Knicks · Improvement all around (page 1)

Center position improved Robinson a year older Hartenstein back up Sims valuable 3rd wheel

PF Rabdle hopefully stabilized in many ways obi is a year older I think we improve Couldve drafted a 3-4 hybrid but did not

SF Barrett a year older Cam reddish healthy can also play 3 guards with IQ

SG Fournier Grimes IQ

PG bruns new impact player who controls ball Rose healthy? IQ

Even though i have iq as back up--he could be a substantial time player in various scenarios

Like to keep randle at 28-32 min and increase obi IQ and Grimes

BRIGGS wrote:Center position improved Robinson a year older Hartenstein back up Sims valuable 3rd wheel

PF Rabdle hopefully stabilized in many ways obi is a year older I think we improve Couldve drafted a 3-4 hybrid but did not

SF Barrett a year older Cam reddish healthy can also play 3 guards with IQ

SG Fournier Grimes IQ

PG bruns new impact player who controls ball Rose healthy? IQ

Even though i have iq as back up--he could be a substantial time player in various scenarios

Like to keep randle at 28-32 min and increase obi IQ and Grimes

I like all of that ideally though they would lower Randle’s minutes. My take on this is Thibs needs to give the youth more minutes so the starters aren’t burned out come the playoffs. Hi s also needs to stop with the hockey substitutions and mix and match his starters more.

BRIGGS wrote:Center position improved Robinson a year older Hartenstein back up Sims valuable 3rd wheel

PF Rabdle hopefully stabilized in many ways obi is a year older I think we improve Couldve drafted a 3-4 hybrid but did not

SF Barrett a year older Cam reddish healthy can also play 3 guards with IQ

SG Fournier Grimes IQ

PG bruns new impact player who controls ball Rose healthy? IQ

Even though i have iq as back up--he could be a substantial time player in various scenarios

Like to keep randle at 28-32 min and increase obi IQ and Grimes

At Center, I like that the Knicks have a few different looks. Robinson coming back in shape with a full offseason to train and free of injuries is huge. Hart is a different kind of Center, I love his passing and that trailing 3. I am hopeful that his Per-36 numbers hold up in actual minutes. Sims is exciting, but the thing I like about him most is his foot speed and ability to close out to the perimeter while staying in front of smaller players. That skill set is not talked about enough.

At PF, I am not sure we improved. Randle gets a clean slate with the new season, but I think his game needs to change. Toppin should benefit from Brunson’s signing.

At SF, I think we are still playing Barrett out of position. He looks bigger and stronger so maybe he will earn that. He needs to recover his outside shot and get his FT shot worked out. Hoping that added strength will help him get to the line some more. I’m encouraged though.

SG - Fournier showed signs of fitting in better at the end of last year. I would like to see him in the second unit (preferably for Utah) but will do my best to keep an open mind. I just don’t appreciate the things he does well and can stop thinking about how he often he loses his man on D. He is the weakest link.

Brunson is a reason to be excited. I wasn’t as up on him as many folk, mostly because of his defensive numbers, but I’m glad he is home.

Healthy Derrick Rose wills this team to victory.

Last 5 games of last year IQ looks closer to Dame than most. Looking forward to him getting more looks.

Grimes took a lot of shots in Summer League. I’m not as blown away as most here, but he’s still young, I hope he continues to progress. Those FT numbers make it seem likely his 3pt numbers will improve.

Reddish - I liked that Reddish took the tough defensive assignments in ATL. Hope he can earn some minutes here. Same with Grimes, those FT numbers make me believe his 3 pt will improve.

McBride - I’m a believer, but gonna be hard for him to find minutes.

Bench? I’m hoping we get Melo back and Tony Snell with our remaining roster slots.

Don’t really understand the Keels pick (still). Hope they just have him working on conditioning in GLeague. That Duke squad was pretty good, but the kid needs to get his foot speed up soon. He’s young. But he has to put more work in than anyone else.

Improvement in a vaccuum. Others too have improved.
All things the same, how does it translate to wins?
Brunson give up 4 games to .500?
Our best player last year was RJ. “Rumors” today have him expendable over Grimes if a trade materializes with Utah. Ainge has to pay him and if your wiping the slate clean thats not what you do to start.
Im not about to transpose my thoughts to what Leon is thinking. I like the “reports” that our FO is pushing back on the ask from Utah and we thinking beyond.
Read that Adding DM gets us to 47 games but the really hard part is going form 47 to 57 wins.
To be fair, Im trying to understand Dm’s value in todays market. His age, contract and relative health history speaks to the high ask. I respect it. Not sure I agree but not my job to.
DM is 6-3 with a 7foot wingspan. I won’t lapse into the boiler plate generic lame that pigeon holes him as a PG and only that. He a playmaker and scorer with playoff cred. Im ok with Obi, IQ, Fornier and 4 picks. That might be low. But its my take and I suppose we go to 5 picks? Or sprinkle some 2nd round magic dust!

