from Utah or Cleveland (more favorable)
New York will receive the more favorable of Utah's 2024 2nd round pick and Cleveland's 2024 2nd round pick; Memphis will receive the more favorable of (i) Indiana's 2024 second round pick and (ii) the less favorable of the Utah pick and the Cleveland pick and Indiana will receive the least favorable of the three (via Utah's right to swap for Cleveland; via Milwaukee to Memphis) [Cleveland-Sacramento-Utah, 2/8/2018; New York-Utah, 11/22/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Indiana-Milwaukee, 7/30/2021; Memphis-Milwaukee, 8/7/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2024 2nd round pick to New York (via L.A. Clippers) [Brooklyn-Detroit-L.A. Clippers, 11/19/2020; L.A. Clippers-New York, 7/30/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-60 or to New York protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and/or New York will thereafter be extinguished) (via Cleveland to Detroit to Philadelphia to New York) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]

2025 first round draft pick from Milwaukee
Milwaukee's 2025 1st round pick to New Orleans protected for selections 5-30 or to New York protected for selections 1-4 (Milwaukee's obligation to New Orleans or New York will thereafter be extinguished) (via New Orleans to Portland to Detroit to New York) [Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020; New Orleans-Portland, 2/8/2022; Detroit-Portland, 7/6/2022; Detroit-New York, 7/6/2022]

2025 second round draft pick from Brooklyn
Brooklyn's 2025 2nd round pick to New York (via Atlanta) [Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/13/2018; Atlanta-New York, 1/13/2022]

2025 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2025 2nd round pick to New York protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Detroit's obligation to New York will be extinguished) [Detroit-New York, 7/11/2022]

Nalod @ 7/26/2022 1:16 PM
Im not gonna do it, but how does it compare to what Minny gave up for Rudy?
While it was a haul, the chemistry of what rudy does and an do for KAT could make it very much all the while worth it.
That they have Edwards who might be unstoppable soon and D'angelo Russell all add up for what could amount to a contending team. very well coached too!
EwingsGlass @ 7/26/2022 1:52 PM
Nalod wrote:Im not gonna do it, but how does it compare to what Minny gave up for Rudy?
While it was a haul, the chemistry of what rudy does and an do for KAT could make it very much all the while worth it.
That they have Edwards who might be unstoppable soon and D'angelo Russell all add up for what could amount to a contending team. very well coached too!

Gobert is arguable the piece that puts Minnesota over the top. I think Gobert adds 5 wins and puts them in contention for top 5 in the west. Especially with Utah imploding and LAL's days numbered. Russell/Edwards/Anderson/KAT/Gobert is pretty well constructed team. Its missing the killer 3pt efficiency to handle a team like GSW, but they should be able to hang with all other teams on this list. Memphis lost SloMo to Minn, so they may take a small step back from last year's amazing performance.

Reasonable people can differ, but the west looks like this to me. Certainly can vary a bit, but with Utah and SA showing tank, you have two playoff/play-in teams that are likely falling out of contention, while Clippers and Lakers may come back into contention.

1) GSW
2) Phoenix
3) Memphis
4) Minn
5) LAC
6) Dallas
7) Den
8) NOP
9) LAL
10) Portland

SergioNYK @ 7/27/2022 9:50 AM
I will always expect the worst with this franchise (20 years of evidence) so I don't feel good at all about surrendering unprotected picks 3-7 years from now. Chances are likely 90% of the current roster will be gone so how can you take that risk? Especially when you're trading for a player who is NOT an MVP level franchise changing player.
martin @ 7/27/2022 10:09 AM
SergioNYK wrote:I will always expect the worst with this franchise (20 years of evidence) so I don't feel good at all about surrendering unprotected picks 3-7 years from now. Chances are likely 90% of the current roster will be gone so how can you take that risk? Especially when you're trading for a player who is NOT an MVP level franchise changing player.

I don't mean to sound flippant, but why do you bother watching or following the Knicks?

If your take is that the team sucks and will continue to suck for no apparent reason, why bother?

