Thank goodness we didn't trade for D Mitchell. I wouldn't have traded RJ for DM straight up, let alone all those picks and additional players.
Thank goodness we did not trade Grimes either. In two year’s time, Grimes will be a poor man’s Ray Allen/Klay Thompson for us. So glad we did not trade him.
well, we seemed to have been going along with discussions too long, but yea, end result is no deal, thank goodness.
Some very illogical aspects arising in the aftermath. Funny thing is how big a story is for a trade that WAS NOT consummated!
That said Jazz by many pundits seen as silly for getting picks that are less likely to be good vs knicks. Granted, the thing for Danny is he has to consider which team will succeed when those picks come in. HE choose clev but they are very much looking great for the next 3-5 years.
That vs. Knicks history. Which is an interesting point unto itself.
Also, That RJ would have been the second best player in the deal. That Jazz wanted an unprotected pick vs. him.
Lets not blast them totally as many knick fans seem to love the easy to tilt of open concept. “We’ll draft someon in the future, or another trade, or get a better player………” At some point decisons have to be made. And someone is accountable for them!!
How many of you want to replace Thibs “With someone better”. Or “lets find out if Obi is better than randle, of not, we’ll figure something out”. Really? That easy? “Well at least we found out”. Thats how we do it?
Danny can pile up all the picks and sit on that fortune but eventually you have to spend it.
Add Utah to Rockets and the ever present Presti Thunder to the tanks. Is Detroit still there? Most likely one succeeds and another team will take its place.
presti used the Seattle Tank to build with Durant and for the most part milked a great long career from it. At some point it has to work? Right?
I agree 1000% on this thread topic and good thread to have.
The Old FO of the past, would've pulled the trigger and got the entire fan base jumping for joy. Then a few years later we would say, that was the worse decision ever. It set us back even further.
Nobody knows if RJ or Grimes will be better than DM. What I do know is we have a group of young players who are developing so much chemistry, it's a joy to watch. I can't remember the last time we had a young team, that enjoys playing with each other, and still have a boat load of picks.
I've been hard on this FO at times, but I also have to appreciate what they are developed so far. Sure Thibs seems like a veteran coach, eventhough we have a young team. But if Thibs remembers how we looked towards the end of last year, and maybe with the non DM trade, which shows the FO has a lot of value in our young core. Maybe Thibs will adjust to his current roster and not over play Randle but increase Obi minutes and others.
I'm also glad we didn't pull the trigger. I'm not sure we would surround DM with the right team / players to succeed. The Cavs already have a solid team with DM, so they will be even better. Now lets see how this all plays out. Grimes, RJ, IQ, Obi should all take a step forward which will help add more wins than last year.
I believe we will surprise a lot of teams this year, as long as Thibs doesn't get in his own way and he's able to control vets like Randle while helping the youths grow as solid NBA contributors.
Ainge demanding RJ in the package was a show stopper and the FO still in good faith tried to do a deal
Philc1 wrote:Ainge demanding RJ in the package was a show stopper and the FO still in good faith tried to do a deal
RJ was offered with picks. Lets not be stupid about that reality. Ainge said no. Leon offered more picks. They could not agree.
We took RJ off the table. RJ would have been traded by Jazz from what I read. RJ chose to stay and resign. WE used Jazz as leverage? Maybe.
Did Knicks want both and RJ and DM? Likley.
Unknown: how good will RJ be? That will tell the tale of the tape the next few years.
Knicks tried to engage Jazz without RJ. DId Ainge get mad? Petty if he did and took his Cav's deal out of spite.
Knicks picks historically are one thing.
Maybe Ainge looked at knicks and figured "they get DM and fodder for another trade those picks will suck". If Cav's picks suck, at least he won't get made the fool over over media that will love to haunt him for losing a trade to NY.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:Ainge demanding RJ in the package was a show stopper and the FO still in good faith tried to do a deal
RJ was offered with picks. Lets not be stupid about that reality. Ainge said no. Leon offered more picks. They could not agree.
We took RJ off the table. RJ would have been traded by Jazz from what I read. RJ chose to stay and resign. WE used Jazz as leverage? Maybe.
Did Knicks want both and RJ and DM? Likley.
Unknown: how good will RJ be? That will tell the tale of the tape the next few years.
Knicks tried to engage Jazz without RJ. DId Ainge get mad? Petty if he did and took his Cav's deal out of spite.
Knicks picks historically are one thing.
Maybe Ainge looked at knicks and figured "they get DM and fodder for another trade those picks will suck". If Cav's picks suck, at least he won't get made the fool over over media that will love to haunt him for losing a trade to NY.
Still not sure what the “offer” of RJ really meant. It has been somewhat assumed that it was leaked that way so RJ agreed to take a team-friendly contract and no longer demand the max. Seems to have worked. For all of Woj’s reports, he’s also repped by CAA and will get info to pass along in a certain way that may be a bit deceiving when it comes to the Knicks.
Caseloads wrote:Thank goodness we didn't trade for D Mitchell. I wouldn't have traded RJ for DM straight up, let alone all those picks and additional players.
Problem with our base. Would not trade a third year player that has shown issues shooting for a three time All Star? We live to die with unrealistic expectations of our yoot.
Am I the only one NOT singing the praises of the front office for not caving? From what we are seeing, they offered the Jazz a massive package that was better than what the Cavs gave them… and the Jazz turned it down out of spite.
I’m definitely relieved though.
