this shit is insane. Carmelo Anthony was more established than Donovan Mitchell, yet Danny freaking Ainge is making the Melo deal look cheap
look, I want Donovan, but it is probably best to politely decline, let the Jazz deal with their one reporter asking what the deal is after every practice, and then wait until the deadline. they want us to pay a premium because it's the offseason. well, tighten the screws and let them deal with Mitchell getting close to his walk date
Jimbo5 wrote:Would you be upset if the news breaks out the Mitchell is finally traded to the hornets or the wizards? Im actually starting to be indifferent on the Mitchell situation, dont get me wrong il would like him to be a knick this coming season but with the looks of it the trade package the jazz is asking from the knicks will surpass the melo trade package by a mile. I already dont like the melo package. I would be upset with the news if the package from the wizards or hornets could be easily topped by the knicks but if its a historic haul im fime with it. There is still a chance Mitchell wouldn't re-sign with his new team, he clearly loves New York.Im waiting for the thunder to start with the second phase of their rebuilding plan, the way the 76er did, trading their young players and starting to be more relevant. Maybe SGA will be available, a Brunson-SGA-RJ would be nice.
Hornets and Wiz have traded their 2023 picks (with protections). Both would have to remove the protections then could trade 2024, 2026, 2028. They could sweeten it with pick swaps but at least 2025 would have limited value as the Jazz only keep their own pick if it's top ten. Hornets could also toss in Denver's pick for next year, but that's likely to be at the end of the first round.
Knicks could beat all these offers a lot less painfully. The Dallas Wiz and Pistons picks plus 2023 and 2025 unprotected is a better deal. I think the Knicks front office has been pretty savvy in terms of not bidding against themselves. Randle Brunson Fournier Burks were all good signings and even Kemba and Noel weren't bad considering the information available at the time.
Knicks could trade up to 8 picks for DM (own 2023,25,27,29 & DEAL DET WAS MIL). That's not the most in the league (OKC has more) but relatively the Knicks could outbid most other destinations.
martin wrote:TheGame wrote:The issue is who other than Mitchell is available? Zach Levine just resigned. Who else is worth a huge trade offer that is both under 28 and available? I cannot think of anyone worth the offer other than maybe Jalen Brown who I would value more than Mitchell because he is a far superior defensive player, but even for Jalen Brown, I would not give up seven picks. I think the Knicks should explore options but I think Mitchell is the top player available and we will eventually get him. I just hope the Knicks limit the picks to four and only give up two of our four young players. If Utah is not willing to take it, then just forego the trade and stick to what we have. By the trade deadline another allstar will be available.
Before this offseason - let's say summer 2021 - who would have thought Gobert, Mitchell, Kyrie, Durant would come up on the market?
Who thought Jalen Bruson would be a nice addition? Who thought Russel would be that terrible?
Something will pop. Wiggins out there.
I don’t see Golden State trading Wiggins or not resigning him. He was their second or at worst third best player in the playoffs. They would be better off trading the older Thompson before trading Wiggins.
I agree that there will be options and that is why the Knicks are smart in not increasing their offer to Utah. Mitchell is good but we will survive if we don’t get him and another opportunity will open up by the trade deadline or next summer.
gradyandrew wrote:TheGame wrote:The issue is who other than Mitchell is available? Zach Levine just resigned. Who else is worth a huge trade offer that is both under 28 and available? I cannot think of anyone worth the offer other than maybe Jalen Brown who I would value more than Mitchell because he is a far superior defensive player, but even for Jalen Brown, I would not give up seven picks. I think the Knicks should explore options but I think Mitchell is the top player available and we will eventually get him. I just hope the Knicks limit the picks to four and only give up two of our four young players. If Utah is not willing to take it, then just forego the trade and stick to what we have. By the trade deadline another allstar will be available.
Whatever value DM had to the Knicks was severely impacted by the Brunson signing. How many lead guards do you need? I don't even see a DM trade as a for sure bet that it will improve the Knicks. Again, you're not replacing Elfrid or Kemba's possessions, you're replacing Brunson's, after Brunson outplayed DM in the playoffs.
From Utah's standpoint, they have never been a big FA destination so I'm not really sure cap space means anything to them. At the end of the season it was said Utah would move one or the other and they did. I don't think they are desperate to move on from DM.
As for who else is available- how about KD? That's a move that automatically raises the roof and kind of puts everyone into place. Trade wise- Fournier RJ Obi and IQ for KD work, in addition to the 7 picks. Knicks would have only 10 guys so they would have to fill out the rest of the roster with available FA's- Carmelo Iggy Bledsoe would be possibilities. Knicks would roll with:
Brunson/ Rose/ McBride
Grimes/ Bledsoe
KD/ Reddish/ Iggy
Randle/ Melo
Robinson/ Hart/ Sims
I'm not sure if that makes the Knicks contenders- it still looks like they would be a trade or two away but it gets them close depending on how well Randle can shoot the 3.
KD is a great player but he is 34 years old. If the team does not immediately gel, then he will be demanding another trade by next summer. If we could get KD for Toppin, IQ, and 3 picks, you would have to do it but I don’t think that is the direction the team wants to go, and KD comes with a lot of risk due to age and his willingness to demand a trade.
Screw KD. Screw Danny. C’mon October 19th!
SupremeCommander wrote:this shit is insane. Carmelo Anthony was more established than Donovan Mitchell, yet Danny freaking Ainge is making the Melo deal look cheaplook, I want Donovan, but it is probably best to politely decline, let the Jazz deal with their one reporter asking what the deal is after every practice, and then wait until the deadline. they want us to pay a premium because it's the offseason. well, tighten the screws and let them deal with Mitchell getting close to his walk date
Melo had leverage. Was walking into a opt out. His sense of urgency was a strike and a balky knee that required minor surgery. He wanted to go under the knife with a new contract, not as a free agent. Melo wanted to be in NYC. Melo asked to be traded and it went on for a while. It all added up.
This matters. Yes, Melo was an multi year allstar. So is DM. But DM is a bit younger with a 3 years left on a deal.
This makes him valuable. This is a different era.
Not all picks are the same value or projected to be.
I keep reading what Ainge wants and some fans getting mad at knicks for that. Nope, that trade has not happend. That making that deal won’t do anything either.
Siakim. Big contract and should come without a big price. I see 6-7 RJ as our wing going forward. At a lower price Siakim as our 3 with RJ at the 2 is cool in my book. Im not close to giving up on RJ NOT being an allstar.
I get Utah don’t want Randle. What do they want and what do they get are very different things. DM has not said a thing which is telling. He is not asking out. Melo did. He is not asking to be traded to a city. Melo did. Durant wants out. Dm has not stated this. This is not about a disgruntled player wanting out with very specific leverage as to where they will resign. Kawhai was walking. SAS got what they could. Raps got it done with a one year rental and Marc Gasol. Good for them, if not, it looks bad as Derozen is still going strong and Marc Gasol fell off really quick were Valachunas is still going good. Hindsight matters.
Send 6 first round picks plus Obi and Randle to Utah for Mitchell
If this drags on through the season the knicks current favorite status to land Mitchell might deminish. If a tanking team which can possibly have the best chance to get a top 3 pick expresses interest on Mitchell engages with the Jazz. On the other hand what competently run team will dangle a possible Victor pick for Mitchell, i guess its not a valid concern.
Is there a way to make Danny accept a package of Grimes, fournier, Cam and Deuce plus 4 1st rounders.
Engage Hornets for a trade to deal Randle for a back up 4, a back up 3 and a 1st.