The Knicks FO is completely different as of 2+ years ago and have acted completely different than previous FO's. They are a team that is stacked with assets and decent young players. Literally one of only a handful of teams that is in the market to be able to trade for a semi star.

Caseloads @ 7/27/2022 10:25 AM
martin wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:I will always expect the worst with this franchise (20 years of evidence) so I don't feel good at all about surrendering unprotected picks 3-7 years from now. Chances are likely 90% of the current roster will be gone so how can you take that risk? Especially when you're trading for a player who is NOT an MVP level franchise changing player.

I don't mean to sound flippant, but why do you bother watching or following the Knicks?

If your take is that the team sucks and will continue to suck for no apparent reason, why bother?

The Knicks FO is completely different as of 2+ years ago and have acted completely different than previous FO's. They are a team that is stacked with assets and decent young players. Literally one of only a handful of teams that is in the market to be able to trade for a semi star.

Martin, do you disagree with Sergio?

Based upon our history, I would not trade any unprotected picks for a 6-1 sg

Would rather ant edwards

martin @ 7/27/2022 10:43 AM
Caseloads wrote:
martin wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:I will always expect the worst with this franchise (20 years of evidence) so I don't feel good at all about surrendering unprotected picks 3-7 years from now. Chances are likely 90% of the current roster will be gone so how can you take that risk? Especially when you're trading for a player who is NOT an MVP level franchise changing player.

I don't mean to sound flippant, but why do you bother watching or following the Knicks?

If your take is that the team sucks and will continue to suck for no apparent reason, why bother?

The Knicks FO is completely different as of 2+ years ago and have acted completely different than previous FO's. They are a team that is stacked with assets and decent young players. Literally one of only a handful of teams that is in the market to be able to trade for a semi star.

Martin, do you disagree with Sergio?

Based upon our history, I would not trade any unprotected picks for a 6-1 sg

Would rather ant edwards

Do you think it's worth evaluating the current FO against what the previous ones did? Cause I don't.

After you break up with one gf, do you judge the next one by whatever you went through by the one you just dumped and what she did? Cause that's what you are asking me

That's how ridiculous I find your question.

martin @ 7/27/2022 10:47 AM
Caseloads wrote:Would rather ant edwards

It's a non sequester that has nothing to do with anything.

I'd rather have prime Dream Team suit up for the Knicks with maybe a splash of Rebecca hosting a sleepover but that shit ain't happening either.

fishmike @ 7/27/2022 10:57 AM
Caseloads wrote:
martin wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:I will always expect the worst with this franchise (20 years of evidence) so I don't feel good at all about surrendering unprotected picks 3-7 years from now. Chances are likely 90% of the current roster will be gone so how can you take that risk? Especially when you're trading for a player who is NOT an MVP level franchise changing player.

I don't mean to sound flippant, but why do you bother watching or following the Knicks?

If your take is that the team sucks and will continue to suck for no apparent reason, why bother?

The Knicks FO is completely different as of 2+ years ago and have acted completely different than previous FO's. They are a team that is stacked with assets and decent young players. Literally one of only a handful of teams that is in the market to be able to trade for a semi star.

Martin, do you disagree with Sergio?

Based upon our history, I would not trade any unprotected picks for a 6-1 sg

Would rather ant edwards

OUR history is NOT the history of Rose/Thibs and this current FO. Imagine starting a new job and getting a bunch of side eye because the last couple folks who sat in your seat SUCKED so therefore based on history you should SUCK also.

It just makes so little real world sense unless you thin Dolan is running day to day BB affairs which we all know he is NOT.

Im with Martin regarding Sergio... like why invest any time in something that brings you no joy? Why follow a team you dont like. Just take a break until its worth it again or something.. idk, its odd but to each their own

martin @ 7/27/2022 11:38 AM
Pretend Phil Jackson is still the president of the Knicks and let me know your thoughts and why Phil will fuck up the DMitchell situation.

Phil fucking Jackson is not the president of the Knicks.

MaTT4281 @ 7/27/2022 4:57 PM
martin wrote:Pretend Phil Jackson is still the president of the Knicks and let me know your thoughts and why Phil will fuck up the DMitchell situation.

Phil fucking Jackson is not the president of the Knicks.