Hopefully no more of this (from the realgm board):

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I don’t feel like I’ve improved at all.

Honestly, I may have even take a step back.

ToddTT wrote:I don’t feel like I’ve improved at all.

Honestly, I may have even take a step back.

Lol. I hear ya brother.

Many teams are better also. But The notion that we should wait to see what brunson can do is not a bad idea. MY issue is DM is available. I read he is good for a 10 game improvement. 37 to 47. I have read also that the next step to 57 wins is far tougher.
But, lets figure what does Brunson effect?

No two players are the same but in my mind he won’t be as good as a healthy Kemba Walker. Thats something we had very little of and it was without Mitch, was with covid affected RJ, EF was a bit lost, and Randle was bent out of shape. It was about .500.
Way too much a short sample.
I can see with Brunson knicks not getting out to a great start if roles are changed. That being Randle is tentative and RJ has too has to find a pace that was not “Try to score all the time”. 47pts vs Miami was cool!

I like this team with our without Mitchell. Its tempting to just discard picks for instant gradification.

Nalod wrote:Many teams are better also. But The notion that we should wait to see what brunson can do is not a bad idea. MY issue is DM is available. I read he is good for a 10 game improvement. 37 to 47. I have read also that the next step to 57 wins is far tougher.
But, lets figure what does Brunson effect?

No two players are the same but in my mind he won’t be as good as a healthy Kemba Walker. Thats something we had very little of and it was without Mitch, was with covid affected RJ, EF was a bit lost, and Randle was bent out of shape. It was about .500.
Way too much a short sample.
I can see with Brunson knicks not getting out to a great start if roles are changed. That being Randle is tentative and RJ has too has to find a pace that was not “Try to score all the time”. 47pts vs Miami was cool!

I like this team with our without Mitchell. Its tempting to just discard picks for instant gradification.

I do.

At his height, Kemba may have had quickness over Brunson but I feel like Brunson makes up for this with both strength and footwork that gives him a huge advantage in the mid-range and general shooting overall. On top of that, I think Brunson is a better passer, organizer, and ball caretaker.

Brunson will never be a scoring machine, that's just not his game, but he can certainly fill it up when he needs to as we saw against Utah.

Dude is a winner and brings all those intangibles with him. I'd take Brunson over healthy Kemba all day, every day.

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Many teams are better also. But The notion that we should wait to see what brunson can do is not a bad idea. MY issue is DM is available. I read he is good for a 10 game improvement. 37 to 47. I have read also that the next step to 57 wins is far tougher.
But, lets figure what does Brunson effect?

No two players are the same but in my mind he won’t be as good as a healthy Kemba Walker. Thats something we had very little of and it was without Mitch, was with covid affected RJ, EF was a bit lost, and Randle was bent out of shape. It was about .500.
Way too much a short sample.
I can see with Brunson knicks not getting out to a great start if roles are changed. That being Randle is tentative and RJ has too has to find a pace that was not “Try to score all the time”. 47pts vs Miami was cool!

I like this team with our without Mitchell. Its tempting to just discard picks for instant gradification.

I do.

At his height, Kemba may have had quickness over Brunson but I feel like Brunson makes up for this with both strength and footwork that gives him a huge advantage in the mid-range and general shooting overall. On top of that, I think Brunson is a better passer, organizer, and ball caretaker.

Brunson will never be a scoring machine, that's just not his game, but he can certainly fill it up when he needs to as we saw against Utah.

Dude is a winner and brings all those intangibles with him. I'd take Brunson over healthy Kemba all day, every day.

which healthy Kemba are we all talking about? Like when he was the same age as Kemba, or the old version we had last year- he did score 44 points, no?

I'd take Healthy Kemba age 25/26 over Brunson - but that isn't our choice.

I don't think health was Kemba's issue last year- he just got old, worn down and couldn't go like he used to - happens to every athlete.

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Many teams are better also. But The notion that we should wait to see what brunson can do is not a bad idea. MY issue is DM is available. I read he is good for a 10 game improvement. 37 to 47. I have read also that the next step to 57 wins is far tougher.
But, lets figure what does Brunson effect?

No two players are the same but in my mind he won’t be as good as a healthy Kemba Walker. Thats something we had very little of and it was without Mitch, was with covid affected RJ, EF was a bit lost, and Randle was bent out of shape. It was about .500.
Way too much a short sample.
I can see with Brunson knicks not getting out to a great start if roles are changed. That being Randle is tentative and RJ has too has to find a pace that was not “Try to score all the time”. 47pts vs Miami was cool!

I like this team with our without Mitchell. Its tempting to just discard picks for instant gradification.

I do.

At his height, Kemba may have had quickness over Brunson but I feel like Brunson makes up for this with both strength and footwork that gives him a huge advantage in the mid-range and general shooting overall. On top of that, I think Brunson is a better passer, organizer, and ball caretaker.

Brunson will never be a scoring machine, that's just not his game, but he can certainly fill it up when he needs to as we saw against Utah.