Allanfan20 wrote:Am I the only one NOT singing the praises of the front office for not caving? From what we are seeing, they offered the Jazz a massive package that was better than what the Cavs gave them… and the Jazz turned it down out of spite.I’m definitely relieved though.
The Cavs gave them more unprotected picks. (Already stated by many that is what Jazz valued most)
Can be argued by neutral voices that Sexton is as good or better than RJ and has more impact as a PG
Lauri better or as good as Obi or IQ? Knick fans don't think so. But they also thought every other youngster, we had, was an All Star.
Agbaji is a good prospect. Which was one more than Knicks and maybe more value than EF. Who was rumored to be included as well.
DM was a game changer. Guess we will see how it plays out.
Allanfan20 wrote:Am I the only one NOT singing the praises of the front office for not caving? From what we are seeing, they offered the Jazz a massive package that was better than what the Cavs gave them… and the Jazz turned it down out of spite.I’m definitely relieved though.
I'm relieved too. F(orget) Danny Ainge. Let him tank for the next 5 to 10 years in Utah.
HofstraBBall wrote:Caseloads wrote:Thank goodness we didn't trade for D Mitchell. I wouldn't have traded RJ for DM straight up, let alone all those picks and additional players.
Problem with our base. Would not trade a third year player that has shown issues shooting for a three time All Star? We live to die with unrealistic expectations of our yoot.
We finally resigned some of the guys we drafted so let's just see how it plays out. Next up are Obi, IQ, and Grimes. Maybe in a few years we can field an All draft picks team.
gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Caseloads wrote:Thank goodness we didn't trade for D Mitchell. I wouldn't have traded RJ for DM straight up, let alone all those picks and additional players.
Problem with our base. Would not trade a third year player that has shown issues shooting for a three time All Star? We live to die with unrealistic expectations of our yoot.
We finally resigned some of the guys we drafted so let's just see how it plays out. Next up are Obi, IQ, and Grimes. Maybe in a few years we can field an All draft picks team.
Of course Mitchell is the better player than RJ at this time. But it’s not beyond reason or imagination to think Barrett has the serious possibility of making the steps to be in the conversation. His defense is already way superior. So yeah let’s see.
Caseloads wrote:Thank goodness we didn't trade for D Mitchell. I wouldn't have traded RJ for DM straight up, let alone all those picks and additional players.
But what about the deal rumored to be offered early with RJ/Obi/Mitch and 3 unprotected picks?
Also our last offer RJ, Obi, Duece, 2 unprotected, 3 protected plus — moving Fournier for another pick for Jazz —— that’s not showing much restraint imo - that is a big overpay regardless what the Jazz wanted.
Remember when the CP trade got rejected because it made the Hornets too good to tank for AD?
HofstraBBall wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:Am I the only one NOT singing the praises of the front office for not caving? From what we are seeing, they offered the Jazz a massive package that was better than what the Cavs gave them… and the Jazz turned it down out of spite.I’m definitely relieved though.
The Cavs gave them more unprotected picks. (Already stated by many that is what Jazz valued most)
Can be argued by neutral voices that Sexton is as good or better than RJ and has more impact as a PG
Lauri better or as good as Obi or IQ? Knick fans don't think so. But they also thought every other youngster, we had, was an All Star.
Agbaji is a good prospect. Which was one more than Knicks and maybe more value than EF. Who was rumored to be included as well.
DM was a game changer. Guess we will see how it plays out.
Agbaji from Kansas is a very good prospect indeed.
Perhaps Knick fans lose their minds with Grimes fondness who have him pegged for near stardom already.
I hope it happens. Fact is he was a great pick given we tried to get Duarte via draft.
Be it as it may perhaps nobody likes being rejected and “Fuck Ainge”.
HofstraBBall wrote:Caseloads wrote:Thank goodness we didn't trade for D Mitchell. I wouldn't have traded RJ for DM straight up, let alone all those picks and additional players.
Problem with our base. Would not trade a third year player that has shown issues shooting for a three time All Star? We live to die with unrealistic expectations of our yoot.
It’s a team sport. The idea is to pair DM with RJ. Not trade RJ, assets and multiple first round picks for DM. Btw, Mitchell has gone as far in the playoffs as RJ - one and done
Philc1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Caseloads wrote:Thank goodness we didn't trade for D Mitchell. I wouldn't have traded RJ for DM straight up, let alone all those picks and additional players.
Problem with our base. Would not trade a third year player that has shown issues shooting for a three time All Star? We live to die with unrealistic expectations of our yoot.
It’s a team sport. The idea is to pair DM with RJ. Not trade RJ, assets and multiple first round picks for DM. Btw, Mitchell has gone as far in the playoffs as RJ - one and done
You just said: "its a team sport". So why do you point to players individual playoff appearances as if its not.
Your Daftness never fails to cease.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Caseloads wrote:Thank goodness we didn't trade for D Mitchell. I wouldn't have traded RJ for DM straight up, let alone all those picks and additional players.
Problem with our base. Would not trade a third year player that has shown issues shooting for a three time All Star? We live to die with unrealistic expectations of our yoot.
It’s a team sport. The idea is to pair DM with RJ. Not trade RJ, assets and multiple first round picks for DM. Btw, Mitchell has gone as far in the playoffs as RJ - one and done
You just said: "its a team sport". So why do you point to players individual playoff appearances as if its not.
Your Daftness never fails to cease.
No I was simply pointing out how the media acts like Donovan Mitchell is better than Michael Jordan yet he hasn’t even won a playoff series and he has been on good teams. I guess basic facts once again upset your snowflakiness