Exactly - Leon is more than a foot shorter than Phil, I bet we'll get way more guys who can do a pullup on his bicep!

GustavBahler @ 7/27/2022 5:22 PM
We havent seen a quality starting PG on the Knicks, who could play well for more than half a season. In many years. Many years.

That should be enough to make any Knicks fan want to see how things turn out. With or without Mitchell.

Caseloads @ 7/28/2022 9:37 AM
I’m sorry. I don’t care who the gm/president is of the knicks. I’m glad there is optimism with the new front office. Last season, better squad than the season prior, we still missed the playoffs. Injuries happen. If this front office is smart, then they should learn from previous mistakes- do not trade unprotected picks
martin @ 7/28/2022 10:39 AM
Caseloads wrote:I’m sorry. I don’t care who the gm/president is of the knicks. I’m glad there is optimism with the new front office. Last season, better squad than the season prior, we still missed the playoffs. Injuries happen. If this front office is smart, then they should learn from previous mistakes- do not trade unprotected picks

Not for nothing but you are then making an assessment based on a curve that would be impossible to trade for an all star or mega star.

Every team needs to make calculated risks; got to evaluate who you are trading for and what risk level you and FO team is up for taking.

Throwing out a bland platitude of you "don't care who the GM/president is" and flatly stating you won't trade unprotected picks is thin and quite honestly not very thoughtful.

There is a reason this trade hasn't gone down and it shows a level of patience you are obviously missing.

Rookie @ 7/28/2022 11:36 AM
for comparison, James Harden to the Nets 4 unprotected 1st round picks.

I get that Mitchell is younger but Harden is clearly the better player and the Mitchell will get to another level hype is not based on anything concrete.

EwingsGlass @ 7/28/2022 11:55 AM
Rookie wrote:for comparison, James Harden to the Nets 4 unprotected 1st round picks.

I get that Mitchell is younger but Harden is clearly the better player and the Mitchell will get to another level hype is not based on anything concrete.

Those picks SHOULD have been number 26-30 in those drafts. It was a terrible move by Bklyn. It doesn't make sense to repeat that mistake.

Nalod @ 7/28/2022 1:47 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Rookie wrote:for comparison, James Harden to the Nets 4 unprotected 1st round picks.

I get that Mitchell is younger but Harden is clearly the better player and the Mitchell will get to another level hype is not based on anything concrete.

Those picks SHOULD have been number 26-30 in those drafts. It was a terrible move by Bklyn. It doesn't make sense to repeat that mistake.



But.......>They went for it with Garnett and Pierce. It failed. Still, they rebuild in a few years to get to a place were they got Durant, Harden and Kyrie. they made a run.
A toe length of beating Milwaukee.
Then Covid/Kyrie. It failed.
Look at them now.........
They have three allstars on the roster. Simmons, Durant and Kyrie. Joe Harris returning. Not a game has been played.
Ok, if they blowing it up, lets see how they actually do this before we say "don't be like Nets". Lets just say that doing nothing because we might not succeed is kind of sad in a way too.

And why we all tripping as if the deal was done? Ainge set the price. If the trade works and we a top 5 team in the east those picks are in the 20's.

SergioNYK @ 7/28/2022 2:05 PM
martin wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:I will always expect the worst with this franchise (20 years of evidence) so I don't feel good at all about surrendering unprotected picks 3-7 years from now. Chances are likely 90% of the current roster will be gone so how can you take that risk? Especially when you're trading for a player who is NOT an MVP level franchise changing player.

I don't mean to sound flippant, but why do you bother watching or following the Knicks?

If your take is that the team sucks and will continue to suck for no apparent reason, why bother?

The Knicks FO is completely different as of 2+ years ago and have acted completely different than previous FO's. They are a team that is stacked with assets and decent young players. Literally one of only a handful of teams that is in the market to be able to trade for a semi star.

I'm not one of those doom and gloom everything and everyone sucks fans! I get great joy out of watching RJ, Obi, IQ, Grimes, Sims and I also support Thibs! The only aspects of this current team I'm pessimistic about are Randle and Fournier. I don't see them changing for the better. Especially Randle.