Dude is a winner and brings all those intangibles with him. I'd take Brunson over healthy Kemba all day, every day.

which healthy Kemba are we all talking about? Like when he was the same age as Kemba, or the old version we had last year- he did score 44 points, no?

I'd take Healthy Kemba age 25/26 over Brunson - but that isn't our choice.

I don't think health was Kemba's issue last year- he just got old, worn down and couldn't go like he used to - happens to every athlete.

Kemba started out great until Thibs started playing his heavy minutes after Rose got hurt. He was never the same after that. He was real good when splitting time with Rose.

Know thy body. Kemba tried. was he delusional? Did he want to play starter minutes and thats how he sold himself?
MSG childhood dream is not easy to turn down. He tried.
Did he break down because of Thibs, or breakdown becuase the season wore on and so did he?
My point was not to lay blame or discuss who is better. They are very different type of players. But.......
We did have some some good moments with him and perhaps that was the vision he and Thibs saw in the collaboration.

Me and the family went on vacation to Georgia this summer. It was amazing. I love that country, the food is just out-of-this world. So yeah, I improved all around my waist. By like 15 pounds, I did.

ramtour420 wrote:Me and the family went on vacation to Georgia this summer. It was amazing. I love that country, the food is just out-of-this world. So yeah, I improved all around my waist. By like 15 pounds, I did.

Try harder. Joey Chestnut is going to just give his title away.

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Many teams are better also. But The notion that we should wait to see what brunson can do is not a bad idea. MY issue is DM is available. I read he is good for a 10 game improvement. 37 to 47. I have read also that the next step to 57 wins is far tougher.
But, lets figure what does Brunson effect?

No two players are the same but in my mind he won’t be as good as a healthy Kemba Walker. Thats something we had very little of and it was without Mitch, was with covid affected RJ, EF was a bit lost, and Randle was bent out of shape. It was about .500.
Way too much a short sample.
I can see with Brunson knicks not getting out to a great start if roles are changed. That being Randle is tentative and RJ has too has to find a pace that was not “Try to score all the time”. 47pts vs Miami was cool!

I like this team with our without Mitchell. Its tempting to just discard picks for instant gradification.

I do.

At his height, Kemba may have had quickness over Brunson but I feel like Brunson makes up for this with both strength and footwork that gives him a huge advantage in the mid-range and general shooting overall. On top of that, I think Brunson is a better passer, organizer, and ball caretaker.

Brunson will never be a scoring machine, that's just not his game, but he can certainly fill it up when he needs to as we saw against Utah.

Dude is a winner and brings all those intangibles with him. I'd take Brunson over healthy Kemba all day, every day.

which healthy Kemba are we all talking about? Like when he was the same age as Kemba, or the old version we had last year- he did score 44 points, no?

I'd take Healthy Kemba age 25/26 over Brunson - but that isn't our choice.

I don't think health was Kemba's issue last year- he just got old, worn down and couldn't go like he used to - happens to every athlete.

Prime, 25 yo Kemba. Good scoring PG, not my flavor for PG after that.

I am constantly surprised at how little PGs like Kyrie and Kemba averaged for assists per game.

Kemba's best year he averaged 6.1 apg and really was more like a 5+ assist guy with pretty high usage.

Kyrie's best year was 6.9 APG but really he is a 6 per game type PG, again with high usage.

Lots of flash and nice scoring, not so much on the assists side of things.

ramtour420 wrote:Me and the family went on vacation to Georgia this summer. It was amazing. I love that country, the food is just out-of-this world. So yeah, I improved all around my waist. By like 15 pounds, I did.

stay on the black sea? any particular town or you go to visit family?

ramtour420 wrote:Me and the family went on vacation to Georgia this summer. It was amazing. I love that country, the food is just out-of-this world. So yeah, I improved all around my waist. By like 15 pounds, I did.

So then you know….it’s a grill, not a BBQ

Rookie wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Me and the family went on vacation to Georgia this summer. It was amazing. I love that country, the food is just out-of-this world. So yeah, I improved all around my waist. By like 15 pounds, I did.

So then you know….it’s a grill, not a BBQ

You thinking Georgia, USA or the country on the black sea?

Nalod wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Me and the family went on vacation to Georgia this summer. It was amazing. I love that country, the food is just out-of-this world. So yeah, I improved all around my waist. By like 15 pounds, I did.

stay on the black sea? any particular town or you go to visit family?

Oh yes, we chose it because my wife's family is there, the western part, near Zugdidi. We have gone there multiple times already over the years. This time we even spent some time on the seashore. There is this tiny resort town called Ureki. It has one of a kind magnetic sand with healing properties not found anywhere else on the planet. Good stuff. Literally, since Georgia has now decriminalized pot. Food prices are a fraction of the cost comparing to US or even Russian prices.

Thats for sharing!
Dude, 15lbs? How long were you there??

Nalod wrote:Thats for sharing!
Dude, 15lbs? How long were you there??

And please describe the foods