As far giving this front office the benefit of doubt, I'm not there yet. Aside from drafting 'pretty good, not great' what have they done? We got gentlemen swept against Atlanta in the pandemic year and we were mediocre last year. They had an awful offseason last summer and haven't really made any big move aside from Brunson who I do like but we'll wait and see if he moves he needle much.

And let's see first if these so-called assets can get us something. Just because I do not blindly support the team 110% and already trust Leon and co. doesn't mean I'm not fan!

fishmike @ 7/28/2022 2:29 PM
SergioNYK wrote:
martin wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:I will always expect the worst with this franchise (20 years of evidence) so I don't feel good at all about surrendering unprotected picks 3-7 years from now. Chances are likely 90% of the current roster will be gone so how can you take that risk? Especially when you're trading for a player who is NOT an MVP level franchise changing player.

I don't mean to sound flippant, but why do you bother watching or following the Knicks?

If your take is that the team sucks and will continue to suck for no apparent reason, why bother?

The Knicks FO is completely different as of 2+ years ago and have acted completely different than previous FO's. They are a team that is stacked with assets and decent young players. Literally one of only a handful of teams that is in the market to be able to trade for a semi star.

I'm not one of those doom and gloom everything and everyone sucks fans! I get great joy out of watching RJ, Obi, IQ, Grimes, Sims and I also support Thibs! The only aspects of this current team I'm pessimistic about are Randle and Fournier. I don't see them changing for the better. Especially Randle.

As far giving this front office the benefit of doubt, I'm not there yet. Aside from drafting 'pretty good, not great' what have they done? We got gentlemen swept against Atlanta in the pandemic year and we were mediocre last year. They had an awful offseason last summer and haven't really made any big move aside from Brunson who I do like but we'll wait and see if he moves he needle much.

And let's see first if these so-called assets can get us something. Just because I do not blindly support the team 110% and already trust Leon and co. doesn't mean I'm not fan!

on one hand you say "they havent done anything yet" and on the other you say "I get great joy in watching all the guys they drafted"

You funny

We like the same things btw... we have a good young team with size and hops and now we have a legit floor general who "plays the right way" and a coach that is likely to get the most from them and build chemistry. We have a long ways to go but it should be a fun squad to watch develop. Good future

martin @ 7/28/2022 3:03 PM
SergioNYK wrote:
martin wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:I will always expect the worst with this franchise (20 years of evidence) so I don't feel good at all about surrendering unprotected picks 3-7 years from now. Chances are likely 90% of the current roster will be gone so how can you take that risk? Especially when you're trading for a player who is NOT an MVP level franchise changing player.

I don't mean to sound flippant, but why do you bother watching or following the Knicks?

If your take is that the team sucks and will continue to suck for no apparent reason, why bother?

The Knicks FO is completely different as of 2+ years ago and have acted completely different than previous FO's. They are a team that is stacked with assets and decent young players. Literally one of only a handful of teams that is in the market to be able to trade for a semi star.

I'm not one of those doom and gloom everything and everyone sucks fans! I get great joy out of watching RJ, Obi, IQ, Grimes, Sims and I also support Thibs! The only aspects of this current team I'm pessimistic about are Randle and Fournier. I don't see them changing for the better. Especially Randle.

As far giving this front office the benefit of doubt, I'm not there yet. Aside from drafting 'pretty good, not great' what have they done? We got gentlemen swept against Atlanta in the pandemic year and we were mediocre last year. They had an awful offseason last summer and haven't really made any big move aside from Brunson who I do like but we'll wait and see if he moves he needle much.

And let's see first if these so-called assets can get us something. Just because I do not blindly support the team 110% and already trust Leon and co. doesn't mean I'm not fan!

In a vacuum, you don't think going from a 21 win team (and this wasnt the Steph Curry with Klay are out for the year and no one is left type bad season) to 4th seed is not very much? I get that it may have been during COVID but every team had the same challenges.

And you don't have to give any front office the benefit of doubt, you just have to assess them, doesn't seem like you are actually doing that.

IMO you are very much a doom and gloom fan

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